politically, from that statement, this white house thinks and we'll see whether they're right or not, they can weather the political storm from a government shutdown by saying we're not negotiating until schumer backs down. they think inside the white house from my conversations with senior officials there, that chuck schumer overplayed his hand on daca and they are going to push back here and say we gave you six years of an extension, a long time for children's health insurance, a program, chip as it's known that, democrats said they had to have. the president gave on that. said he's willing to work on daca. the bottom line is, this white house is taking a very hard line in these negotiations. >> shannon: sounds like it from that statement. all right, ed henry live on the beat for us, thank you. the president foreshadowing a shutdown a short while ago, tweeting, quote, it's not looking good. white house correspondent kevin cork joins us with where the white house goes next. >> you're right. it was interesting to watch the
the delay, some of the taxes, more specifically the medical device tax, the cadillac tax. they don't oppose anything in the bill. but they are opposing the bill. >> they're posing the bill. i literally, moments ago before coming out here, just wanted to see what's happening upstairs. i've been on the phone like most of my colleagues throughout the night checking in with our sources trying to figure out where we go from here. the president won't make his way down to march a la go, he hopes to get this pushed over the finish line. the president, his chief of staff john kelly continued to make phone calls in the hopes that they can craft a deal to keep the government funded eventually. right now as you point out, it is shutdown time. >> shannon: thank you, update us as you hear more, kevin. the blame game gints in earnest. fox news political anchor bret
baier is back with us. it's officially happened. that rest of the conversation is going to start. >> bret: i feel like lindsey graham, shuttling between studios. but if you look at the floor, put that up, it's interesting to watch, these groups meeting, lindsay graham still holding court with democrats. now you have a group of republicans, pat too maniy there, you see -- toomey, barasso. on the other side, the democrats meeting, laying out i think the details have what they're trying to do. mitch mcconnell looks like he's getting ready to give a speech, maybe they're coming to the end of this. this bill has been open for some time. talk about the blame game. just to give you a flavor of where this may have gone wrong for democrats, the associated press, the story that is on the line now, says senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown. that's the headline of the a.p. story, senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown.
that gives you a sense that the blame game, how ever it is portrayed, is going to be a little tougher for democrats. they had that bill in front of them to not do what we are now. >> shannon: if this administration is trying to be careful, they control house senate and white house to make this as painless as they can for the public, that's going to factor in as well. people aren't going to be showing up and being denied services in important places. social security checks go out, all of those important things continue to happen. they aren't fog to put the public face on it like we saw in 2013 when it was a more adversarial government. >> bret: they will go go out of their way. and while they have the majority in the senate, they'll say they don't control it. they don't have the 60 votes. you may hear the president weigh in on that. earlier tonight, sarah sanders tweeted democrats can't shut down the booming trump economy. are they now so desperate they'll shut down the government instead.
>> bret: with a number of democrats also. >> shannon: that's not a pair you see often the together on any substantive policy thing. they're trying to get something done or they would have called it a night and left. this vote is technically still open. we see the wandering between the two groups. clearly there are bipartisan conversations going on, on the floor of the senate right now, as they know, officially entered shut down territory, 11 mince ago. it looks like the negotiation continues. bsh you can see elizabeth warren saying something in an animated way. which you can schumer sitting down and the senators gathered around him. on the other side, you have lindsay graham talking to senator cornyn and others, senator grass lee, lamar alexander trying to peek in. going from group to group to try to get some, iron out some
details that perhaps allow some negotiation to go forward. if the bill is changed substantially, it has to go back to the howls. it could be -- to the house. could be approved by a voice vote but there's a potential problem if it's changed significantly over there. i think that they're trying to get to a continuing resolution with a possible promise that they're going on move on to immigration in this short period of time. >> shannon: interesting, on the house side they were trying to get their measure passed and they say, quote, we've done the work, it's up to the senate now. that was one of the things that many in the freedom caucus said they would push for. they wanted a guarantee for their votes, that there would be a legislative vehicle, maybe the goodlatte bill, they wanted that, they wanted to it get to a vote. there was a trade-off there. so that happened enter-party. may have to happen across the aisle as well. we see a lot of folks, now, they look congenial still at this
point, still smiles on faces, people look a little bit weary. maybe that's one of the tradeoffs, we vote on this tonight but we get to a daca measure within a certain number of days. we have a debate over how long this will be. even if they agree to something, one of the proposals five days, the other in a two week range, we will be doing this again. bret, we will be sitting here again doing this not too long from now. seems like the american public is getting distaste for this and governing from crisis to crisis. >> bret: you're looking on the left side of the screen, senator cotton with folded arms, and senator cornyn talking, two of the conservatives on immigration that would be pushing back against something that gave up a lot of the headway. senator kennedy from louisiana, my favorite sound bite. >> shannon: he is a quotable guy, every week. >> bret: this sums it up. i'd like to go back to america but i'm stuck in washington. and i think that's the feeling for a lot of people at home, this place isn't working. no matter what party you
support, it's not working. now they're gathered around mitch mcconnell, which you can schumer next to mitch mcconnell, we could be getting to a point where both sides are ironing out details. this is how the sausage is made, they're writing legislation on the senate floor to come up with the specifics on this continuing resolution. we are 14 minutes and 12 seconds into one year since the inauguration. this kay, on january 20 on this day. we are in a place where technically there is a partial shutdown of the u.s. government. >> shannon: it is, again, phases in slowly, there is discretion in a lot of agencies. some don't have any at all. as you speak of senator kennedy, republican from louisiana, also said this, he said our country was founded by geniuses but it's being run by idiots. >> bret: yeah. >> shannon: he's very quotable, you hear the frustration in his
voice. he's not a long-time washington guy. he's here and sees it's not, both sides of the aisle would admit, it's not functioning according to order. >> bret: this is my last senator kennedy, be yourself, unless you suck. i think they're going to get to something here. it seems like they're breaking up. we may be getting to a conclusion. when they get to the lecterns there, and once you start hearing the audio from the senate floor, you know that they're moving forward. remember, this vote failed. they did not get the 60 votes on the original house bill, that was a continuing resolution for four months. included six years of renewal for the children's health insurance policy. we may be getting close to an alternative at this moment. >> shannon: all right, bret, stick around, we'll see what
they come up with. looks like ak tiflt may be moving forward to a statement on the senate floor. analysis continues, now, on fox news channel and cable and satellite. more your local news on this fox station. i'm shannon bream in washington. >> shannon: we're back with coverage. the senate gives a thumbs down to the house spending bill or getting to a vote on the content. house republican congress doug collins responds, he's going to join us live in the coverage of the shutdown showdown, it is official, from washington. we'll take you back to the senate. my name is jeff sheldon, and i'm the founder of ugmonk. before shipstation it was crazy. it's great when you see a hundred orders come in, a hundred orders come in, but then you realize i've got a hundred orders i have to ship out. shipstation streamlined that wh the order data, the weights of , everything is seamlessly put into shipstation, so when we print the shipping ll everything's pretty much done. it's so much easier so now, we're ready, bring on t.
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perhaps across the is a some of our democratic colleagues feel proud of themselves. but what has their filibuster accomplished? what has it accomplished? answer is simple, their very own government shutdown. shutdown effects on the american people will come as no surprise. all week as we've stood on the floor and begged our colleagues to come to their senses, senate republicans have described exactly, exactly what this will mean for america's men and women in uniform, shutting down the government means delayed pay. the many thousands of civilian employees who support their misses its means furloughs. and for the families of fallen heros it may well mean a freeze on century vooifor death benefits -- survivor death
benefits. veterans who rely on our care, it means threatening their access to treatment. for so many americans struggling with opiod addiction, the same is true. thanks to the democratic leader decision to filibuster an extension of the state children's health insurance program, low income families will slip closer to losing health coverage for their kids. and many states this is an emergency. i'm having trouble understanding which one of these outcomes my democratic colleagues could possibly be proud of. which one of them? i think our friends on the other side took some bad advice. really bad advice. i would hate to be trying to explain this myself. ignore the governors, including seven democrats who wrote
congress begging us, begging us to extend chip for 9 million children. ignore the needs of millions of americans would rely on the federal government for important services. held all of us hostage, all of it hostage over the completely unrelated issue of illegal immigration. republicans in the senate have gone all we can to continue the normal operations of the federal government. and secure certainty for the s-chip kids. we can pass it tonight and go to the president for signature. these kids would be okay. well we're going to continue to do all we can, we'll vote again so the american people know who
stands for them. and when our friends across the aisle remember who it is they actually represent we'll be ready to come together in a bipartisan discussion that will be necessary to clean up all of this mess. we've all been having private conversations on the floor, almost everybody on both sides doesn't understand how we ended up here. because most of the stuff we agree on. only one reason we ended up here, the shoe horning of illegal immigration into this debate. now, having said that, there is a lot of sympathy in this body for doing something about the daca kids. it's not like nobody is interested in that. we've been talking about it for three months. but the one reason we are where
we are is because we couldn't close out any of these other component parts because our friends on the other side said you got to deal with this issue. this issue is the key to getting defense spending. this issue is the key to getting help for s-chip kids. on and on and on. i think most of american people believe that shutting down the government over this issue which doesn't even ripen until march, is irresponsible. and i've just listed all of the people who are going to be adversely impacted by this action. so we're going to keep on voting and the government may be heading into shutdown but the senate isn't shutting down. and we're open to talk. and to resolve this.
i don't think it makes the institution look very responsible. american people should expect better from us than this. >> shannon: you have been listening to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. we thought, as bret and i were talking about the groups that were having conversations and negotiating looked like maybe they were coming to something. we thought when he came to the lectern there, that maybe -- oh, let's listen in, we have minority leader chuck schumer speaking. >> continuing resolution that he knew lacked the votes long before this hour. it's not just democrats who oppose this c.r., several republicans did as well. all of today, mr. president, we have endeavored to reach an agreement with president trump and the republicans that would
have not only spared a government shutdown, but cemented an agreement on spending caps, including those for our military, the healthcare issues, disaster relief, and immigration issues. president trump reached out to me today, this morning, to invite me to the white house to talk all of these issues over. and i accepted. we had a lengthy and substantive discussion. during the meeting, an exchange for strong daca protections, i reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion. even that was not enough to entice the president to finish the deal. many democrats don't want to go that far on the border. many republicans don't they are. but we were willing to compromise with the president to get an agreement. in the room it sounded like the
president was open to accept it. this afternoon, in my heart, i thought we might have a deal tonight. that was how far we'd come. that's how positive our discussion felt. we had a good meeting. but what has transpired since that meeting in the oval office is indicative of the entire tumultuous and chaotic process republicans every engaged in in the negotiations thus far. even though president trump seemed to like an outline of a deal in the room, he did not press his party in congress to accept it. speaker ryan and leader mcconnell without the commitment of the president would not agree to accept anything either. what happened to the president trump who asked us to come up with a deal and promised that
he'd take heat for it? what happened to that president? he backed off at the first sign of pressure. we have the outline of a deal on caps. we have the outline of a deal on healthcare. we have the outline of a deal on immigration, the toughest issue. it was real, it was an honest to goodness breakthrough. we could have passed a short term extension of funding so that we could cross the ts, dot the is and be done with it all. but the dynamic of the past few weeks during which the congressional republicans looked to the president for guidance and the president provided none prevailed again today unfortunately. the same chaos, the same disarray, the same division and discord on the republican side that's been in the background of
these negotiations for months, unfortunately, appears endemic. it is standing in the way of bipartisan solutions to all of the issues now before us. every american knows the republican party controls the white house, the senate, the house. it's their job to keep the government open. it's their job to work with us on a way to move things forward. but they didn't reach out to us once on this c.r., no discussion, no debate, nothing at all. it was produced without an ounce of democratic input and dropped on our laps. meanwhile they can't even get on the same page as a party. they control every branch of the legislative process and it's responsibility to govern and here they have failed.
several republicans voted against the c.r. as well as democrats for the same reason we voted against it. one of the most serious consequences of having continuing resolution after continuing resolution is the damage it does to our military. as a pentagon spokesman said last night another c.r. would be wasteful and destructive to our military. the navy secretary said that because of c.r.s the navy has put $4 billion in the trash can, poured lighter fluid on it, and burnt it. that's the navy secretary, what you have done. this is no way to conduct the nation's business. republicans know it, democrats know it, the american people know that this party is not capable of governing. so where do we go from here?
i believe many of my republican colleagues sincerely want to get a deal. i know their hearts are in the right place. i know they lament the fact that we accept brinksmanship whereby partisanship used to be. there was always discussion in these issues in the past. everyone knew you needed both parties to work together, none of that happened here today. now, all of this problem is because republican leadership can't get to yes because president trump refuses to. mr. president, president trump, if you are listening i am urging you please take yes for an answer. the way things went today, the way you frurnd a bipartisan
deal, it's almost as if you were rooting for a shutdown. and now we'll have one. and the blame should crash
we're headed in. i plead with them to see reason and prevail upon their leaders and most of all the president to give us the space to work together, to let us do the job the american people sent us here to do. when president trump decides he's finally ready to lead his party to a deal, democrats will be ready, willing, and eager to clinch it. there is a path forward. we can reach it quickly. tomorrow, the president and the four leaders should immediately sit down and finish this deal so the entire government can get back to work on monday. yield the floor. >> shannon: you have been listening in to two important speeches on the floor by the house majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer after what we thought, bret, we were watching, this all of the discussions
going on, maybe they were working to a deal. sounds like they did not get there because they both blasted each other once they got to the lectern. the president took a lot of the heat. mitch mcconnell has said they're going to vote again. whether he literally means tonight, he could relaunch that vote, procedurally he preserves the right to do that. let's listen in, maybe he will explain. >> so there were five courageous democrats on the other side who stood up to this ridiculous argument that made sense, somehow to shut down the government over an imlegal immigration issue -- illegal immigration issue that the vast majority of this body would like to do something about anyway. i want to particularly commend the five democrats who had the courage to stand up to this ridiculous strategy. they put their whole party in
incredible predicament. the white house just indicated, the president isn't going to talk about the issue at all while the government is shut down. made it quite clear. he said when democrats start paying our armed forces and first responders we'll reopen negotiations on immigration reform. so this particular strategy has eliminated the possibility of getting a signature on the thing they shut the government down over. anybody explain to me this strategy? i'm perplexed. i wasn't first first in my class but i wasn't last, either. how does this get them, what they're looking for? well, we'll continue to talk because when all the games stop, the issues are still there.
every single one of them, are still there. the american people expect us to act like adults to get together and solve the problems. now, i'll be offering an amendment to change the date to february 8. we will unfortunately not be able to get that vote tonight but i will be subsequently asking for consent. at this point we will be voting on february 8. that's the date that the senator from south carolina, senior senator from south carolina and i have been talking about. the democratic leader and i have been talking about. which begins to move a little bit closer to where our friends on the other side said they wanted to be. but a reasonable period of time
it takes into account the state of the union, party conferences, and just the amount of time it takes to actually write a bill once you have an agreement. i mean, you can't just reach an agreement and snap, like, your fingers and everybody falls into place and you're ready to go. so a reasonable period to first agree and then write and get ready to pass, negotiated settlement that we've been working on for months, february 8 is a very reasonable time. and so i'm going to give, i hear the sentiment for that on both sides of the aisle, i hope so at some point, we'll vote that option. i can't get that vote tonight but i'll ask consent to have that vote tonight.
i move, mr. president, to table the motion to refer. >> for the yeas and nays. >> sufficient second? there is. >> shannon: so developments on the senate floor as we see, the two sides still very far apart. not voting on something tonight that will resolve this. at 12:37a.m. eastern, we are in the midst of a government shutdown. as it begins, very slowly and phasing, with some agencies you won't notice it at all especially if they get it wrapped up shortly. the measure was going to fund through february 16. they have changed that date or they will try to amend this and make it february 8. that addresses some of the concerns of some of the folks who did not want it to go that long, gets them parent the staft union and parent the party conferences. bret baier, they could get this resolved over the weekend, they have to get to the 60 votes. >> bret: i think that's what the shuttling back and forth and the conversations that we saw on the
floor was getting the date back to february 8, three weeks. and i bet that you get those republicans who voted against it to come back onboard. you get the five democrats. and they're going to keep voting on this until they get a deal. the five democrats are up for re-election in red states won by president trump. mitch mcconnell will have them vote 100 times if they can to point out how different they are from the democratic party steered by which you can schumer. couple of points. we are told the white house meeting was president, chief of staff john kelly, senator schumer and his chief of staff in the little room off the oval office, the study. "new york times" says they had cheese burgers. we heard from senator schumer's speech he put the border wall, the funding that the president wanted which according to kelly was $20 billion, on the table as a possible deal if the daca
could go through. according to schumer, we haven't heard from the white house, a lot of maybe this is going to work. the other pillars of what the president wanted didn't sound like they got to there. by the time schumer got back to capitol hill that bigger deal had fallen apart and the continuing resolution came to an end. this, last thing, about who's taking the blame i pointed out the a.p. said senate democrats derail bill to avert shutdown. the "new york times" headline says, senate democrats block passage of a stopgap spending bill to keep the government open. those are two headlines of what went down tonight. that don't really line up with schumer's portrayal. ssh interesting, and -- >> shannon: interesting, and mitch mcconnell made clear to the parties, probably going to make them continue to vote until they get to a resolution. ploib not right now but maybe over the weekend, they are not moving one inch forward on the
immigration issue until they get the funding going again. he krielted the statement that we have from the white house -- he cited the statement from sarah sanders, press secretary's office, when democrats start paying our armed forces and first responders we'll open renegotiation on immigration. that date moved but seems like maybe that's the only concession that we get moving forward. >> bret: interesting to hear senator schumer say he charges president trump is causing chaos. in 2013 that was the word that he said would be caused if you went with the republican shutdown, based on policies that were outside the budget purview. daca and immigration doesn't fit with funding the government. it's not in the budget. easy thing to put on the bumper sticker for republicans. daca well get done, this president is committed to it, this administration is. the question is, where the bigger negotiation goes on border security, chain
migration, and merit-based immigration where does that go? >> shannon: big questions. let's talk to folks who may be voting on this, congressman doug collins, vice chair of the republican congress. and congressman christian morrissey, democrat from imknow. thanks for joining us. congressman i'll start with you, what do you make of where we are right now, we've talked to many republican colleagues who say you're closer than people think looking from the outside in, from the public, where do you think are you? >> thank you for having me, shannon. i agree, i think that we are close. i think it's time to govern, enough of the recriminations, nufl of the blame game, let's come to an agreement. i think there was a deal on the table last week between senator graham and senator durbin that has been negotiated among the senators generally. unfortunately that got derailed
at a white house meeting. i think now it's time to step back from the brink, go back to the table, negotiate something that all of us can agree on. >> shannon: in the meantime, congressman kol lints, you were a member of the military, a lot of concern about what happens to military folks as this plays out. they're gone of the main groups along with federal employees who are subject to some real repercussion when is this kicks in, 42 minutes in now. i want to play something from defense secretary general mattis said about how this plays out for the military. >> that is going to impact our contracting, it'll impact obviously our medical facilities, it's got a huge morale impact, i'll tell you, how long can you keep good people around when something like this happens. it's always a question that's got to hover in the back of my mind. i would just tell you, that we do a lot of intelligence operations around the world.
and they cost money. those obviously would stop, and i would just tell you that training, for almost our entire reserve force, will stop. >> shannon: those are real world impacts, congressman collins. how warriorried are you, even if we get a short c.r., people saying that's not good for the military. >> that is what is bothering us, the conversation i'm having is really concerning, even my friend from illinois, democratic friends saying we want to deal with daca, then the spending e will's get back to dealing with the american issues that we have of spending on our military, spending on our readiness, spending on regular functiontion of the government and commit to finding a fix for daca. that is a separate issue, it is not prime right now, we are trying to get it fixed, the president is committed to it. when you deal with real world families, the issues of our government and staying open and
doing the things we're supposed to be doing, look, let's deal with those things we are supposed to be doing. as a reservist i've been getting texts from folks i serve with and others saying where are we headed, am guy towing get my training. the c.r. doesn't do it. that's a big concern and some in the senate. we need get to the two-year cycle to have the long-term spending man plan our military needs. i'm not sure how we friends across the is a kl say the united states is being honest with the real world problems of north korea, syria, and the world when they're not willing to come to a spending agreement. that's boggling. >> shannon: let's turn to daca, which is really at the crux of what we're dealing with. congressman, where are you on the contours of what we're seeing that is the primary gop offering from the house judiciary chairman bob goodlatte, cuts down -- eliminates chain migration and the visa lottery eventually,
provides some pathway to legal status and protection for daca for the dreamers. but really tough on a number of levels. is that something that there are portiontion of it, some of it, all of it you sko get onboard with? >> i can't support that particular measure. i'm a sponsor of the dream act, which i believe is a much better approach to treating the folks on daca. i agree with my good friend gentleman, mr. collins, who says that we need a multi-year budget to help the military. but also education and healthcare. we need to reauthorize community health centers and provide a fix for the dreamers. some folks have claimd claimed this is not an emergency situation for the dreamers. they're about to be subject to deportation in march, less than 60 days. that's an emergency. and we are funding i.c.e., customs and border patrol, homeland security, precisely
those functions that touch upon immigration and these issues. but that being said, limit's come back to the table. let's be our best self, and let's come with open minds and open hearts and let's be bipartisan about this. this is what i believe we have to do. we have a duty to do at this point. >> shannon: congressman collins, nice to hear the two of are you friendly and respectful to each other, you want to find common ground here. congressman collins where are you on the goodlatte bill and what you hear from your colleague tonight? >> many of the parts of the goodlatte bill we have voted on, this is not a new bill, these were put together from different things we were going through and in the process of discussing immigration. the only exception with my friend is this, the emergency he spoke of the emergency and the urgency with daca, why are we not speaking about the same urgency and concern about a military that can't get funding. take it out of the c.r., take it out of the continuing resolution
when it was offered on the table for us to basically suspend the sequestration and take away the cuts that would be coming to military. what happened kwhis they went to the table instead of racing the discretionary spending and keeping it and removing the cuts from sequestration on defense, our friends across the aisle wanted to raise the domestic spending up to the levels of defense spending. these are issues not talked about, because when i look at, this i look at the real world issues of our defense, i look at the training incidents, i look at the lack of manpower, i look at the same thing that general mattis talked about, that psyche of what are we doing and are we being appreciated. there's a bigger emergency in the side of the spending and looking at how we make a long term solution and work together. this is something that we can work together on. but there has been commitment to say we'll find a solution for the daca folks. we are wanting to make sure they are taken care of but we have to
put priorities in line. one of the biggest priorities is what is not happening not funding the government and not funding the troops. >> can i agree with mr. collins on something. mr. collins brings excellent points with regard to the military. but he also probably realizes that there's some emergencies on some nonmilitary matters as well. you know, one-third of the nondefense discretionary budget is spent on security measures. everything from counter intelligence issues, to homeland security and so forth. we have to take care of our veterans as well. we have to take care of these nondefense matters. just at the same time we're taking care of these military matters. we have to do it in a way that's consistent with the values of the american people. they're demanding a solution. we have to come to the table right now. it's 12:40 eastern time, we should go to the table right now. i don't think we should delay. we have to get to the work of the american people. i should note that one thing
that we're doing in our office we will be open every day of this shutdown. i suspect many of my colleagues will also have their offices open. i'm donating my paycheck to local charities. on a bipartisan note we're co-sponsoring a note, i'm shurmur collins is on this bill, to take care of military families who may be affected by the shutdown right now. let's take that to the table, get the deal done asap. maybe as soon as tonight or tomorrow, and let's get on with it. >> shannon: the attitudes of both of you give hope to americans at home who want to see resolution from the right or the left side of the aisle. thank you both for your time and being with us late tonight on this important night. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> shannon: kevin cork joins us now, it is in the morning, we're officially on saturday. kevin, 49 minutes into the shutdown.
>> 39 minutes in, and get this, you know, on occasion you get something that you don't expect. in particular, head of state or in this case the vice president, the second in command, is on the road. you aren't sure if um hear when they're flying aboard air force two. part of a statement that we have received from the vice president en route to cairo, a shopover in ireland before continuing on. i want to share what he said about tonight's shutdown. this is one of those circumstances where a man who has experience in the senate, probably is comping at the wit, certain -- champing at the bit wishing he could push it over the finish line. what he believes is a lack of action by the democrats. he said their action or lack thereof is unconscionable. our administration will do everything within our power to support the brave men and women in uniform who stand on the front lines of freedom. he goes on to add, this our administration will do
everything within our power for the brave men and women in uniform who stand on the front lines of freedom, but as of tonight due to a completely avoidable government shutdown, they'll stand their post without pay. i want to share that. when you end up with a statement like this, you're talking about a number of people, all over the globe, not just here in washington and not just here in the united states, but are watching this, watching this from an interesting perspective. they would like to know is the leader of the free world in command of what's happening in his country. they may not understand the nuance of the power of congress. others from around the globe wonder how the united states can't get its act together. when you hear the vice president say this isn't just some political thing, we're talking about impacting men and women in uniform all over the globe standing in the gap for all of us, you would think members of congress could get their act together and get something done. tomorrow, we will be watching very carefully here from our
perch at the white house to see if something happens. but in the meantime we will be watching and waiting to see if the president takes to twitter. i'm waiting, aren't you waiting? >> shannon: i am refreshing his twitter page making sure we don't miss anything. kevin cork live late into the night, early in the morning, thank you so much. we want to take you back live to the senate floor, because it looks like conversations are continuing there. the two sides, two leaders have come achbld had very tough talk for each other yet conversations continue. senators talking about what they're going to do next. our understanding they're going to get to a voting measure eventually that moves this short term funding measure back from february 16 what the house passed to february 8 is the goal in the senate. let's talk about it, now. joining us senior columnist for town hall curtis schickter and cabrilla farrow. we will be serving breakfast shortly. stick around.
in the meantime, sounds like they could use it on the hill. capri, the senate majority leader said we had a great meeting. now he says all hell is going to break loose. >> i think that frankly, we have separation of powers for a reason. yes, the president of the united states does play a role in the negotiating process. but at the end of the day members of the united states senate and for that matter the house have to make decisions, they're big boys and girls, and they have a job to do. yes, they have to recognize what is the president going to sign or not sign. that has to be in the calculus. but at this point, hopefully they will be able to come to some kind of remedy within the next 24 to 48 hours as the senate rules allow them to do since they have not closed the vote. they can go back and cast a vote. america is watching. >> shannon: kurt i feel like i don't need to ask you a
question, you look like you're chomping at the bit. what are you dying to say? >> i'm loving this, shannon. we have a. who is -- i am, he's keeping his promises. he's not rolling over and doing the exact opposite of what he was elected to do. this is a president who says i'm not going to come in here and give no springs attached amnesty to everyone who wants to come to the country. that's what chuck schumer wants. he is unhappy with the american electorate, he wants to impoort new one. donald trump and the republicans dash. >> shannon: that's short sighted. >> i think it's great. if the democrats want to go out and say, hey, we're going to deprive america's military bhaf it needs to fight, what it needs on feed its family, i was in the military when we had shutdowns in the past, in exchange for giving illegal aliens a free pass to american citizenship.
that's a fight i want to have. and we're already searing the "new york times" and the a.p. put the blame where it belongs on the democrats. >> shannon: the democrats shouldn't be con flating the issues. >> the issues of daca and the individuals that have come here, no fault of their own, is a matter of human dignity. at the same time, that is pending until march. we have a job to do to keep the doors open. this isn't about trying to import a new electorate for the democrats. >> that's exactly what it is. >> i don't that i that's the case. >> what about the dignity of american voters. >> absolutely, i agree with that, that's idea two issues shouldn't be together. we need to give the daca issue and immigration issue its own track. >> shannon: five seconds to kurt. >> i agree, the democrats shouldn't have put them together, a tactical and strategic error, i'm glad they made. >> shannon: thank you for joining us tonight. we are out of time as we cover this shutdown, 55 minutes in.
there's no reason that we can keep going through this i made a mistake, i thought i was under attack. the democratic candidates must show they have a real solution to policing. whether it's in south bend, whether it's in new york around the choking death of eric gardner, whether it's philadelphia. it's a national problem. if you want national leadership, then get up and lead. that does it for me. this weekend. but thanks for tuning in. i'll see you back here next saturday, 5:00 pmp eastern rdayn this sunday my sit down with president donald trump. a blunt, frank, and far-reaching interview. >> what happened last night? >> reporter: on why he stopped the planned military strike in iran. >> here we're sitting with with 150 dead people that would have taken place within half an hour
after i said go ahead and i didn't like it. i didn't think it was proportionate. on u.s.-iranian relations. >> i'm not looking for war and if there is, it will be obliteration like you've neverer seen before but you can't have a nuclear weapon. >> they're in terrible shape down there, president. in homestead, florida, the conditions are terrible. >> i agree and it's been there a long time. a lawsuit that would kill coverage for preexisting conditions. >> i'm in favor of preexisting conditions. >> so drop your aspect of the lawsuit. and on his biggest regret as president. >> if you could have one do over as president, what would it be? >> and what mr. trump thinks of how imp peachment could impact his reelection prospects, if he'll keep vice president pence on the ticket and this morning "one on one" with president.
dwae and the democrats heading to the first debates, joe biden and pete buttigieg confront questions on race. and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," "wall street journal" columnist, peggy nunen and loggy chen of stanford university. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> from nbc news, the longest running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck tautd. >> it's safe to say we're at one of the pivotal points of the 2020 election cycle. though you could argue he's been running for reelection since he signed his papers the day he was inaugurated and the democrats will their starting gun when 20 candidates face off for two nights of debates this coming week in miami.
and president trump will be a dominating presence at those debates. one way or the other, it will be a refer rendm on donald trump. he will argue he's a successful businessman turned president with a successful economy, apoined conservative judges. in short he'll argue he's made america great again. democrats will say he's a bigot who's caged children and embarrassed america before the world and in short unfrit the office. i sat down for an interview that touched on well, almost everything. from the crisis at the border to the mueller report to whether he'll accept the results if he loses. and we start with the decision to call off a strike on iran. what happened last night?
>> well, you had a situation that was very bad because the night before they shot down an unmanned drone and the unmanned is a very big factor. it fact there was not a person on it. a u.s. person or anybody. and that had an impact on me. i said we got problem. and i think they did it on purpose because they understand they will be hit very hard if that water plane with a person in it and i think they knew there was nobody there. we had a modest but pretty heavy attack schedule. >> and this is a preplan that you had if they did something -- these were sort of ready-made plans. >> i have so many targets you wouldn't believe. >> so did you green light something or had you said if we do it, i'll do this? >> nothing is green lighted until the very end because things change. >> so you never gave final ord
snr. >> no but we had something redty go subject to my approval and they came in about half an hour before and said sir, we're about ready to go. >> were planes in the air? >> about ready to go. no, but they would have been pretty soon and things with would have happened to a point where you wouldn't turn back or couldn't turn back. so they said sir, we'd like decision. i said i want to know something before you go. how many people will be killed? in this case iranians. how many people were going to be killed. sir, i'd like to get back to you on that. great people these generals. they came back said, sir, approximately 150. and i thought about it for a second and i said you know what they shot down an unmanned drone, plane, whatever you want to call it and here we are sitting with with 150 dead people that would have taken place within half an hour after
i said go ahead. and i didn't like it. i didn't think it was proportionate. >> you think they were trying to provoke you? >> no, i don't think so. and i think it's very important to them. >> you don't think they intended to get you to respond? >> their economy is shattered. their inflation is through the roof. the highest in the world right now. they're living not well. >> do you want to do a deal with iran or get everybody involved in the same deal with the russians and the chinese? >> i don't care what kind of deal. separate or total. >> one on one talks with you the ayatollah? >> anything that gets you to the result that cannot have a nuclear weapon. a lot of people covered it incorrectly. they cannot have a nuclear weapon. they'd use it and they're not go having to a nuclear weapon. >> reuters is reporting you sent
a message i don't want war, i want to talk. >> i did not send that message. i don't know who would have said that. i mean it's fake news. >> then sunday message right now. >> wouldn't be much different than their message. >> which is? >> i'm not looking for war and if there is, it will be obliteration like you've never seen before. but you skraent a nuclear weapon. you want to talk, good. >> no preconditions? >> not as far as i'm concerned. you can't have nuclear weapons. if you want to talk about it, good. otherwise, you can live in a shattered econfraemomy for long to come. >> do you feel you were being pushed into military action? >> i have doves and hawks. john bolton is absolutely a hawk. if it was up for him, he'd take on the whole world at one time. but that doesn't matter because i want both sides. i was against going to iraq for
years and years and before it happened i was against going to iraq. and some people said i don't know. i was a private citizen. it never made sense to me. i was against going to the middle east. we spent $7 trillion in the middle east right now. >> what would candidate trump have said about under his watch, a venezuelan dig tartd thumbing his nose, and drone shot down and -- >> let's take a look. the border's doing great. mexico's doing fantastic. so for 45 years they couldn't get a deal. i got one in one day. i said we're going to put tariffs on. and mexico just moved 6,000 people to their southern border. 6,000 troops to their southern border and the wall is being built. a lot of people don't like to talk about it. we will have 400 miles of wall built by the end of next year
and that's hard because the democrats don't want to aprive it. we just beat them in a big lawsuit in washington and d.c. >> does it frustrate you that your numbers are worse than obamas? >> they're pouring up because the economy is good. obama had a dead economy. >> let me show you this. you see this chart? unemployment rate from the peek of the procession. your economy is great. i'm not saying rirls not great. the 28 months you've been president and it the last 28 months of obama's presidency he averaged more new jobs. >> because he started off such a bad base. i mean -- nobody was working. the whole place was a disaster. i never take that away. but it's very easy because they pumped a tremendous amount of money into economy. and he had a federal reserve person who kept the interest
rates low. i don't. raised them far too fast. >> do you think that's had -- >> i didn't threaten to demote him. >> there was talk you'd threaten to move him to the number two spot? >> i have a right to do that but i haven't said that. 50 billion a month in quantitate chb tightening, that's ridiculous. what he's done is raised interest rates too fast. i think the economy's so strong we're going to bowl through it. but i'm not happy with his actions, no. i think if he didn't raise rates, obama had very low rates. so obama was playing with funny money. i wasn't. i'm playing with the real stuff. obama had somebody who kept the rates very low. ib had somebody that raised the rates very rapidly, too much. he made a mistake. that's been proven.
and yet my economy is phenomenal. we have now the best economy in maybe the history of our country. when i took over this country, the economy was ready to collapse. it was ready to collapse. >> i just showed you the numbers. it was not ready to collapse. >> take a look at your gdp, your jobs, optimism. all of the charts when i took over from election day on, i mean you show me one chart -- but i'm not talking about that. take a look at some of the optimism charts. it wentz from 57 to 92. >> the optimism. >> auoptimism is a big part of success in business. >> you thought he wasn't a cheerleader. >> he was not a cheerleader. >> if you had one do over? >> personnel.
i would not have appointed jeff sessions to be attorney general. >> in your mind -- >> i think he's a very taleneded -- >> roy cone. >> but i had many lawyers. a lot of lawyers. roy was a tough guy. bill barr -- >> cut from the same cloth you think? >> he's equally tough. he's a fine man. the job he's done is incredible. he's brought sanity back. i don't think. i know he's respected. he loves the department of justice. he saw what was happening. he has done a spectacular job. now he's in the process of doing something and i stay away from it. but i think he feels that what's happened irn this country was a very bad thing and bad for our country e. >> that's part one of my interview with president trump.
let me bring in the panel. lonny chen of the "wall street journal," peggy nunen and chief correspondent for the "new york times." first take away, peter. >> you're dousing with him in an interesting way. and it's interesting he's letting you do this. because most presidents wouldn't allow you to push that way. i think he likes that. i think he's enjoying giving you his case for reelexz as you already outlined. he's running the economy despite all the things obama had done wrong. he's the one tough on iran. obama gave away the store. the question is whether the results are going to end up being their november 2020 as you said. wall's not built. border crossings are up. can he make enough of a case on the economy and obama care and things like that? >> his fed chair could slow down his economy.
jeff sessions worst mistake he made. those are people to blame if things aren't going right. >> and let me start there because he mentioned jeff sessions but he first said personnel. how this week evolved, he's grappling with iran but doesn't have a defense secretary in place. this decision to pull back on his threat of ice deportations and of course jerome powell, taking aim at jerome powell and dangling the possibility of demoting him to the number two slot. this has hovered overhis entire administration. it can continues to plague him as he makes these critical choices. >> all correct. i agree with everything you said but mostly what i saw is he loves this. he loves talking, interviewing. he's loaded for bear. he's
thought out the foras he's going to take in the future and i have hawks and sympathetic or supportive of the idea that he's thinking about this. and he listens to them and then he makes it decision. i tell you i don't believe he ever will. the person that i'veinate viewed and known for a long time and his positions on this, he was reveling in the fact that everybody confused. >> this was the classic articulation of democracy at work. there's a piece of leverage that maybe he's created and he
doesn't allow people to really know what he's think and so he may or may not exercise or use that leverage and uses that to bring his adversary to the table. you've seen it with china, mexico and now iran. and in many ways it has become entirely predictable. the predictable have become entirely predictable. i think if you look at trump from the campaign and the donald trump we know about not wanting to get entangled in the middle east, it was very likely. >> was that a confident president or is he trying to show so much confidence because he's nervous about the economy and iran, nervous about the border. nervous about jeff sessions, which is code for investigations. >> as you say he just announced his reelection this past week. he's eager to get out there in the fight. there's an insecurity that fuels this cocky kind of persona that
he likes to project to the public. and there's always been this idea that he hasants done enough to impres the elites and i think this is sort of part and partial of his appeal to a lot of americans out there feel the same way. you guys are looking down on me but i'm doing okay. why do you treat me this way? >> i wrote this phrase down when you asked him about the economy. forerse he said we're going to bowl through it. i thoughts that was striking. it's not the word or term you would use if you're feeling really confident about the future prospects of the economy. >> i'm going to have to grind in my reelection. >> and internally conflicted, how to seem tough and that same time not to get more mired in the middle east. >> when we come back more on the mueller investigation. the battle for preexisting conditions and all of those
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welcome back. continuing with my interview with president trump. we hit a lot of topics in this part of our sit down, starting with the crisis at the border. >> i want to ask what's going on with the children in these migrant camps. the stories are horrible. children without their parents. kids taking care of kids. you've read these reports. i know people are coming to you. i know you think this is the democrats problem. why aren't you doing something? they are in terrible shape down there, mr. president. in homestead, florida, where i grew up, the conditions are terrible. >> i agree and it's been that way for a long time. and president obama built the cages it was 1914. it was 2014.
just lisson for one second. separation. president obama -- i took over separation. i'm the one that put it together. what's happened are the car teles and all of these bad people, they're using the kids. it's almost like slavery. >> let's not punish the kids. >> you're right and this is happening long before i got there. what we've done is ended separation. under president obama you had separation. i was the one that ended it. i said one thing. i said here's what's going to happen more families are going to come up and that's what's happened. once you ended the separation. but i ended separation. i inherited separation from president obama. president obama built -- they call them jail cells. they were built by obama. >> you're not schooling the can kids anymore. you've gotten rid of that stuff. >> we're doing a fantastic job under circumstances.
the democrats aren't approving giving us the money. >> it looks like these kids are being used as some sort of -- is it hostage? >> they're being used by very bad people and actually get paid -- money is being made, using them because our laws are so bad. if you have a child, you have anned a vantdage. >> why threlet the political de hurt these children? >> if the democrats would changing the asylum laws and loopholes, everything would be solved immediately. but they refuse to do it. they refuse. if they changed -- as i say -- i used to say 45 minutes. if they changed asylum and loopholes, everything on the border would be perfect. >> why do you think nancy pelosi has held off her impeachment caucus?
>> because i think she feels i will win much easier. >> do you think it's good politics for you? >> i think i win the election easier but i'm not sure i like having it. look, i did nothing wrong. i was spied on. it was illegal on the other side. so impeachment's a very unfair thing because nothing i did was wrong. and if you look at the mueller report there was no collusion. >> you say no collusion. i've read this mueller report, both parts, there's not one place that says nothing happened. >> use the word collusion and conspiracy. nobody mentions russia anymore since the mueller report in all fairness. nobody mentions russia anymore and it was about russia. it was a hoax. >> what hoax? >> it was a hoax. the russian hoax with me. >> you don't believe the russians interfered with our election? >> we're not talking about that.
>> the idea that you were conspiring. fair enough. on wikileaks, knowing now that was stolen foreign material, do you regret using it? >> i wouldn't have but this was well known. i think it was in papers and i'm going back a long ways -- >> it was russian property, why would you use it? >> i made a speech -- >> knowing they're a russian intelligence asset -- >> that's not my deal in life. i don't know about wikileaks. it was a strange name. there were stories they had information and i say it in a joking manner at speech, joking. everybody laughing. and they made it like it was serious. no. i don't want anything bad to happen to our country. anything bad happens to this country, i'll end it and end it fast. i don't want kba eof that to happen. >> you're going to see vladimir
putin? areio you going to ask him directly about interference in the eelection? >> i may. >> some think your answer last week invited him to do it again. >> i said both. i'd do both and when they did put it on, people understood. they put a different segment on. but when i said yeah, i'd do both, people saw that in the last version off it because the thing played like all weekends and on friday. so it's just more fake news. chuck, there's so much fake news. >> the republican party has change said in your image. do you think you caused that change or the party was changing and you were the leader they selectsed? >> i think commonsense caused it. people say are you conservative? i i guess i'm conservative. we're go having to borders and mexico has done a great job.
it's slowed down so much. but we have an amazing economy and people want to come up. but i'm about borders. i'm about great health care. obama care is a disaster. i got rid of the -- >> by the way why is economy doing so well -- you said obamacare is going to destroy the economy. i could have let it implode and kill it. >> this lawsuit that department of justice joined, it could get rid of preexisting conditions. >> i'm in fav of preexisting conditions. >> so drop your aspect of the lawsuit. >> it has nothing to do with it. the lawsuit is one thing. we're going to put in a bill total preexisting condition the republicans are in favor of preexistic conditions. >> you had full republican control and couldn't pass anything. >> we had a negative votes from john mccain. a surprising vote. but i got rid of the worst part
which was the individual mandate. we will always protect existing conditions. and i made a big decision. we have a man named azar, our secretary who's fantastic man, alex. a total pro. i could have managed obama care so it would have failed, or i could have managed it the way we did so it's as good as it can be. not great but it's too expensive, the premiums are too high. i had a decision to make. i could have politically killed obama care. i decided not to do it. but still it's not good. we're going to come up with great health care if we win the house, the senate and the presidency. >> are you prepared to lose? >> no, probably not. probably not. it would be much better if i said yeah. much easier for me to say oh, yes. no, i'm probably not too prepared to lose. >> you didn't like the fact that
you lost the popular vote? >> i say something that again is controversial. there were a lot of votes cast that i don't believe. i look at california -- >> that's surprising. >> take a look at judicial watch where california admitted to 1 million votes. >> of what? what are you talking about? >> judicial watch made a settlement -- >> about what? >> but let me tell you about popular vote. i think i'd do bet wr with a popular vote but i didn't campaign for the popular vote. you didn't see me campaigning in california or new york. if it was up to the popular vote, i would have done even better. i won 306 to 223 in the electoral college. you're training for the hundred yard dash verses the mile. >> you're totally right. i disagree. i went to michigan.
she didn't go to michigan enough. i won wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. no, maybe i did a great job. i never get credit for that. they say she was a lousy candidate. i think she was a great candidate. very smart, very tough, ruthless and vicious. >> you'd rather run against her again wouldn't you? you spend lot of time talk about it. >> no, i'd rather run against biden. sleepy joe. and the popular vote, at least me. i go to three places. i wentd to 19 or 21 states. i went to maine four times because i wanted to get one and i did get it. and that's the beauty of the electoral college.
>> you joked about a third time. >> crazy. >> you will accept the results. >> let's go for a third term and then a fourth. >> driving people crazy. and about endorsing. i got a lot of people going is mike pence 100% on your ticket? >> and no, zeer oeo. so why did you hesitate in endorsing? >> it was a surprise question. so far out. i mean it so far out.
that would be the only reason. what happens in 2024? i don't know that mike is going to run. i don't know who's running or anything else. >> yes, there's much more to my interview and you can see it all unedited on our website "meet the press.com" and late arfew minutes in the oval office. >> i read this morning i had the greatest base ever in politics. e greatest base ever in politics a! (mom) nooooo... (son) nooooo... (avo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent. bounty, the quicker picker upper. play it cool and escape heartburn fast with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. ♪ tum tum tum tums woman: (on phone) discover. hi. do you have a travel card? yep. our miles card. earn unlimited 1.5 miles
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we're back now with the panel. peggy, there's a lot to digest in that one because we went in a lot of places. i first want to start with the child migrant issue. because he just -- he's not personalizing that one. he personalizes almost everything in our interview. he sounds a bit almost too dispassionate. >> that's interesting you found him to be a little distanced on the subject. i know he thinks it is a big issue for him still in the coming eelection. i know also that there is probably a sense within him that he is perceived by others to be failing there at the border, not
only for the issues you mentioned, which are very serious but because it's been three years and nothing is under control down there. so maybe that has something to do with his thinking. i was listening to your audience as we were watching this interview and i thautd of this president, we shouldn't lose soilgt because we see him every day. this is a compelling character who people are watching closely and it always be closing. i sense he is always closing. but i heard a lot of laughter from your audience and strong engagement.
>> the frustration thing to a lot of people is this president is in a position to do the deal on immigration. he is in the position and everyone knows the term oz of the deal. everyone understands what the dmps want out of it, what the republicans would like to see in terms of border security and a merit-based system. and i imagine it's frustrating because politics involved. it's an election year, especially difficult to do immigration in an eelection year. and i think the president is the one with the opportunity to get this done. >> is he going to get -- it was interesting peggy said always be closing. but is he going to get a reputation that he bluffs too much? >> it's a great question and in the last two weeks he did this three times. says i'm going to impose crippling tariffs unless you do what i wauncht. and same thing with iran. not saying he got a deal.
and on the ice deportations. nancy pelosi called me so i held off for two weeks. >> i get it for the base but -- >> he is being accommodating. saying i'm going to be the reasonable guy, even though it's a cries he himself set up. it's going to be a weekend of mass deportation, well, maybe it's not. he's the creator of a crasis crisis and then savler. i think he looks at it as a way of getting where he wants to go. you put out an almost extreme version of what you want to get to pushes your other side to get 70/80% of what you want and he these to sort of come up with a deal that's not much off a deal. >> in watching your exchange about these kids that the border, made me think of the phrase he othered over and over again i alone can fix it and i
think he's deeply frustrated he can't fix the problem. and then say look, now i'm calling on democrats and republicans to get something done on asylum. that's not going to happen. what could happen. they are considering these bills that would a add more funding and he'll claim credit and say we got this done ultimately. >> i want to talk about what he said about hillary clinton and joe biden. daniel henger had an interesting observation about joe biden and the sleeply joe reference. he said it's trump's sleepy joe problem. me many voters just want respite from the volatility. for them it may not be an insult. political belief still matters but maybe not as much as neurological relief from personality over load. and in some ways that interview
and this column, you see how that could go together. >> oh, sure. do you remember on the ed sullivan show when we were little children there was a guy who came and balanced plates. he'd put a plate up, get another, get another and run back and forth trying to keep them up. balancing platsz is part of this administration and president. look, it's nonstop harum-scarum. even something in the past may have been as cleanly logically handled as the iran thing became nonstop harum-scarum. this meaning, no, it has this meaning. i did for this reason. he is exhausting. i think a great for the president is he seems to exhaust, not into submission but ultimate aversion. many people in the middle who would like to be thattic but
thing this is too much. >> stop tweeting, taunting. i mean that's his style. it's this notion that you're going to change who he is. i think we should give up on that. all the criticism about there being no process in the white house, i mean the president arrives at decisions the way he's going to arrive at dedecisions. all these democratic candidates criticizing on process. and i love a good process more than anything else. and why do that? he's going to do what he's going to do. >> nonstop harum-scarum is an approach that can exhaust people. and i think he's struggling with how to take on biden. and you saw that when he was in florida launching his campaign. so he went back to his talking points on hillary clinton >> he's decided she's a great candidate now. because she's a great candidate because it would make his victory seem more impressive.
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and unlike other countries that don't have money and we have subsidize things. >> it makes you over look their bad behavior? >> i don't like anybody's bad behavior. >> they'd like the united states to order the -- will you allow the fbi to do that? >> i think it's been heavily investigated. >> by who? >> everybody. here's where i am? you ready? iran's killed many people a day. other countries in the middle east, this is a hostile place, a vicious, hostile place. if you're going to look at soud a arabia, look at iran and other countries i won't mention names and look a at what's happening and outside the middle east and look at what's happening with countries.
and i say they spend 400 to 450 billion over a period of time, all money, all jobs. buying equipment. we don't want to do business with them and if they do business, we make the best equipment but they will buy great ekwamt from russia and china.
i have an idea of what the first big challenge is. not just for joe biden but a lot of the democratic candidates in the top tear and that is confronting the issue of race, appealing to african-american voters and answering for past discretions. joe biden and working with segregationists. here's a bunch of his rivals rip under to him. >> individuals he's speaking of with such aderation -- >> and that's still not working for so many millions of people. >> as a black man i know the legacy of this language and how it still hurts and harms.
>> joe biden went on al sharpton's show to try to reexplain. >> it hurts when you talk about boy. it means something different to us. >> it does. >> it hurts when you call a racist like the normal life. who the heck remembers jim ease lynn that will find that a good
reference? and i think when you're the opposition party candidate, you ought to be the candidate of change and freshness and that's not freshness or change. he's not where the party energy is. it may be enough to get him a nomination but not the activist basis. >> i think the thing that struck me is biden handled it in a very trumpian way. i'm not apologizing. and i think whoever wins this nomination will be going up against a president who does not apologize typically. every once in a while. and if the democrats -- right now, of course, they're sort of tearing each other apart, but if at the end of the day they apologized for various things, does that in fact leave the eventual nominee? >> i'm starting to buy into the comparison is joe biden the mitt romney of 20? meaning where you have a base of the party, a base of the party that wanted something else but he was considered, well, that's
your best shot at getting it. the base of the democratic party wants something else but there's this idea joe biden is your best shot. >> i think arguably mitt romney was a little closer in terms of having been -- having governed and a closer record to when he ran for president. the problem is the separation with so much of his political record, because, yes, he's vice president but people don't account for that. they think about it from the 1970s. that separation is huge. if you think the democrats are attacking biden now, you just wait. in a political primary where they agree on 90% of policy, it will be all about drawing distinctions. you will see it on the debates on nbc. the way they're going after him -- >> well done. >> thank you. if you think this is bad now, just wait. >> he is the person in the way of the ambitions of a whole bunch of the other candidates who will be on the stage on
wednesday and thursday. i think that biden probably has to get used to the idea that maybe starting out in subtle ways and then tougher ways, a lot of people will try to make him a pinata. and he's got to be able to handle that and you don't handle it by bringing up 50-year-old references to senators who made your party look very bad, and whose name reminds you of their bad history in that area. >> the question though is who had the worst week in the democratic primary? is it joe biden or he pete buttigieg? is getting tested now in the crisis in south bend, a white police officer kills a black citizen of south bend. he's been there most of the weekend dealing with protesters and really being read the riot act. here's a quick excerpt. me if b lives matter? >> yes. >> we want to hear you say it. >> of course, black lives
matter. >> then fire your cops! >> welcome to the nfl. this is a big test. pete buttigieg, is he ready for the national stage in his own city? this to me is a big test for him. >> it's a big test. unlike former vice president biden, he doesn't have a long-established relationship with the african-american community. he didn't work on civil rights. and he's really just starting to introduce himself to american voters. right now that was taking place in south bepnd. to what extent will it resonate? clearly a topic of the debates. what he did was he was smart, he went off the campaign trail, he went back home and dealt with people in his own community face-to-face. the question is, did he do a good enough job? >> we're getting skrut fli here. politico said the police department hasn't gotten more diverse, it's gotten more white.
when you look at miami, new york, l.a., all of them realize the one big thing they had to change was diversifying their police force. you're sitting there going, 2012 and this hasn't happened in south bend? >> pete buttigieg has done very well up until now off a really good presentation on television. he presents himself really well. we'll start looking at his actual record. he's running a city of before 100,000 people. it's not been scrutinized up until now. this is going to bring that home. you're right, he goes there, he confronts the issue head-on. i think that obviously helps him in a sense. you're right. the record is going to come back and haunt him a little bit. >> bad week to have a bad week. >> beyond the record, there's also a thin skinness about his response that will not wear well on the campaign trail. >> he had never shown that before. >> right, right. >> there's this one moment when you read it, it looks terrible. he didn't mean it the way it came across. i don't want your vote. i am not playing politics. it came across. a horrible exchange for him. >> i was in south bend recently.
i got the impression talking to a lot of people that they approved of him as mayor, but they thought he had some problems. one thing is, this is the sort of cool and technocratic fellow. >> interesting. >> yeah, doesn't always translate higher. >> fabulous way to describe him. not always a compliment. i want to show you one final moment with my interview with president trump. it happened in the oval office. where we also got a surprise visit from mike pence. when i asked the president something about his legacy. >> have you thought about a presidential library? >> i am so busy, i know a lot of people mentioned it to me, the presidential library. >> yeah. >> i'm so busy -- >> do you know where yet you'd want it? >> i have a lot of locations, actually. >> i know you do. >> the best part, i don't have to worry about buying a location. >> would you want it at one of your properties? >> i've been treated so great in florida. you know, i've been treated great in so many states -- >> i take it you'd want your
library where your people would go. so florida -- >> my people are going to a lot of different places. people are great. i read this morning, i had the greatest base ever in politics and i really believe that. >> i have to see i didn't see the idea of his library coming on one of his properties. the debates are on nbc, telemundo wednesday night includes booker, klobuchar. thursday we'll hear from buttigieg, harris, among others. i'll be privileged to be moderating alongside my colleagues. i hope you'll join us. we'll have coverage all week long. naets all we have for today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week with all of the debate analysis that's fit to put on the show. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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this don't know that outcome and so many implications of it. but we can take a look at a few things, what prigozhin is doing with rostov-on-don is this military headquarters and he's got it hostage and he'll use it as negotiations if putin is willing to negotiate. so he's got one group doing that and that's where he's located himself. the second group is on the march towards moscow and they're north and by passed a town. there has been contact with russian aviation. as you've mentioned multiple times, the march north has been relatively unimpeded and uncontested by any russian forces whatsoever. it doesn't surprise me, remember, this is a centralized military system. the united states military is decentralized. we empower tactical unit
instead of holding a public ceremony with lawmakers from both sides of the aisle, the president simply signed the legislation in private at the oval office, posting that video on twitter. joining us now white house reporter from the "associated press," our friend darlene. darlene, good morning. let's talk about this debt deal. it seems like everyone involved wanted to turn the page as quickly as possible after it held it hostage for weeks is. there any concern in the white house, certain elements of the deal like student loan repayments, work requirements might dampen enthusiasm among democrats as we start looking toward campaign season? >> good morning, jonathan. that's super a concern at the white house. as you know, the student loan repayment plan was a priority
and then get more time for both sides to iron this out? that's been bandied about. >> that's where i would be. i don't think it's realistic either, neil. i don't think it will happen. that's what i would be for. >> neil: you know, republicans, congress woman, have blamed the president for early on not playing a more active role. it could have been in the early days he didn't want to tie a debt creeling to spending cuts. i get that. the valuable time was lost because that is exactly what is being debated and discussed now. >> look, i do believe that we have in previous administrations not held the debt ceiling hostage. i don't think we should hold it hostage. if i'm to be consistent, i'm a person that says people should always sit down and talk. we are where we are. i'm not going to -- we are we with are now and i want to know how we're not going to default. i agree with you we need to address is the spending or
if you have a credit card debt and as a family, would you say, look, let's just not pay the debt? let's pay the debt and then we can discuss what budget cuts we should make. it's important to realize what they're doing. they're doing it because they don't -- they want the president -- the economy to not do well. people on record saying that. >> do you think that's fair, they want the economy to not do well? >> i don't understand why else they're holding it hostage. >> i'll take that as a no. zero agreement to any spending cuts even if we default. >> i'm open to spending cuts conversation after we pay our bills. >> let's move on to the banks. because we just saw the three big u.s. banks fail since march. that is extraordinary. do you expect more banks -- two in california. do you expect more banks to fail this year? >> i hope not, but there i can't say with 100% confidence until, in my view, we have a guarantee on uninsured bank deposits. i've been calling for that since march.
purge, which came after a hefty fee for lying. if you have a few basic facts the about this -- we have a -- haven't reported that one party's so pure. we just reported one party is pretending to take it hostage, but they're not that credible. do you think this is an area where the actual predicate is out there? people kind of know this is, pardon my language, crap? >> well, there's going to be one hard fact that will matter if the debt ceiling is not raised, which is the economy crashes. that is something that people will immediately feel. that is a situation where household wealth will decrease, where americans' incomes will decrease, where americans will lose their jobs, their retirement funds. those are really hard facts that will very much matter, and i think that that's something that republicans, particularly those in swing districts, are going to be cognizant about when they face re-election in 2024. they have to know that we cannot
the blame for not raising the debt ceiling or holding it hostage. has it been a president or has it been the members of congress who refused to pass the legislation. >> remember, it has never happened that the debt ceiling has not ultimately been raised. this tends to be one of the crises we raise right up to the brink, and somebody blinks and it changes. i think the blame depending on where you sit. and in the last major battle over this during the obama administration, i think there's a lot of consternation about the way that republicans handled this. there was this sort of complex negotiations to try to reach a grand bargain, kind of addressing debt and spending and other issues all in one big piece of legislation that fell apart. but, again, this is a political war shack test where each side sees the other as being cynical and holding the country hostage to try to lower spending or if you're a republican, you see democrats as being unreasonable and not willing to use a tool that exists for the purpose of
appointments for veterans that would disappear. that would be a huge impact on the health care of our veterans, just as we passed the act which is helping our veterans get the health care they need after exposure to burn pits, help in vietnam vets get what they need in disabilities. the list goes on. it would impact our women and infants food program. 1.7 million women and kids would not have the nutritional assistance that they need. it would undermine everything that we are trying to do at this moment to create an economy that works for everyone and for what? >> it would be catastrophic and they are holding it hostage. there are members of the caucus who were in the problem solvers caucus, as they call it, who have put forward proposals which would include a fiscal commission, some budget
putting our economy in the global economy at risk. but then they are saying to the american people, you are going to foot the bill for this. it would mean 30 million doctors appointments for veterans that would disappear. a huge impact on the health care we offer our veterans, just as we passed the pact act which is helping our veterans get the health care they need after exposure to burn pits. helping our vietnam vets get what they need in disabilities. the list goes on. it would impact our women and infants food program. 1.7 million when it kids would not have the nutritional assistance that they need. it would undermine everything that we are trying to do at this moment to create in economy that works for everyone. and for what? >> it would be catastrophic, and they are holding it hostage.