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Senators on ballot. a lot of those internal machinations are whats driving this. i think its going to be another day at least until we know what theyre going to work out. >> yeah, yeah. hey, perry, looking at one of your recent articles, "three groups that define the government shutdown," can you break that down? >> obviously the democrats are -- president obama, the senate democrats have a strong view. they want to not only -- they want to keep obama care as it is. they want to open the governm...

>> perry, heres what senator reid said about meeting with senator mcconnell. heres that. >> obama care is no longer their number one issue. their number one issue is to do anything they can to divert attention from the fools they made of themselves on obama care. so were taking nothing off the table. >> so if obama care is no longer the number one issue, what do republicans want? >> my sense is the republicans dont really know what they want. what they want more than anything else is they dont w...

I think its been very difficult to work with him. >> so if this is what were hearing from these lawmakers today, does that sound like a deal is going to be reached before thursday? >> well, no offense to either of those republicans, but they are not really the deal makers here. harry reid is a very key player here. it is important to point out, you know, everything perry said is completely right. people dont want to lose this battle. the republicans have already gotten something out of it. the a...

Talk yesterday about republican senator susan collins plan. she offered one to reopen the government with a spending bill for six month, also to lift the debt ceiling through january. senate democratic leaders rejected that. what happened there? >> one thing is that senate democrats are weary that the president is going to cut a deal with republicans to, as perry says, avoid default on thursday. thats not going to be something they like. so they just didnt have the votes there. its kind of rare ...

Health care program from the government already f. its called medicare. you know in our politics right now, young people, minorities, tend to be democrats. republicans tend to be older voters. that explains why the republicans in part are so comfortable opposing this program. their base is not that excited about it. many in their base wont benefit from it while a lot of democrat voters will in particular. >> you know, congresswoman, as perry was just talking, wisconsin as you mentioned is also o...

The medicaid benefits to the poorest americans, which, of course, are african-americans and women in particular, are going to be rolled out despite any government shutdown. >> you know, i want to go back to this point about those -- what happens to people in those states where they may -- their governor, perhaps, did not take the money. perry, you actually wrote about this this week. im going to quote you. you wrote "a block of about two dozen republican governors, mostly in the west and south, ...