you know, the whack-o birds, as john mccain calls them, this debate is a lot more equal than it s ever been. i don t think there s anyone more discredited when it comes to talking about foreign policy these days than dick cheney. and, you know, you can see rand paul being somewhat polite about that but making exactly that case. when asked, you know, about what dick cheney has to say, he basically says, well, he got us into this mess. it s not something new he s saying. let s listen to rand paul back in 2009. he s been very consistent on this issue of dick cheney and his credibility. take a listen. there s a great youtube of dick cheney in 1995 defending bush number one. he goes on for about five minutes. he s being interviewed by the american enterprise institute. he says it would be a disaster, it would be vastly expensive, it would be a civil war, we d have no exit strategy. he goes on and on for five minutes, dick cheney, saying it would be a bad idea and that s why the first bu
we need to when you leer looking at maliki and the way he governs, that s where the west can also have a serious influence in terms of the way he s being so divisive, and we know he s been devicive. i think there just needs to be more support in terms of the way that governance is executed within iraq, and i think that s another area the west can zone in on. to pick um on your point, exit strategies is the name of the game here. and what the west needs to do is it really needs to understand what an exit strategy is before it goes into a certain place. libya is a classic example at the moment. the muslim brotherhood and al qaeda, they have training camps now in various parts of libya, because effectively it s a governless state. and that s what we ve got to avoid doing is imposing this western democratic template on areas that want that aren t ready for it. i m also understanding that we can t take out security institutions and replace them and expect them to be at the level of maturi
the alternative is to accept that iran will come marching in and dominate iraq and syria. we need a new strategy that is not benign neglect. you know what else is wrong is the fact that we went to the war in iraq in the first place. can you finally admit it s a mistake? no, it wasn t a mistake. i think a world without saddam hussein is better. yes, but there is better ways to do that. adam smith of washington state and rick santorum, he is the author of blue collar conservatives what would a president santorum be doing today to change the situation and avoid some of the mistakes that newt pointed to 11 years ago. i say the problems that we re confronting right now is the fact that we exited without an exit strategy, no stable government in place, without a continuing what would you do today?
the bottom of the problem? is it going to help us find out what s really going on? the answer i keep getting is no. the real issue here is the president is the one who should be held accountable. how long can secretary shinseki survive? what happens next? the widening v.a. scandal, joining us, gloria borger and drew griffin, who first broke the v.a. story. gloria, what s the latest? how much longer can shinseki survive? i don t think much longer. you heard the white house official say he s on thin ice, on probation. john boehner would rather blame president obama than blame general shinseki. i think what everyone is looking for is an exit strategy. shinseki is going to deliver his own evaluations of the problem to the president in the very near future. if i had to guess, they re looking for some way for him to
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