post," dr. fauci wrote these words. engineering a potentially dangerous virus in a laboratory is a risk worth taking. he took that risk. he broke the rules put in place by the obama administration in 2014 to do it, he broke the new rules put in place by the trump administration in 2017 to do it. it is a massive scandal, and that's the reason despite this new piece of evidence that overall the white house does not want to engage in this, it shows we here in america, dr. fauci specifically, are the cause of the global pandemic. >> sandra: one would think with such a big report from our own department of energy, one would think this white house would have already spoken out on this. so, of course we'll be listening for that briefing. marc thiessen was on newsroom earlier this morning, steve, and he said he believes this should be the central question now. >> why is there no 9/11
through, then, yes, they will, i think, spread that word. in other cases, there are, you know, sometimes rumors that get spread around about the border, you know, who is able to be processed and who is able not. so, sometimes that influences people coming. from what i have talked -- from what i've heard from venezuelans who are in juarez, a lot of them do think that on december 21st, they will be able to come through and be processed. >> all right. obviously going to be a crucial next few days and weeks. thank you very much. i appreciate it. and thanks for sharing your images and your reporting with us. >> thanks. and, next, sam bankman-fried remains behind bars tonight. he is accused of engineering a crypto house of cards that cost investors many, monthly basis billions of dollars. and empty streets in china even after some covid restrictions are lifted. why are people choosing now to
he doesn't want to answer any questions on that from anyone who actually know what is they are talking about and can put these points to him and challenge him and also say to him, hang on a second, you say that you have dedicated your life to fighting disease and why would you ever do such a thing? in 2011 as you reported, i have many others on this network at least, he wrote an editorial for "the washington post" saying that engineering a potentially dangerous virus in the la bore tore is a, quote, risk worth taking. he said that would he still say that now? we need to ask him. of course, he doesn't want to be asked because he has a guilty conscience. >> jesse: that is true. you have been covering it very aggressively on your weekend show. and we really appreciate that. steve hilton, everybody, thank you. >> great to see you, jesse. thank you. will. >> jesse: kamala harris has been in charge of our immigration crisis for a few months now. how is that going? we know white house insiders
the lab? what was there and why? dr. redfield is exactly right. i would go further. it's not just many scientists doing it. there's one scientist in particular the world's leading advocate of gain of research. that is dr. fauci. you don't have to take my word for it in 2011, ten years ago, he wrote an op-ed defending this kind of research in "the washington post" when it was in its infancy. the words he use, dr. fauci in "the washington post" were that engineering a potentially dangerous virus in a laboratory is worth taking. it makes us prepare for potential future pandemics. would he still say it's a risk worth taking when we see what has potentially happened. >> martha: you know, raises the question, even if that is a good argument, right? you have labs in texas and north carolina. the only other two places where
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