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Which, you know, fox ran with it, and its an old strategy to demonize black people, to make white people afraid, and its worked throughout history. its worked -- its broken up immigrant groups. >> dont you think it gets a heck of a lot more serious when the money is involved and people know they are getting the shaft economically and its not fair. that is bad remedy for america, i think. >> its a terrible remedy for america. were all worried about the lives of our children, and we dont -- you kn...

Perception is not that secretary vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> hes the decision maker. >> but hes running around like im running around. hes in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesnt know who the woman is. im going to cut him a little slack. ill going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i wont. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house becau...

Vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> hes the decision maker. >> but hes running around like im running around. hes in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesnt know who the woman is. im going to cut him a little slack. ill going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i wont. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house because they wanted to stop fox news f...

Vilsack made an honest mistake like you did. and -- >> why not? we both made the same mistakes. >> hes the decision maker. >> but hes running around like im running around. hes in ohio. somebody calls him and says this woman said this. he doesnt know who the woman is. im going to cut him a little slack. ill going to say he did exactly what i did. >> cut him all the slack you want. i wont. i think number one, he fired her on instructions from the white house because they wanted to stop fox news f...