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Its absolutely unheard of in hollywood and entertainment. alec did say theres occasions he hands off to the first a.d., the armorer should be there and be there to arrange the blocking, show him where to point the gun, make sure theres no people where that is, remind him to keep finger off the trigger until hes ready to fire. and why were there dummy rounds in the gun in blocking rehearsal? should have been empty or a rubber gun. >> in the interview, not just from alec but in the handling of the...

Layers are mind-boggling. when he said he pulled the hammer back but didnt pull the trigger, well, how did the hammer come forward? design of the gun, 150-year-old design, a modern reproduction. was it entirely unreliable gun, you pull the hammer back and it just goes forward? id like to get a look at that. claim of plinking, no credence has been given to it since it came out. he said the armorer was not in the room when rehearsing the scene. thats most alarming thing to me. as armorer, we stay ...

>> and a chain of custody is what i meant, in the chain of custody, did you see a problem with that? >> yeah. why was the -- in the affidavit i read, it said the first a.d. handed the gun to baldwin on the set. why was that? why was the first a.d. acting as armorer. the armorer reports she was not allowed on the set because of too many bodies. should never be allowed to happen. armorer should be last to hand it off to actor and be there all times when its in action. >> dutch, you and sharon, sti...

>> well, first of all, this story just seems to get more and more bizarre as it unfolds, the layers are mind-boggling. when he said he pulled the hammer back but didnt pull the trigger, well, how did the hammer come forward? design of the gun, 150-year-old design, a modern reproduction. was it entirely unreliable gun, you pull the hammer back and it just goes forward? id like to get a look at that. claim of plinking, no credence has been given to it since it came out. said the armorer was not in...

Filmmaking is the armorer has custody of the gun and ammunition at all times. >> and chain of custody is what i meant, in the chain of custody, did you see a problem with that? >> yeah. why was the -- in the affidavit i read, said the first a.d. handed the gun to baldwin on the set. why was that? why was the first a.d. acting as armorer. the armor reports she was not allowed on the set because of too many bodies. should never be allowed to happen. armorer should be last to hand it off to actor a...

Great to examine the dummy rounds and blanks, but wont take the gun from the armorer and hand it to the actor. its absolutely unheard of in hollywood and entertainment. alec did say theres occasions he hands off to the first a.d., the armorer should be there and be there to arrange the blocking, show him where to point the gun, make sure theres no people where that is, remind him to keep finger off the trigger until hes ready to fire. and why were there dummy rounds in the gun in blocking rehear...

Dp, director, key grip sometimes, definitely healthy actors. theyre going to all check this weapon and make sure its safe. depending on your relationship you have with the crew, it could be one, it could be all, but its at least two. thats just before it even gets handed off. >> sean: it just seems like too many instances on the set. we dont have a lot of time but what of the legal -- what are the legal challenges that everybody there might face and alec baldwin himself. i dont think it purposel...

Manslaughter charge. you know, brian, let me ask you, what is the proper handling of a firearm on a set like this and how did of live round get in that gun? >> there are so many levels of safety protocols before it even gets to an actor. you start off with the weapon has been cleared before its even put into the safe, which is usually on the props truck. its moved from the safe to the armorers car depending on how many guns being used that day. its cleared again. its been moved onto the set, gen...

Producers he requested at minimum two tech tigss to assist him if he took the job, and the producer said they wanted one person to serve as assistant prop master and armorer. and he says that there were massive red flags raised in his conversations. he turned down the job on that. does that raise red flags for you? >> usually you have a minimum of two armorers in the uk. why? one stays to look after all the live weapons and the equipment, and then on set working directly with the actor and first...

You know, brian, let me ask you what is the proper handling of a firearm on a set like this and how did of live round get in that gun? >> there are so many levels of safety protocols before it even gets to an actor. you start off with the weapon has been cleared before its even put into the safe, which is usually on the props truck. its moved from the safe to the armorers car depending on how many guns being used that day. its cleared again. its been moved onto the set generally locked in a cart...