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Waterboarding. >> the thing is with a terrorist, you have to take out their families. when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. >> he also called the families of terrorists not angels. joining me democratic senator gary peters, a member of the armed services committee and served in the u.s. navy reserves. senator, thank you for joining us. the president is enter conveniencing, breaking the chain of command here, what consequences does that have? >> well, i think its ver...