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Have to resist this urge to say nutty things. in the past when republicans get into this situation, everyone wants to out do themselves or out do their fellow republicans and they say nuttier and nuttier things and it turns what could be a political winner into a political loser because people start to feel sorry for the president or the democrats are going after him. >> and prominent conservatives, jim, have come out and said things like that. charles krauthammer said lets drop the watergate ni...

Government efficient. he wants to make government work. he wants to bring credibility back into government. listen to his commencement speech at ohio state two weeks ago. it was about this issue of trying to get rid of cynicism in government. and this is the most cynical way that government can get used, the idea of politicizing the irs. so i think that theyve under reacted to this the whole time. >> chuck, if he had come out and said im getting rifd the acting commissioner and x, y, z, eight ot...

How can you do that if you have people in the irs targeting conservative groups? it has literally brought us down into the trenches. >> if this is going to affect his presidency i think that is exactly how. it drags the president and the white house. >> exactly. >> more into partisanship and, unfortunately, even further into a position where the country becomes ungovernable. i mean, this could change the second term of this presidency because you could have people out there in the country who ar...

Investigating itself. so get this over with. get this irs scandal behind us. get rid of the people who were involved. get them out. and move on. >> and do it in such a way that it makes it possible to pass some sort of legislation. i mean, lets hope this doesnt derail immigration reform. because it has the prospect of doing that, to get anything, to get growth, get the kind of investment we need in the country. the two sides at some point have decided they have to work together and this just giv...

We get hysterical in the media. come election time november 2014 voters are going to care what they always care about. their pocketbooks. >> okay. >> that simple. i also think vote aerts thrs at point are so anesthetized. you know, benghazi. maybe the democrats are trying to shift the message. wow. thats what politicians do. we get very hysterical. to the average person out there trying to live their lives none of this stuff sticks. >> i disagree. i think one of them will. michael crowley, if on...

Fix that needs to be done. >> a learning moment. >> it doesnt happen anymore. >> okay. well, we have howard dean still, right? oh, here you are. lets turn his mike up. thatll help, too. howard, final thoughts from howard dean before you go. >> my final thoughts are that its not as drastic as chuck says. >> what? >> there will be hearings and there will be hearings. there will be hearings on all kinds of things. there are hearings now in benghazi and they have no traction. as i said before the ir...

It was late yesterday evening dealing with the irs scandal. i felt good about it because he was doing the thing that he doesnt like to do which was get out in front of something and be emphatic and forceful and say its going to get fixed. its going to get done and then walked right out the door. i still have some questions but overall point of ew, willie? >> well, in one scandals that are plaguing the white house. he release the e-mails on benghazi, accepted the resignation of the acting head of...

Of something that americans really cherish. i think that, you know, benghazi, i think people find a little confusing. as donnie noted the polls suggest people are not that riled up about it. frankly im not sure if you ask the average american whether they think its more important on the ap case, you know, a counterterror investigation versus the right to the press, im not sure how it breaks down. it may not be so good for the press. >> that one only sticks with us. mark barnicle do you agree its...

Independence we have here in this country and it is shocking to americans that this would come to light in the way that it has. >> there was an effort to bring the power of the federal government to bear on those the administration disagreed with. in the middle of a heated national election. it actually could be, could be criminal. >> my question isnt about whos going to resign. my question is who is going to jail over this scandal? >> all right. at a house judiciary hearing attorney general eri...

Good morning. the ap leak case, benghazi, the irs investigation as well. you say health care actually could still be more damaging for the president. what do you mean by that? >> well, you think about 2010, the last election where republicans had success, it was because of health care and it was because independents in particular felt the government was doing too much, was being too intrusive. what brings all of these scandals together is this feeling of incompetence in the federal government in...