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And just have a no will be had to bring you the latest news but right now across the u. K. Island. Hello and welcome across not where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle 80 years ago this month the 2nd world war in europe began 6 years later the scourge of german fascism was defeated however the meaning of the start of the war remains hotly contested this history is intensely political. Crosslinking revisionism im joined by my guest show for you. Roberts he is americas professor of histor...

A koso massive lead pull him out of us right you know sect wild will 5060000000 people died the reshaped completely the 20th century well was still living been a consequences and shout to of such mobile so you know if it is one of the most important of all historical and averse it its political civil so always bade its always be political its always been a matter of not just historical contestation about watch you happen to or is responsible but you know political blind been light now these part...

History and you decide what you you have im not saying polls are not entitled to their own interpretation of the modern talk ribbentrop that my own personal view is that given the situation which existed in august 19th 39 a pact between so and germany was probably something that many people in moscow would have decided maint sense to them yeah they failed to forge an alliance with the west they tried they failed to fortunately once with poland they tried a pact which limited as they would see it...

A matter of just historical contestation about watch you happened who was responsible political blind been light now is particularly controversial at the present moment the actually front of us of course because whats going on in in relations between the Russian Federation and the west because of the unique ukrainian crisis because the propaganda war thats going on between the Russian Federation west and the anniversary of the war particular events associate to it has become part of that politic...

Poles want to seem to have it just one way go ahead alex well the poles have their own interpretation of the of the model of soft ribbentrop the russians there is theres also what people like Jeffrey Roberts do which is that you go through history and you decide what you you have im not saying holds a nazi titles to their own interpretation of the modern talk ribbentrop that my own personal view is that given the situation which existed in all his 939 a pact between so and germany was probably s...

Alliance with the west they tried they failed to fortune the lines with poland they tried a pact which limited as they would seen it german expansion eastward would have made sense to there the problem is not that there are these divergent opinions about this event it is that in the west increasingly not talking about the historic story and talking about medium and talking about politics. We are not only hearing only one view of the maldives of ribbentrop pact each is becoming increasingly the a...

The outcome of the 2nd world war but we had this. In warsaw the russians were not invited the germans were why is that still controversial well the idea around of us for the. Boys of course a massive amount of us were you know 2nd world war 5060000000 people died. Reshaped completely the 20th century well were still living with the consequences of shadow so you know it is one of the most important of all historical but its political still its always been its always been political its always been...

Crossed allegan to be curious he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate jeffrey let me go to you 1st your center of visiting moscow and you are in the steamed historian of the 2nd world war and of the soviet union why is it contested the beginnings of the 2nd world war because most the time its about the outcome of the 2nd world war but we had to...

And under what circumstances it will happen. And if we talk about a large number of missile strikes , it could be the same side shadow and skal, or is it possible that if germany still gave taurus to ukraine, it could be taurus and what is it and what are these onetime strikes about . Well, where is it about the fact that in order for the bridge to cease to be an online function, especially the railway thread, because 90 of everything is messed with by the railway, it all needs to be destroyed, ...

Today 4 all this is a Large Russian port for both military purposes and oil there well lets start with the fact that saudi arabia is a very interesting decision, because they were the beneficiaries of everything that russia brought them, but a lot has changed since then , literally. Last year, oil was refined and ran. Now its time for war, as in its time, its beautiful. Sorry for the burden. They are all diplomacy on you, as we saw with the minsk ones. Although of course they soak up what they s...