difficult, that's all that matters at the end of the day. i mean, so much of what we do should be motived by caring about our legacy. and he just said to me, i don't care about my legacy. >> rudy has that fatalism about him. he thinks it doesn't matter. and whether it's one year from now where he's remembered but 10,000 years from now he won't be, what difference does it make in the scheme of the universe? i had my day in the sun, and i had my place in the arena. >> what i did for new york, donald trump will do for america. [dramatic music] - ladies and gentlemen, america's mayor, rudy giuliani. - today, i am officially announcing my withdrawal as a candidate for president of the united states. - very difficult night for rudy giuliani.
and he just said to me-- he said, "i don't care about my legacy." - rudy has that fatalism about him. he thinks that it doesn't matter, and that whether it's one year from now where he's remembered, but 10,000 years from now he won't be, what difference does it make in the scheme of the universe? "i had my day in the sun and i had my place in the arena." - what i did for new york, donald trump will do for america! [cheers and applause] [dramatic music] - ladies and gentlemen, america's mayor, rudy giuliani. - today, i am officially announcing my withdrawal as a candidate for president of the united states. - very difficult night for rudy giuliani.
we're still behind him, but he is down 14 points from where he was. when you think about it, guys, that means that two-thirds of the republicans polled in new hampshire are against donald trump. the incumbent president who, you know, for practical purposes, he is the incumbent in the republican party, two-thirds are against him. so i do not share the skepticism and the fatalism that everybody else does. i believe his conduct can -- >> if i can interrupt here -- >> -- will make a difference. >> if i can interrupt here to say, and pass it to reverend al, i've seen quite a few polls, rev and al, that had governor christie in double digits in new hampshire. it is early, but there are a lot of people that have been running for president for quite some time that have been more high profile than governor christie before his launch that are still at 2% or 3%. so we still have a race in new hampshire. i think he's right, i think we still have a race -- and you
russian population who, as you very wisely said kind of sat and waited to happen because, you know, throwing your weight behind one or the other person before it's really clear what's going to happen is very dangerous, saw that putin is the more sure bet, and that even this guy who has an independent army couldn't take him out. so even if you don't like putin, even if you don't want to give your life for him, you're kind of stuck with him and that sense of russian fatalism, which is not to be discounted kind of rules the day where you're stuck with this guy. nobody can take him out. >> david? >> well, one of the things i've learned in sort of 30 years of watching russia is never argue with julia, and i do think that it is somewhat more complicated than it appears. i would say acknowledging everything that she has said, you also have the reality that
it's not surprising that these terrible twins of our human condition march through history. what does it say to us? it's no good in sibley having a council of despair and fatalism saying crazy people out there who really will think that bill gates is inserting microchips into your arm, along with a vaccine — those of us in the camp of knowledge have to do a much betterjob of persuasion, and not simply laugh and sit here and chuckle at people who are unfortunately dangerously diluted in this way. i suppose writing books like this is, i hope, a form of persuasion. to have friends who are vaccine resistors? mi; persuasion. to have friends who are vaccine resistors?— vaccine resistors? my family and i crew u- vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in — vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in australia, _ vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in australia, so _ vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in australia, so i - vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in australia, so i have - vaccine resistors? my family and i grew up in australia, so i have a l grew up in australia, so i have a lot of people in australia who were quite happy to have it turn into fortress australia, and were happy not to be vaccine vaccinated. so
themselves to the idea that nothing is going to change, nothing can be changed, about the relationship over publican voters to trump. so, that fatalism, and that fear as well, the fear that actually, stepping up the trump might jeopardize their own prospects, means that when these opportunities arise to break the spell a little bit, other republicans don't take them. other republican leaders don't take them. and the thing that makes a lot of sense to me, intuitively, if in a community of people other people you trust aren't sounding the alarm about someone else, it's not going to be the case of you yourself are gonna sounded alarms either. people tend to react to smoke. they tend to assume this fire. if no one around you in the community, the leaders that you trust, act as if they're smoke, then why would you? i think that's more or less the dynamic that keeps happening with trump, his voters, and other republican leaders.
stick in part because there is this cycle happening where other republican politicians seem to have resigned themselves to the idea that nothing is going to change, nothing can be changed, about the relationship over publican voters to trump. so, that fatalism, and that fear as well, the fear that actually, stepping up the trump might jeopardize their own prospects, means that when these opportunities arise to break the spell a little bit, other republicans don't take them. other republican leaders don't take them. and the thing that makes a lot of sense to me, intuitively, if in a community of people other people you trust aren't sounding the alarm about someone else, it's not going to be the case of you yourself are gonna sounded alarms either. people tend to react to smoke. they tend to assume this fire. if no one around you in the community, the leaders that you trust, act as if they're smoke, then why would you? i think that's more or less the dynamic that keeps happening with trump, his voters, and other republican leaders. >> kim, sorry, do you agree with that can seat that this is
shaheen mcintyre dinner to be able to do that. >> congressman ro khanna, thank you so much. hope you come back soon. we have so many things we want to talk to you about, but so little time. only four hours a day. please come back. >> thank you. >> all right. let's bring in staff writer for "the atlantic." frank, first of all, how are you holding up with arsenal collapsing? i was explaining to lemire and willie, cheering for the celtics and the knicks, it's the hope that killing arsenal fans, just as it'll be the hope that kills knicks fans. >> you have to carry with yourself a healthy dose of fatalism, because you know when you're playing against a nation state, the odds are stacked against you. you know, your friends up in man city, you know, they got all this petro money behind them. i don't know. it's hard for us to compete, us poor, north london boys. >> yeah, yeah. so many people feel sorry for