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Premeditation. they were very, when they were polled and asked individually, if that was their verdict, they were quick and strong in their responses, yes, your honor, it was. so i think that a lot of folks in jodi ariass position fancied themselves as master manipulators. im not sure she has manipulated anyone here, jon. jon: well they could give her life in prison without the possibility of parole. they dont -- that is what they will be called back to decide, life or death. do you see that, i ...