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campaign possible and a big reason -- don't let anybody forget this, john kerry voted for the war in iraq that became the very first person to switch his position on the war in iraq and as soon as it suited his political interests and ran a presidential campaign against george w. bush running against the war he voted for. it does underscore the fact that you can agree with somebody on all of the policy positions but somebody who is that internally corrupt, you simply cannot trust them to do anything so it's not a surprise to me he's spent the last whatever it is, eight years of his public life running around lying to everybody trying to take over the world with his bizarre climate agenda. >> a huge part of the pre-new deal is this electric vehicle agenda. cuisines this week 20000
campaign possible and a big reason -- don't let anybody forget this, john kerry voted for the war in iraq that became the very first person to switch his position on the war in iraq and as soon as it suited his political interests and ran a presidential campaign against george w. bush running against the war he voted for. it does underscore the fact that you can agree with somebody on all of the policy positions but somebody who is that internally corrupt, you simply cannot trust them to do anything so it's not a surprise to me he's spent the last whatever it is, eight years of his public life running around lying to everybody trying to take over the world with his bizarre climate agenda. >> a huge part of the pre-new deal is this electric vehicle agenda. cuisines this week 20000
campaign possible and a big reason -- don't let anybody forget this, john kerry voted for the war in iraq that became the very first person to switch his position on the war in iraq and as soon as it suited his political interests and ran a presidential campaign against george w. bush running against the war he voted for. it does underscore the fact that you can agree with somebody on all of the policy positions but somebody who is that internally corrupt, you simply cannot trust them to do anything so it's not a surprise to me he's spent the last whatever it is, eight years of his public life running around lying to everybody trying to take over the world with his bizarre climate agenda. >> a huge part of the pre-new deal is this electric vehicle agenda. cuisines this week 20000
and that's based on the case nixon versus fitzgerald. and essentially the president's lawyers are trying to reason by analogy saying that if the president's immune from damage actions arising out of his official acts he should also be immune from criminal prosecutions. and you know, the analogy only works if you think those two things are analogous. of course other people will say that criminal actions are more serious, the interests at stake that society has are greater and that there should be no immunity. and that's the struggle that played out today in court. >> but it was also not even just -- obviously we talked about the civil when it came to president nixon, the idea of the criminal prosecution here and what the extent of that is. but the question that was raise bid john sauer, this idea of george w. bush and the i intelligence that was provided to congress before the iraq war, is that something he could be prosecuted for, obama and drone strikes, raising that question? does what trump's attorney
in court today donald trump's attorney warned that prosecuting a former president would open what they warned could turn into a pandora's box. you heard the question, a hypothetical one that the judge posed about a president ordering seal team 6 to assassinate a political opponent. but trump's attorney also presented some hypotheticals of his own. >> to authorize the prosecution of a president for his official acts would open a pandora's box from which this nation may never recover. could george w. bush be prosecuted for obstruction of an official proceeding for allegedly giving false information to congress to induce the nation to go to war in iraq under false pretenses? could president obama be potentially charged with murder
warned could turn into a pandora's box. you heard the question, the hypothetical one that the judge posed about a president ordering seal team six to assassinate a political opponent. -- to authorize the prosecution of a president for an official act would open a pandora's box of which this nation may never recover. could george w. bush be prosecuted for obstruction of official -- for allegedly giving false information to congress to go to war in iraq for false pretenses? could president obama be charged for murder for authorizing drone strikes targeting u.s. citizens located abroad? here to crack open that pandora's box, examining the examples that the judges
allegedly giving false information to congress to induce the nation to go to war in iraq under false pretenses? could president obama be potentially charged with murder for allegedly authorizing drone strikes targeting u.s. citizens located abroad? could the president -- >> can i explore sort of the implications of which you are arguing? i understand your position to be that president is immune from criminal prosecution of any official act that he takes as president even if that action is taken for unlawful or unconstitutional purpose. is that correct? >> if the president is impeached by the united states senate, you know, a proceeding that reflects widespread political consensus, that would authorize prosecution. so with that exception. >> so seems to me that there are a lot of things that might not go through that process because it is quite a dcumbersome praz
the behavior and if the house brings impeachment articles and moment to conviction and trial and if i am the president of the united states, i have to bide the time, and that is part of the argument, but there is a moment when the counsel, i mean, the special counsel from doj spoke about this issue, but i want to go back to a second for the lawyer of trump, because in the sound bite here, he talks about the idea that the notion for a criminal immunity not existing is a shocking holding. they are standing tall and saying, look, there has to be some level of immunity, because we are talking about president biden and other people. listen to this. >> to authorize the prosecution of a president for his official acts would open a pandora's box from which this nation may never recover. could george w. bush be prosecuted for obstruction of a proceeding for giving false information to congress to induce the nation to go to war
induce the nation to go to war in iraq under false pretenses? could president obama be charged for murder for authorizing drone strikes abroad. >> that backfired for two reasons. there have not been prosecutions of presidents in our 234-year history, because we have never seen conduct like this, where a president tries to fundamentally subvert our democratic republic. the other issues he raised are just not comparable. but he also invited, then, a parade of hypotheticals from judge florence pan that asked him are you saying, for example, if a president sent out seal team 6 -- >> we have that, too.
does, which is that congress has to convict him first, then the entire rest of the immunity argument falls apart at what they've said means nothing. >> looking at past presidential action, take a look at this. >> to authorize the prosecution of a president for his official acts would open a pandora's box from which this nation may [inaudible] could george w. bush be prosecuted for the destruction of an official proceeding, for allegedly giving false information to congress, to induce the nation to go to war in iraq under false pretenses? could president obama be potentially charged with murder for allegedly authorizing drone strikes targeting u.s. citizens located abroad? >> paula, apples to apples here? apples to karma flourished? >> [laughter] this is an issue that has to be disposed of. what are the limits here? the thing i think most lawyers would see with that list is