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Nobody knew about -- these men and women were just -- with their chin. of all of us they were the most prepared and most courageous. you kind of follow this trajectory all the way to where we are now. its a little baffling in one sense. we never had an opportunity to really talk about shots and mandates and stuff like that. they to their credit, these men and women just wanted to save people whenever and however they could. >> neil: you know, its funny, i was thinking in my own case because ever...