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Temperature from having to face his critics at his ankles all the time. martha: there were opening statements and closing statements which i think some people snoozed through. >> the opening statement are a total waste of time. if you want to hear gaffes, you can go and test them. you know its a collaborative process. you go back and forth with these campaigns. whats interesting and unusual in trump and carsons case, they thought they could go public and try to force cnbcs hands in public. marth...

Chris, is this a win for them? how do you read it? >> the way they won is they dont have anything to lose. it wouldnt bother donald trump or ben carson not to participate. they are tide for first place. they are the frontrunners by a clear margin over the first of the pack. and debates have not been their strongest suit. why debate? its not like trump cant get publicity. you tell cnbc my way or the highway and they say fine, we were just checking. martha: you could look at it in a number of ways...

In a war with cnbc, threatening to boycott the network. >> they want to thick this an extra hour. i think its unfair to the viewers, and they are doing it because they want to make more money. we agreed to two hours and yesterday they came up with this additional long period of time. the networks are making a fortune off this stuff. they never made money, they always lost money with it, now they are making a fortune, i wonder why. martha: cnbc tweeted that they have agreed to the two-hour debate...