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i know you have other duties for the network so we'll let you go. but with eappreciate -- we appreciate you being with us. jonathan swan, i'm sure you have more of the conversations than i do, but aides increasingly want you to one, give them credit for all the quote crazy stuff that doesn't happen. i think i have seen that in axios and other places, and two for the scripted moments which are sort of milestones that they are proud of getting him to hit. whether it's ultimately affirming the commitment to article 5, whether it's delivering a decision on afghan policy. and they want to sort of separate out judgment or responsibility from these wild, unhinged performances like last night. >> yes. it's doubly strange because you really have a white house at the senior level where if you take the family out of it, if you take jared and ivanka who obviously voted for their father in law and their father, if it was any other election they weren't related to him they would have voted for hillary
2015. there's no difference between the guy who walked out of trump tower in july 2015 or june, whenever it was, and the guy on stage now. the only difference is they're in office so these people have become used to it. they have become almost immune to the scandal. really what you hear is exhaustion often and, you know, they find -- a lot of them find it hard to muster fresh outrage. >> i find that they want -- they want to be singled out for praise. they really do, as anthony scaramucci said, feel like they're saving america from donald trump. i want to you about something i think was tweeted in the last couple of hours that perhaps something that triggered donald trump. we talk about triggers. and gateways here for donald trump. but something that might have triggered him was "the new york times" reporting about his cold war and the frosty relationship between donald trump and senate majority leader moitch mcconnel. do you have any insight into the relationship and whether the
reports fueled the rage we saw from the president last night? >> i don't think there was any causal relationship between anything that happened in the previous 24 hours and what he was like on stage. again, like people try and link all sorts of things to the way that donald trump behaved on stage last night, but it was not of a different order than what he's done in every other scene where he's been before a crowd like that. if you compare it to the speech he did a year before in phoenix there are different things. same outrage response. what i can confirm is that the relationship between donald trump and mitch mcconnell is truly appalling at this point. it really has reached a nadir. >> all right, let me bring you in on this and ask you about this -- i take jonathan swan's reporting to the bank. but i saw him pull out a piece of paper out of his jacket. i thought he came loaded for
bear for some score setting that wasn't the normal donald trump sort of in the round. and when he pulled that paper out, i thought, uh-oh. i leaned back and i got ready for the tirade. but i want to play for you -- so i want your thoughts on what you think his state of mind was when he went into this rally first. but then i want to play for you some of the sound that i think really underscores what jonathan alluded to which is this cold war that may be spilling out into the public with republican senators. just your thoughts about last night. >> jonathan's right that it was the same trump that we saw on the campaign trail, but there were certainly some moments that stood out from others, nicolle. to my mind, this was one of those moments when for example during the campaign trump felt that he was personally under siege or that he was struggling in the polls. you would see him ratchet up this language about there being a rigged election. about how, you know, he is under attack from his enemies. the media is out to get me. that directly correlated with how he was feeling personally at
the time about his status in the election. so i think there is probably also an emotional aspect to this because who among us can come up with a good political calculus explanation for what he did last night? there is none. rallying the base, he's not at the point in his presidency where he needs to rally the base. he's got to be passing legislation. >> right. >> and growing his base. the only conclusion that i can draw from that spectacle last night it fed some kind of inner need that he trump the man had to be surrounded with the adulation and support and cheers from his loving and adoring crowds. >> let's look at this -- his comments about some republican senators. >> and think -- think we were just one vote away from victory
after seven years of everybody proclaiming repeal and replace. one vote away. one -- one. one vote away. they all said, mr. president, your speech was so good last night, please, please, mr. president, don't mention any names. so i won't. i won't. and nobody wants me to talk about your other senator who's weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about him. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. >> heidi, the two senators are senator mccain who's fighting a valiant fight against brain cancer and senator jeff flake. that's the one i think he says
nobody knows who he is. he has a book on "the new york times" best seller list but never mind that. did he make that job of getting something passed easier or harder with the comments? >> i'm going to say, not strategic. we are going into the period here where all of the cards are stacked against him in terms of getting tax reform done. anybody who knows all about how congress works and the special interest groups who are coming out with their knives on tax reform know it's health care on steroids if they get to that point. but the most damning thing he did was throw in that bomb about a potential shutdown, threatening a shutdown. if you thought health care was peak dysfunction in congress, just wait. he'll be at odds with his party in a way we did not see with health care if he tries to force down a shut down over spending on the wall. there's no one who will give him a red cent for that. maybe a little bit if they want to try a compromise with democrats but he's not going to
get his wall funding because if they want a clean bill, they have to work with democrats. democrats like pelosi call the wall immoral. so he might have put us on a trajectory to another government shutdown. >> eli, we're talking about a shutdown with a congress in the same party. we're talking about a president who now i think has hurdled more insults at republican senators than democrats, at least in the last 14 days but you have told me time and time again as this white house functioning in parallel universes. explain. >> the schizophrenia we feel is from the parallel track from presidential trump, giving a speech ear afghanistan. and then what we saw the following night which is off the rails political theater. >> so off the rails that james clapper suggested he shouldn't have the nuclear codes. >> he's talking about unifying the country and then seconds later sowing division and then
the part that feels like it's actually coming from trump. the people who have been around him, look, you have to release the pressure, open up that valve. >> go to therapy, take a pill. >> that's what we're seeing. i think what concerns people who work in this administration, republicans on capitol hill, is that the pressure never seems to be fully released and you do see -- i mean, yes, jonathan is right. this president is doing the same shtick he has been doing over a year and you can tell he's backed into the corner. he's on an island and isolated and that's coming through in a lot of these comments here. he's had conversations with close friends, people inside the administration, his new chief of staff all urging him, look, we have to get beyond the base, we have to tone it down. the charlottesville thing was not good. he takes that advice in and then goes off script and does his own thing. i don't know what there is for a lot of the aides to do. and i don't know what the end of it is when he seems like he always sort of has to say what he needs to say to make himself feel better.
even though he's president of -- >> when you have an infant that's called self-soothing. joining by phone is former chief of staff for the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. thank you for jumping on the phone for us, i know you're far away. i had to get you on the record from james clapper's comments that kept me awake last night. after watching the president's performance last night he was concerned about this man having access to the nuclear codes. your thoughts? >> theater, nicolle. general clapper who served 3 2 years in the air force was a leader of -- a director of the defense intelligence agency and the national geospatial agency. he knows more about national security than almost walking the face of the earth and he said
that he does not believe the president is fit for office. that he cannot be trusted with the national command authority to launch nuclear weapons and we should just remind viewers, nicolle, in our system, only the president of the united states has the authority to launch nuclear weapons. and nobody -- not a single person can countermand that order. if the president gives the order around it can happen very rapidly, the president gives the order not the secretary of defense, not the combatant command of u.s. strategic command, nobody can say no. >> jeremy bash, this is not the first time we have heard someone publicly question donald trump's fitness to serve. it was less than a week ago that bob corker, republican senator and ally of this president, not an agitator, like the two senators he attacked last night. he questioned quote donald trump's competence and stability. getting right at this core issue that we're talking about. fitness to command the nation's military, fitness to possess those nuclear codes.
i wonder if in your circles, in defense and intelligence circles if this is a tip of the iceberg, the words that the two men are saying, do they possibly represent the deepest fears of a larger group of people in those circles? >> nicolle, i have heard these rumblings for months from senior intelligence officials both inside the agencies, as well as recently retired professionals. i have heard it from currently serving military officers. there is deep concern about the stability of the person who occupies the oval office. i should note on the nuclear issue, nicolle, in early august the president had a bizarre tweet in which he said i've ordered as my first order the upgrade and modernization of our nuclear forces. this is around the time of the locked and loaded tweet about north korea. and there is deep concern because what i'm told is that the president sort of directed in an off handed way the pentagon to massively increase the nation's nuclear arsenal.
and the pentagon has not done it because the pentagon does not understand what the rationale would be. many more nuclear weapons than we have operational war plans requirements for and so the president is trying to characterize the massive nuclear upgrade and the pentagon is scratching its head and saying we don't understand what the commander in chief is telling us to do. there's much more coming out about the nuclear piece about this and a big, big disconnect between the professional military and the president on the nuclear issue. >> thank you, jeremy bash. my thanks to jonathan swan, heidi and eli are sticking around. when we come back we'll ask our panel about that presidential temper tantrum and the questions it's raising about his fitness to serve from one of america's most respected national security voices. and relitigating charlottesville. the president wasted no time
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from here? let's bring in the panel. joining us is -- is it eli and me at the table. john heilemann. our friend donny deutsch, robert traynham and heidi is still with us. all right, donnie, you did some homework. >> i didn't know where your show was going today, but i watched last night and i was -- you try to analyze. trying to listen to heidi, listen to smart people like yourself, and i did some homework. there's nothing political about this. i need 40 seconds. how to determine if someone is a sociopath. the person -- it's a condition that prohibits people from adopting to the community. they're usually extremely charming and charismatic. they feel entitled to certain people, and things they believe their own beliefs are only it and they have trouble osuppressing anger and impatience or annoyance. they do bizarre and risky and
outrageous things. their professional liars. they make outlandish, untruthful statements and that i get comfort -- they get comfortable with their lying. they get bored easily and require constant stimulation. >> sounds like me. >> they're capable of experiencing guilt or shame, they're manipulative. when they try to dominate people to gain positions of leadership. they have a hard time dealing with criticism. >> now we have to go to break. >> no, i mean, you start -- i'm not being glib here. >> i know you're not. >> we're trying to analyze this rationally or the left brain and there is none. coming off of clapper and corker, i have to say what is wrong with this man? it's interesting so many of the traits of the sociopath, he's displaying. >> not one of us is capable of diagnosing him, but i have heard from people close to him that he feels trapped that all of the releases as you have been talking about are not -- from private life are not available to him. he feels like a caged animal. and that there is something
depressing to him about being scrutinized the way he is. that he's -- you know, again, these are friends. these are not people rooting against him, but they recognize -- i mean, they haven't diagnosed him as a sociopath, but they say the behavior is anything outside of normal. >> if you look at the people in the common vernacular, if you have the recurring self-destructive tendencies -- >> yeah, like your friend's jerky boyfriend. >> the way he -- in his case, i mean, the obvious problem he has with the truth is kind of again small -- the things he did last night in reading the edited versions of the charlottesville responses. what he tells untruths, lying to people on the camera, either by
omission or comission. the reverie of telling the stories of being on center stage of the debate stage, back when he was free, like a free range trump, roaming around the country having rally after rally. that was a mode he enjoyed being in. back when he won, people speculated on on the notion when he won, he was not looking at the constriction -- they all go crazy in the maximum security prison that is the white house but he's lived a free range life and now the scrutiny is high. the responsibilities are extraordinary. the job is not a fun job. it's -- it brings out all of his -- i understand -- all of his worst character flaws. >> but do they add up to what james clapper described last
night which is fundamental lack of fitness to serve? >> i'm not going to rule on that question, but serious people whether it's bob corker or others in private, many democrats and certainly lots of people in the national security and intelligence community are asking that question on an hourly basis. is he just in some fundamental way emotionally, psychologically, emotionally, not up to this job? >> robert traynham, he's a republican president. probably a stain on the republican party till the end of time on questions of race for all of the divisions he's sown in the last 14 days. but let me ask you about this question that james clapper posed last night saying that he doesn't trust this man with the nuclear codes. there is no example in history of a national -- and i worked for a president who carried out controversial policies when its came to foreign policy, but no one ever questioned -- they
questioned the wisdom of his foreign policy but never his fitness to serve. never heard this before. i want your thoughts on clapper's comments following corker's assessment that donald trump lacks the competence and stability for the job he has and james clapper's announcement last night that after what he witnessed this man should not be in control of the nuclear codes. >> it's chilling. it's frightening. it's a head scratcher. it's a head scratcher for me because these are good people. a lot of good people. a lot of them probably are not racists and they voted for donald trump last november but they obviously felt that he was the only one that could perhaps maybe calm some of their fears. so my question is specifically to them, what do you see in him? you know, take the declarative statements out of it for a second. take the comments about i'm going to bring coal jobs back and whatever and whatever. what do you see in him when its comes to being a father or a moral figure? do you talk to your daughter and say look at the camera or television screen, i want you to
be like him, i want you to marry someone like him. so it's really really interesting to me how people are doubling down and saying that this person is fit for office. i'm not even going into the mental aspect of it because i'm not a psychologist, but this president refuses to undertake, the self-destructive spectacle that he does on a daily basis whether it's on twitter or whether it's in front of a crowd. it is so sad and so un-american and so unpresidential that i just have to ask the question to all americans out there, what do you see that i don't see because what i see is something that's embarrassing. not only to the republican party, but to the whole entire country. >> all right. when we come back we're simply hitting pause but donald trump stands by his men. sheriff arpaio and jeffrey lord. one of them accused of terrorizing the citizens of phoenix and the other fired for tweeting a nazi salute and
blaming the media for dividing america. how is that for an alternate reality? we'll show you what donald trump said about the media he can't stop watching.
terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. this is me speaking. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. that's me speaking on saturday. we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> we caught you. you left out the many sides part which was what got you in all that trouble, mr. president. donnie, it's not funny. i mean, seriously, but here it is again. i guess back to your point he's making it about yourself. a woman died, heather heyer died, she was on the side of angels, they were the bad guys. he talked about many sides. he thinks if he keeps at it, if he keeps pulling the crumpled papers out of to suit pocket and
attacking the media in the back of the room doing their jobs maybe he'll convince someone. >> i want to go back to another explanation other than him being a sociopath. i was in -- i want to bring up the russian probe because this is -- think about this. that is in his head 24/7. he knows what he's done. and if he knows that, he thinks his days are numbered. i was a block from trump tower when he came back last week and he can't come home again. it was so morose this was his town. he has lost the old donald trump. it must have been devastating for him to pull up and be booed like a criminal out of new york whereas to the point he's saying to himself the only thing i have left are these 20, 30% for my next life. for my television network, for my website. for my this. he can't go home again. i think that maybe some of this madness if it's not madness is just an evil calculation of his next life.
and because it just -- you say to yourself, there is no next life. you can't go back to where you were and that's why he keeps doubling, tripling, quadrupling on the racism. >> the politics of the white identity politics and the -- lynn fabric wrote that he says he makes white feel like a minority. that's what's been doing in the last week. nobody likes to hear, you know, that the president -- i mean the president is saying these things an everybody is astounded he can give the papal blessing to the pkkk and then he says, oh, no, they're bad. i mean, it's all over the map but the fact is he's -- we're in this place that his voters and people they see the media hyperventilating about this. it's somehow elitist to tell the people that he's racist -- >> i mean, help me out here. we're not telling him anything. we're simply showing them when he tries to reshape history it's
all on tape. >> yes. for a man who is as media savvy as he is, he's a tv producer, part of what was brilliant about him as a politician in 2016 was that he understood the stage. he understood how things looked. for someone who understands media as well as he does it's amazing the blind spot how the things live on in the archive forever. he doesn't care on some level. he lies promiscuously and with impunity. he has been taught over and over again, even though people call him on the lies all the time that he pays no real price with the only people he cares about which is the core. the base, the people that matter to him. i just think on some level there's like -- like in some parts of the world there are these deep diving holes. like -- >> blue holes. >> his craw is like that. donald trump has a craw and when he gets something stuck in the craw it's in there really deep. he can't get it out. on this issue he's never going to let go of the charlottesville thing. he'll be taking the papers out
and reading flawed, deceptive, lying versions of that until 2020. he could be reading those things in three years from now. we can see him reading the things to call us the fake media media. >> which tells you what? he's mad man. >> heidi, let me ask you how you cover someone who sort of renders -- really the worst thing you can say about someone is to call them a racist and the second worst thing you can say about someone is calling them a liar. how do you cover a president who's crossed both transoms? >> it's hard for the reporters who had people shout at them. i know they have had water bottles thrown at them. i had to be personally escorted off of a debate because we had a bunch of hostile protesters behind us trying to interrupt the -- you know, the discussion there. so i think it's probably hard for the reporters who are there. but at the same time, they know
like john says that trump is most comfortable when he's producing his own reality show. we all knew after the election that once he no longer had hillary clinton as his opponent he was going to try and make us into his opponent and every time he gets into political troubled waters, that he will keep -- he'll go back to that. he'll keep coming back to the media beating up on the media. he knows it's an effective tool at least with his base. but at the same time, it is personal because he himself was unusual candidate in just how connected to the media he is and how much he lives off of the highs of being covered and watching coverage of himself. nicolle, i remember being in a greenroom, i was covering hillary clinton but i was listening to a colleague. i won't say who it was, but this person was on the phone kind of having an interesting discussion. when he got off, i realized he was on the phone with trump.
i have covered many campaigns i have never seen that happen before where the candidate starts to call -- dialing up reporters so as much -- >> this was john heilemann, they were going to get all the scoop. in the commercial break we're being forced to take, we're simply hitting pause and we'll come back and pick this all up. don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪
i've been taking the stairs lately. you win, big guy. sorry, 'scuse me! oh, he looks so much more real on tv. yeah... over 75 years of savings and service. get your rate quote today. but the very dishonest media, those people right up there with all the cameras -- the failing new york times which is so bad. "the washington post" which i call a lobbying tool for amazon, okay? cnn which is so bad and so pathetic and their ratings are going down. they have little george stephanopoulos talking to nikki haley. little george. the only people giving a platform to these hate groups is the media itself and the fake news. for the most part, honestly,
these are really, really dishonest people and they're bad people. and i really think they don't like our country. i really believe that. >> robert traynham, it's mashed together, it's startling and almost cartoonish. but to accuse the journalists in this country who when america goes to war every war we ever had in this history of this country there are journalists embedded, they have been the ones that chronicled the sacrifices made by young men and women. journalists that work at the white house actually work in the white house building, they put in the same long hours as the white house staff. i just have never seen anything like it from a president who frankly when the white house press corps travels to cover the president he's responsible for their safety. >> it's the only profession as you know, nicolle, that is expressly covered and protected in the constitution. but let's put this in context. here we have ten missing soldiers with the uss john mccain here at sea. here we have the situation in
north korea. here we have vladimir putin lurking around. you know, this is what the president's talking about? this is what he's thinking about? you know this is top of mind extrem brainous thinking and it's really chilling that our president of the united states is spending time talking about this when you would think that his heart and his mind would be thinking about the middle east. and about how to stabilize the situation over in -- in terms of the relationship with russia and china and so forth. it's so small thinking and so petty and it's not even kindergarten. this is prekindergarten. this is toddler-like thinking and childish like talk. and then the question i have, nicolle, for the rest of the american people is, what does melania trump say to her husband at nighttime, what does ivanka or jared say? you would think they would say, you know, dad, you know, donald, i know you want to be loved. i know you want to go down as the greatest president. this is not the way to do it. if you want to go down as the
greatest president, focus on infrastructure. focus on health care. focus on the middle east. don't play to our worst fears. play to our best hopes. and it's just unbelievable that we're having this conversation in the context of who our president of the united states is right now. >> eli, you're a white house reporter, you cover this president. what -- even in the back of the rallies, what do you think? >> well, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance from those inside the administration who say, you know, he didn't do this. you know, it's fine. when you're at the rallies honestly, yes, i understand the fact that some journalists worry about their safety. even not at the rallies. there are more journalists thinking about their safety for the first time on any assignment they covered because we're not war correspondents and don't really contemplate that. but i think the thing that i think about most of all is not
for my own personal safety, but sort of what happens to us as a country when you have a president on that platform telling people that the media are people who don't really love this country. that is -- >> just like muslims don't love this country and mexicans, that's what a dictator does. he points to people just like he points -- those people behind the camera who by the way are cameramen, hard working, they're the reason for your problems. the mexicans, the islamists, those people. that is what josef stalin did and what adolf hitler did. that's the autocrat playbook is. >> if you look at around the world and look at second and third world countries the first thing they do is delegitimize the press. it's broader in some cases that you have the people going after the other. but the specific thing to the press it's something that authoritarians do and most of us who have been not been war correspondents and we don't go to trump rallies.
like the words he used about charlottesville are going to -- we have seen one person end up dead. more are going to get hurt and killed and it's going to happen at a trump rally. like last night, someone is going to turn around and beat a reporter. when that happens it will be a year and a half of trump talking this way and he's been effectively whipping up this frenzy. not delegitimizing the press and it will be on trump. >> do you think he understands that? >> very quickly to john's point, then the question is what does the congress do? where do republicans stand up and god bless jeff flake and others who have already -- and senator corker who have already came out and talked about this. but where are the rest of the republicans on capitol hill that will say, enough is enough. this is not about the party. this is not about left versus right. this is about right versus wrong. >> all right. we have to sneak in one more break. when we come back, president trump's not so subtle hint that
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then the president said he'd be just fine. and then he heepd praise on jeffrey lord who was fired from cnn for tweeting about hitler. >> the unity rally. yes, who does he single out for praise a high who gets fired for giving a nazi salute. the court said was racist. so there's the white identity politics again. and yes, you're right. when you talk to senior administration officials you hear them say you think that was crazy, you should have heard some other things that we got him not to do. and you do have to step back and say, okay, great, but after that rally, what matters? if you can't stop that, why should you get credit for stopping another tweet or something else? >> that's not a dog whistle. that's like 500 air horns going off at once. >> you on your show last week i followed you saying that the
very good people like gary cohn and steve mnuchin and dean that powell who stand next to him, how do they -- i understand the generals. you can't leave him. of course, he could blowup the world, but how do these continue people continue to rationalize it because there is none. i keep challenging those people. i don't understand it. >> listen, i asked the question when the three magazine covers came out, i asked the question when i saw the donald trump return to the many sides argument and i think that i hear what you hear, that you have no idea about all the crazy bleep we kill and that their argument, i'm not defending it, but their argument is things would be so much worse if we weren't there. >> maybe they need to bottom out a little bit. >> this is not the bottom -- >> the things that need to happen that have to happen, it's -- >> not bottomed out yet? >> no, and you know that. that's the tragic part. >> where is the bottom? >> i mean, we've already seen things in the administration that are as -- i mean, i don't
know. i wouldn't even want to speculate because it will put ideas into their head. >> one of our inflexion points, you just said if the reporter ends up dead, donald trump would have blood on their ends, further racial violence. >> things could get worse in a million ways and certainly we know from reporting that there are white nationalists groups who are planning morale liz and demonstrations around america. those things are going to happen. nothing bad happened in boston, but those things are going to happen and if they get uglyier and more violent and more people end up dead, yes, it will be on donald trump's head. >> i was going to say, john is exactly right. did you see richard spencer's tweet? we all know he's a prominent white narmist and he said trump has not nor will he condemn the alt-right movement. so this is really the end of an experiment in a way, nicolle, that we've had for the past six months thinking that you could surround trump with the right people and that they would get
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Quote-crazy-stuff-that-doesn-tJonathan-swanAidesAmericaConversationsNetworkDutiesFreappreciateOneCommitmentTwoPlaces>> with, that let's bring in our lead off panel, jonathan allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc, amna nawaz, i'll anchor on cbs news hour and -- and former federal prosecutor, renato mariotto, who's also a legal affairs columnist for politico magazine. renato, we expect trump to turn himself into georgia authorities sometime late next week. what is that going to look like? then what happens after that? >> well, it's going to look a little different than it has in some of these other cases. the feds made some concessions, there wasn't a mugshot, for example. there wasn't a lot of the usual booking questions that you might expect. i think the reason given was that they knew who he was.
Renato-mariottoLeadAmna-nawazSenior-national-politicsPanelCbs-news-hourJonathan-allenNbcEverything-donald-trumpGeorgiaAuthoritiesAffairsone of the most important parts of that pledge is that the eventual nominee will have to support of all of the folks on that debate stage. and by default, this person will not run as an independent. donald trump is now explicitly signaling that hey, if he doesn't like how things go his way in the gop, he's going to carve out his own laid. in addition to again all of the media spotlight. this is just a win, win, win for donald trump. if it does end up being an interview with tucker carlson, and even bigger win for just that conservative base of media. >> carlos you know what the debate prep looks like for these things. you know there has been an asterisk on all of these republican candidates bait props. okay, if on the off chance, 0. 001 chance that donald trump chose on, this is what we do. otherwise, we go with this plan. there's still reworking there
FolksAllPersonNomineeOneDebate-stagePledgePartsDefaultIndependentEverything-donald-trumpWaynews that trump is aiming for an interview with none other than tucker carlson. as a way of counter programming the fox news debate. as of now, nothing is formally set. back with us tonight, victoria defrancesco, the dean of the school of public service at the university of arkansas. and former florida republican, congressman carlos curbelo. victoria, for weeks now, we've been asking, will he, won't he. i haven't had a single person who said yes he's going to show up at this debate. ivan had a single person who said yes it i think it's a good idea for him to show up at this debate. but now that we're in the moment, where we know definitively he is not showing up, not only is he not going to show up, but he's going to counter program, what does that tell you about where this republican field finds itself? >> it finds itself with donald trump in the limelight, alicia. the fact that he definitively did decide not to go to the first debate just sets him apart, not just in terms of him being able to control his airtime, but alicia, remember, they are asking the candidates who are going to go on that debate stage to sign a pledge.
WayRepublicanAmericaNoneNothingVictoria-defrancescoCarlos-curbeloInterviewFloridaCounterSchoolTucker-carlsonthe other big problem that desantis has, even if donald trump falls apart, donald trump has two big goals. with this republican primary. number one is to win. it he wants to be the nominee. number two is to make sure that donald trump -- to make sure rhonda sentence is not the nominee. if donald trump does get out of this race for any reason, which i don't anticipate, certainly not anytime soon, he is going to keep that priority of making sure ron desantis doesn't advance. he considers ron desantis to be a traitor. he considers him to be loyal. desantis has a big problem. he really has to get out of the shadow of donald trump if he wants to have a shot at reviving his campaign. >> thus victoria defrancesco soto, carlos curbelo, as always, thank you both. coming up, many people in maui escaped the devastating wildfires with barely the clothes on their back. we'll talk to one of the helpers on the ground when the 11th hour continues.
Everything-donald-trumpItRepublicanProblemPrimaryNumberNumber-oneNomineeGoalsSentenceDesantis-hasRhondaeconomic data. they're going to serve as each other's early warning systems when it comes to supply chain disruptions, and the like. they will better coordinate on long term plans for military exercises, and this is really president biden squarely in his legal house. right on the foreign policy front at a time of international crisis. everyone has hailed his efforts to rally. all the nato allies in response to russia's active aggression and active war in ukraine. the pivot to asia, that's definitely u.s. administrations have tried to make hasn't really happened yet. it's a bit of a foreign policy goal. this is the biden administration's push to try to make that happen. >> that brings us back also to his original gambit for running for president, challenges abroad, challenges at home. a candidate who is able to take over on day one. john allen, amna nawaz, renato mariotto, thank you so much for getting us started. coming up, it looks like donald trump has decided not to shop at the first republican debate. we are going to discuss what that means for the front runner, and the rest of the 2024 field with carlos curbelo, and victoria defrancesco. later, president biden heads to maui on monday. where over 100 people have died from devastating wildfires. we are going to talk to the red cross about what they have seen on the ground, and what people
PresidentForeign-policyTermEveryoneOtherPlansDataWarningHouseEffortsLikeSupply-chain-disruptionswe've reached the end of another week of high profile and historic legal troubles for former president, donald trump. he now faces 91 charges across four indictments. the latest in georgia, where he has yet to turn himself in. law enforcement there is planning for trump to surrender no earlier than thursday of next week. that's according to three sources familiar with the plan, they stress, nothing's official just yet. trump and the 18 codefendants in fani willis's case have exactly one week to voluntary surrender in fulton county. earlier today, georgia republican governor, brian kemp, spoke a lot about what he thought the georgia case might go to trial. >> in my opinion, this trial, despite what they're thinking for anybody else, it is not going to happen before the election. >> that comment poses trump's team is trying to push back the federal election in two nearly three years from. now today, we also learned that kenneth chesebro, the trump ally who allegedly thought up the fake electors scheme is with codefendants in georgia appears to have been on the capitol grounds on january 6th. that's according to publicly available video, and his former
Everything-donald-trumpTrumpPlanPresidentIndictmentsChargesLatestNothingSourcesOfficialGeorgiaPlanningwhether or not they can stay in the race. whether or not donald trump would consider one of them to be his running mate. donald trump won't be there, but in this republican primary, he's going to be the most important topic, and the dominant topic of the night. >> victoria, to be even more specific, you have a memo on the debate. allies of ron desantis laying out a strategy for the florida governor to defend donald trump from chris christie. here is what christie said about that earlier today. >> this campaign of his has gone from up here to down here. because people are reallybennine hell he stands for. if what he stands for is defending donald trump, then just drop out of the race and endorsed him. look, the only way to beat someone is to beat them. if he thinks he's going to get on the stage and defend donald trump on wednesday night, then he should do donald trump a favor, and do a party favor. come to tallahassee, endorsed
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