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The other thing shadowing all of this is everyone heard all of this before. if youre a voter in ohio or pennsylvania or wisconsin, you know all of this about the president and the presidents response will be exactly the same. these people have an ax to grind. theyre just mad that i fired them, that theyre gone now and they have a grudge and were back in the same eichel we have been in. >> remember the anonymous "the new york times" op-ed? more of the same. these things dont have much of an impac...

What does it tell you about how that may be eroding as this plays out but also in the legislature? >> my fordham students and i were having a conversation about this on thursday. some of these senators are worried about primary challengers so they want to keep the president close because they know their primary challenger might be more in line with the president, but i think the genius part about the democrats and nancy pelosi forcing this issue right now is exactly what you said, getting these ...

Heard. >> everybody is paying attention to the word cash, but i think "all the stuff" is just as important. michael cohen says "all the stuff." that seems interesting. >> right, there was a lot of stuff. secrets they wanted to try to keep secret and pay people off. this was happening before the campaign at a critical juncture. the president and his team said he didnt know about this, but the tape says otherwise. so his fixer, someone who is so sick fan tick on that tape talking about what a grea...