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Journey. why do that right now? i understand we have an immigration debate going on in this country. why use these kileverage? >> well, i certainly dont want anybody to use these kids as leverage. i saw a headline that breathlessly screamed as much and i objected to that forcefully. let me say this. these children are -- >> in fairness by the way it was a white house official who told the "wall street journal" -- the thinking is to force people to the table. >> by the way i want that person to s...