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Talking to anybody. he didnt want him to be able to communicate with his supporters, so essentially put him under house arrest in order to protect his own legitimacy as pope. >> and so celestine dies in captivity. >> in the 13th century, however, a retired pope is not the only threat to a sitting popes power. in a time when the lines between church and state are fluid, kings are just as threatening to papal power as previous popes. >> theres always a bit of a problem as to who was in charge. was...

Nationalist means. its a simple back and forthing that could have been dealt with and instead, its noud blown up and its more of a magnifying glass on his nationalism versus white nationalism or if theyre combined or if theyre different, we dont know because the president never explained. >> yeah. well, there you go. he also tried to get a question. theres a lot more behind it. we dont have all night, lets be moons. you tried to get a question into the president. >> we were there all night last ...

>> we received a phone call prosecute a person in new york. he told us he was afraid one of the bodies was going to be his brother. his younger brother called him to tell him he was in south texas. he needed money to pay the smugglers. >> i said to him, dont put yourself in danger. i would rather you be caught than anything happen to you. he told me to send $300 because he ran out of money. thats what they wanted to move him to houston. >> a few days later he got a call from a man named memo who...