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thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. its a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges like many other countries. but i think to put us into a category of a failed state, its an exaggeration. ican give... but you think thats a conversation that south africans are having amongst themselves? well, it comes from pockets of the powerful thinkers in the country who project us as displayi...

features of the economy that is fluctuating at an international level, which has had an impact on our own economy, but also partly some of our own weaknesses in terms of managing the economy well. we are under recovery. and objectively, the covid—19 messed up a lot of countries. the ukraine/russia war in itself has shattered most economies in the world and it has brought a high level of cost of living and a number of challenges that have affected adversely the developing nations. so ...

but right now, south africa is in a big mess, with a protracted energy crisis, shocking levels of unemployment and inequality, and systemic corruption. my guest is the secretary general of the anc, fikile mbalula. is his party about to pay the price of failure? fikile mbalula, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. its a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges...

with a protracted energy crisis, shocking levels of unemployment and inequality and systemic corruption. my guest is the secretary general of the anc, fikile mbalula. is his party about to pay the price of failure? fikile mbalula, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. its a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges like many other countries. but i think to put ...

We know that 41 billion rand was looted from transnet, the main transport state—owned enterprise by state capture. this is not for discussion. the zondo commission has investigated and thats what it found. who established the zondo commission? its the anc. asa mea... you expect credit... you expect credit for that? ..as a measure of fighting corruption. i dont expect credit for that. im saying do not be economic with your projection of the past as though it was not dealt with. thats the proble...