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Because the whistleblower report refers to a fairly large number of people. you certainly get the sense that it is more than a dozen people referenced in one way, not necessarily by name. is it your sense that a lot of those people rthing about what their role is now? >> well, i think what has gone on is that the folks in washington who are concerned about president trump have seen a lot of failures. they saw the mueller report. they saw how it fell flat. they saw how it didnt catch on. they saw...

We havent seen earlier in the trump administration. >> is it your sense that people involved in this story are now kind of actively thinking about their role and thinking about whether they need to take some kind of position in relation to this whistleblower report? because the whistleblower report refers to a fairly large number of people. you certainly get the sense that it is more than a dozen people referenced in one way, not necessarily by name. is it your sense that a lot of those people r...

This document, this transcript was stored in a secure place, just like many other calls are in the normal course of business because incredible leaks surrounding this president. all three of the pillars are going to fall flat. >> okay. i mean, first of all, i dont think -- i mean, a code word level server is really not the place for noncode word level things. >> it is in this white house, anderson, when things leak. >> when the president hires the best people. i dont know why things are leaking ...

Isnt it? >> it is. every day something else the amount of information thats coming out -- the dam is breaking. its not good for the president. the way republicans have been reacting they have been arguing process throwing out conspiracy theories. flat out lying in some cases. theyre not speaking to the substance of whats going on. the bottom line the president of the united states tried to get help from a foreign government to benefit his reelection campaign. period. he with held aid in order to...

President intimidated? you dont have to take anybody elses word but the ukrainian president. he said he felt no intestimoimi and he didnt know the money was being held in abeyance and, three, that this was somehow covered up. this was not covered up. it was stored in a secure place just like many other calls are in the normal course of business because of incredible leaks surrounding this president. all three of the pillars are going to fall flat. >> i mean, first of all, i dont think -- i mean,...

Amount of information thats coming out -- the dam is breaking. its not good for the president. the way republicans have been reacting they have been arguing process throwing out conspiracy theories. flat out lying in some cases. theyre not speaking to the substance of whats going on. the bottom line the president of the united states tried to get help from a foreign government to benefit his reelection campaign. period. he with held aid in order to do it. now we see theres a pattern developing. ...

Sunday with "state of the union" in advance of me. he said there are three things theyre going to take the president down on, one, withholding the money from the ukraine, holding it hostage. two, intimidating the ukrainian president and, three, trying to cover it up. all three of those pillars of their inquiry fall flat. because in the first instance, the money was not being held hostage. the money was legitimately being held up while debate was being held about the proper contribution to ukrain...

I worked for arlen specter, one of the more serious republicans. i thought it was an overreach then and i think its an overreach now. listening to hakeem jeffries, who was on sunday with "state of the union" in advance of me. he said there are three things theyre going to take the president down on, one, withholding the money from the u cranes, holding it hostage, two, intimidating the ukrainian president and, three, trying to cover it up. all three of those pillars of their inquiry fall flat. i...

House that been caught flat footed and surprised by these alleges. unlike the mueller report they were quite ready for. trump and the attorney general and others had their spin ready and to some extent that prevailed in the news cycles in those early days. i think that really hurt the democrats who were kind of flat footed. this time democrats are owning the news cycles. the white house doesnt seem to know what to do. the people they are putting out there, whether they are putting rudy giuliani ...

Americas interests, which to me as betrayal, some our founders -- >> martha: i hear you, compliment, but are you putting the cart before the horse just a tiny bit here? why not just take a deep breath and wait until you can see the phone call and youre absolutely right, the president said that he did discuss the biden investigation we are going to talk to the white house about that and ask them about that in just a moment, but just this -- do you have any hesitation given the gravity of this and...