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That can live off the land. hes so successful in the debates. and one thing that killed him out here, right, is there havent been many debates for while. >> and thats why perry is doing well. perry is best at retail campaigning, that one-on-one contact -- >> and advertising. >> right. more people are showing up to see rick perry, hes finally dedicating some time here, and hes not debating. >> let me ask you about the role of iowa. iowa made jimmy carter. in many ways i would argue it made presid...

Debates. and one thing that killed him out here, right, is there havent been many debates for while. >> and thats why perry is doing well. perry is best at retail campaigning, that one-on-one contact -- >> advertising. >> right. more people are showing up to see rick perry, hes finally dedicating some time here, and hes not debating. >> let me ask you about the bigger role of iowa. iowa made jimmy carter. hit made president obama. it established him the way that bush won the presidency, to the e...