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Gotten from probably anybody else. i think what trump wants -- lets put aside what he may not want out, and thats a big favor. i think that trump wants to -- hes a contrarian. he wants to do -- if the whole world is going this way, im going that way. >> is that it, or is he paying back a debt? >> i think hes -- oh, i dont think donald trump does anything that he does not get something out of. >> right. >> so its more than just his contrarian nature. thats where im starting. he has got to see a t...