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Surgeons saying young people are coming in thinking i get this operation, the tommy john, i have have two ligaments instead of one makes my armstronger. so they are more likely to get it. we dont know and i dont think surgeons would say they are doing unnecessary surgery, but there is no question the numbers have gone up. is it just pitch count? i remember there used to be a concern of throwing curveballs. >> i think some of the emphasis on the curveball because it can be this weird arm motion, ...

100% that there was actually fists hitting faces. >> but you did see the guy on the top in the black hoody pretty much just throwing down blows in mma style? >> meaning arm motion going down towards the person on the bottom. >> youre not going to tell the jury you saw flesh hit face if you dont see them? >> i didnt see it. >> the bottom line, you needed to clarify it after that to mange sure everybody understood you did not hear or see fists, the guy on the top hitting the guy on the bottom. >> ...

Striking? were they going like this? >> i could not hear that, no. >> did you hear this? >> no. >> could you tell whether the person on top was trying to hold the person on the bottom? >> objection. >> overruled. >> your testimony was the person on the top was holding count person on the bottom? >> i said that would have been possible. there was arm motion going down multiple times. >> you cant say one way or the other. >> i cant 100% say, no. bill: that is an attorney for the state. this is the...

Style. >> meaning arm motion going down towards the person on the bottom, correct. >> youre not going to tell the jury here today you saw fist hit flesh on face if you didnt actually see it, right? >> i wouldnt tell them that anyways because i didnt see it. >> great, thanks very much. nothing further. >> the thing mr. omara, the bottom line you needed to clarify it after that to make sure that everybody understood that you did not hear or see fists, the guy on top hitting the guy on the bottom. ...