frank rizzo junior garnered 10%, milton street, state representative, anthony hardy williams did not get very high numbers, based on that due guess who the -- do you guess who the top three whole win. >> when you say milton street didn't get high numbers, 4%, that's high numbers. the dye hadn't casted yet in terms of who will merge as a leading candidate. i was surprised that senator williams didn't get more than one%. >> you have to leave office if you're alan but but to win. 41% of voters are undecided. you have a sense there's a hunger for somebody else. anyone else out there those not included in this poll. gill green has taken himself out by serving on the school board as really a volunteer. one wonders is sam katz out there waiting in the wings? he always had his eye on the mayor slot, so i think there's some interest in asking who else is out there. >> i think it's early, as jan said. terry gillian whose been an aide to former governor ed rendell. as of right, she would be the only female in the race which does not guarantee anything at this point. it's part name recognition and partly whole commission the poll. hardy williams has high name recognition, where you do put the poll. 41% is the more indicative number overall. there's no clear person at this point. >> are they looking for a rock star someone who is bigger than life like ed rendell. >> tom wolf polled at 5% in february this past february and look where he ended up. ken trjio is a name in the hispanic community. >> tom knox i would not be surprised or darrell clark or senator williams candidacy or tom knox candidacy. >> committee of 70 another important watchdog group that was started 110 years ago literally. zack stallberg is retiring and moving out west. have you heard any rumblings on whole take his place. >> i do, ajay who doesn't have enough to do. ellen kaplan or larry platt. these are the type of people they have to be nonpartisan or bipartisan. journalist. >> i asked zack about this, he said one of the things that was most important to him not that he has a lot of sway that we have new blood coming in. it does look like it doesn't change much around here. in philadelphia, people stay until they die and when they die their children come in. the osification of leadership -- to bring a fresher set of eyes to it. not the same old same old. we're looking for new leadership in this city. >> and not seeing so much of it. >> let's go back to tom wolf the businessman who won the preliminary race to be in the november final with the governor, 20 points up on govenor corbett. here's the survey to show the last time they checked it. he is at 53%. corbett 33% undecidedl -- undieded 11. >> there was a are as -- are al that leans republican. i think there's good news for channel 6 and all the tv stations. >> a lot of ad revenue. >> both sides will be well funded and there will be a tremendous mendsous campaign for governor in pennsylvania. >> tom corbett is our governor so he is out there a little bit. corbett is running as if he is the challenger. >> tom wolf has a little bit of a halo. >> tom wolf is running at 3 entities. it's an up hill battle. it's 30% lead for a challenge, right after a democratic nomination that will be wiped out between now and closer to election time. i wouldn't count out the republican candidate on this one, pennsylvania history is on that side, incumbency matters. >> most people are writing off tom corbett nationally. it is interesting to see if the republicans, democrats, the new york times those leads will evaporate when we get closer to the race. tom wolf has been slow and steady. more democrats have to decide we have to get tom corbett out. tom corbett his own party people are not excited. >> almost one in three republicans are not supportive, that's the crushing number. >> here's an interesting study that was done by the university of penn where people are learning about civics or politics and how things work, jan was this surprising to you, because what we came up with was a show like stephen colbert where else playing a role on the show, his viewers knew more about campaign financing by watching his show at night. >> there's a transformation in the media. we were talking about the dismiels -- displays of newspaper and the proliferation of other forms of entertain him that are out there. it's not the 19th century when people went to the lincoln debates for entertainment. people have so many different choices and colbert merged entertainment with serious politics and was able to get a message through. >> he was able to teach what a pact is. diewnched it's interesting they -- do you find it interesting they don't go to the newspaper, fox news, it was co-bare. >> it's the insiders who like to read new yorker and c shf span it's the masses who are not interested in eating vegetables, you have to dip it in chocolate. upts to give them truitt -- you want to give them fruit you ever to dip it in chocolate. when you're entertaining, you mix it, it doesn't feel like it's in school. >> when we were kids almost we know how much a bill becomes a law watching schoolhouse rock. civics are not taught in school any more. you get wherever you can. how many people do i run into they do not have an-year-old what a block captain does versus a ward leader or committee person. now you have an entertainer who uses sources whether a newspapers used to do. >> let's talk about pennsylvania state government which appears will be trimmed down the line it takes forever with these things, but there's one step in the trimming direction, if you will. they are trying to eliminate 55 ledge -- ledgelegislator seats. pennsylvania has the biggest legislature and the most expensive after california and new york. >> you did mention a leadup. they proposed cutting the judiciary i'll speak to my fell experts which is absolutely ridiculous. pennsylvania has -- 17 other states has more justices and the superior court has significant backlog, nobody why they added the judiciary to the constitutional amendment. it's reform it's still pennsylvania and they have to vote on themselves in two concurrent sessions which means two years. >> jeff is right, nobody should hold their breath even for this one. under the most optimistic scenario it would wait until the 20/20 consensus is completed. we're talking about 2022 election. it's a good idea, i'm surprised it has gotten as far as its gotten in both houses of the legislature. i don't think it goes far enough. i think the judiciary was thrown in to say everybody sacrifice here. if you meant a radical pro asal, go -- proposal go uni like michigan did. >> if you want to consolidate power in the hands of the fewer, then let's talk about saving a few pennies or a few dollars in the longer context that will be a tear drop in a rainstorm. in terms of power consolidation fewer numbers of legislatures that's what you want -- >> in vermont they have a large legislature they make $100 a year, ours makes 84,000 a year. >> when you look at it enmalice, it's millions of -- enmass, it's millions of dollars, we're talking about billions of dollars. it's far less than the overall spending. people are saying i can't stand this lawmaker, they are sitting around and doing nothing, blah blah, it's not getting to the heart of reform. if you want to limit the power, already people say i don't have enough face time with our legislator. >> let's talk about the local newspaper industry that had its bumps in the last two decades, they had a events takes place when lewis katz was killed in a plane crash. now his son will step on board with gerry lynn fest, do think any pause in this will be hard on the stafferrer, waiting for something good to happen. 2008 economy went bankrupt, now another change and a death. do you think it's one more thing. >> people are excited. >> clearly a tragedy for the katz family, he gave by the way a great commencement address on may 15th which is up on the temple website if anyone wants to see it. but one of the great things that's happened already since the change of ownership or the clarity of other than there's two comments columns. >> a lot of people i've been speaking with in the newsroom they feel heartened they think we're on the right path. they feel good built leadership. we were talking about youthful leadership drew katz is a younger man to try to offer new insights. people are optimistic and hopeful even though they are trying to get through a tough time. >> we have a former inside panelist, was a former owner of the newspaper is being brought on as an advisor. else a deep think, regardless of the past experience, it was financial. i think you'll see a substance focus on journalism. i think inquirer and the media entities they don't focus on the journalist solution focus it's a snapshot of problems. >> all right we'll have more inside story after this, stay with us. >> welcome back to inside story, budget issues are forcing the philadelphia archdiocese to close 16 additional parishes, a lot of folks upset because their local parish is closing. attendance is down 15% from a decade ago. that's a challenge. donations continue to fall. they are trying to really get the best number of people in the right spot without hurting the church overall. fewer priest available overall. where do you think this is heading. it's decision hartening it's -- heartening its continuing to happen. >> it is. you didn't see as much about this this time, reveals is -- vis-a-vis lewis katz passing. the church i would give them credit for how they are communicating they have learned tough lessons. doesn't seem like the trend will turnover. >> is it a sign of the times people are more overt in their religion off? >> you have orderly generation that is dieing off. some of the parishes are not clear what the criteria is as far as this church closes and this church merges i think that needs to be communicated out. if it is going to be a kind of of renewal and rebirth you ever to cut down and go back. >> the archdiocese had the money to bailout monsignor lynn from the child abuse charges and launch a legal challenge against the affordable care act and contraception. >> it's a question of priorities where the church wants to spend its money. >> if you were a member of the church would it be disheartened on that. >> sounds like a lot of parishners are not happy with the choices the archdiocese has made. >> how do you feel about that ajay do you feel on owe -- do they stand on religious principal or moral principle. it's not just about catholic faith, but faith in general. people are not using churches and temps as a beacon that everybody comes together for community. there are different organizations and entities and pockets of folks that fill that void for folks today. in the past you had a center for economic job creation with a center for togetherness and faith and renewal. people are moving on. there are fewer block busters today because -- blockbusters today because there's netflix. to the larger point, the social issues those are decision that are made at one level may not be symbiotic with the parishners. >> there's the convocation of families coming up next year that will be a tremendous expenditure. >> new jersey elections the race for rob andrew's seat is heating up, it's pitting john new craft against gary cobb who is a republican. let's start with jan because he is a legal professor. >> i'm more interested in the senate rails -- race where jeff bellows is taking on corey booker. what chance do you have knocking off a celebrity senator. >> he said in 1970, there was a jeff bell knocked off case. >> republicans they are going to be competitive. gary cobb looking for someone outside the mainstream. whistles pleased from a competitive standpoint was mcarthur winning against lonegan. new jersey said no, i think that's going to be a competitive race in congress. i think it bodies well to have -- bodies -- bod. he -- bodes well for them. >> inside stories of the week coming up next. stay with us. >> time for inside stories of the week, let's start with jeff. >> we have an interesting three weeks coming up in harrisburg. our budget is dubai june 30. -- due by june 30. i look for governor corbett becoming more flexible could we see an extraction tax for the gas industry. could we get movement on the state liquor stores being sold. medical marijuana look out for these issues coming up in the next few weeks. >> you are saying the money would be applied to education. >> we have a 500 million-dollar gap in expenditures versus revenues, something needs to be done. >> thanks to obama administration lacks i immigratn enforcement policy we're experiencing an surge of immigration at our southern border, so much so unaccompanied minors are crossing in record numbers. the number is up 90% this year over last year, 90,000 unaccompanied minors are expected to cross the border into the united states this fiscal year alone they get housing and schools and support and medicaid, it's a tremendous mendsous problem for the administration among the many scandal that they are dealing with. >> ajay. >> monica, last night the green tree school honored steve harm harmalin. he was the quarterback for moving the barns to center city he was the architect one of the main players with the constitution center to get a historical document in philadelphia. when you listener to it, it sound like four different people who were getting the award, he is a unique and great leader. a partner in my firm. >> on this show we bee -- bemoan the fact that we we have too many single households. the father's day rally encourages father to come out and be involved in the the their sons and daughter. dr. bill could cosby will be th. it will be a baseball game at the end of the event. >> thanks for the insiders for their ideas, and thank you for watching. hope to see you back here next 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constitutional republic. it puts even president nixon to shame. >> if the truth doesn't matter, we are lost. no constitution could protect us. right doesn't matter anymore. >> president trump tried to cheat. he got caught. and then he worked hard to cover it up. >> juan: partisanship has been running high all weekend it looks like neither side is willing to break from their position. yesterday's arguments by the house managers was precise, was dramatic, was emotional. >> i don't know about you but it became mind-numbing after a while. >> i look around at the republican members, a lot of what they are hearing, they don't want to hear. they don't want to hear the true facts. >> i got the general point you are trying to make the fourth time you told me. they are over trying their case, and i would just urge them to not do that, because eventually it gets just hard to follow. >> juan: tomorrow, i think people are trying to figure out exactly how the president's team begins. if i understand it they are going to have about two or three hours beginning at 10:00 a.m. going forward. what do you expect? >> jesse: i expect amazing performances by the defense team, dazzling. a thrill is going to go up my leg. i want to talk to you in a language only you understand and that is the language of polling. because the first poll came out after all this garbage we heard all week and guess what, to use your words, guess what, 51% say do not remove the president. only 45% say. 58% say he is getting a fair trial and his approval rating is at 47%. like we saw in the house, the longer the american people listen to these democrats to drone on and on and on, support for impeachment drops. the democrats have put all their political capital on impeachment. they didn't do it with health care, they decided not to rebuild america, they decided to not talk about loans, they went after political revenge and they are going to pay a price for it. i didn't read the room because this country was so exhausted for three years. investigation after investigation and finally when mueller said no collusion, everyone in the country kind of exhaled. what did the democrats do? they teed up a swing with the whistle-blower and put us all through this again. hearing after hearing, constitutional crisis after crisis. at the end of the day, 70%, that is the approval rating for congress, which is horrific. they didn't put one single fact witness on in the last six months to say the president committed a crime, or the president should be impeached. member those videos cosmic the house hearings customer called the democrat witnesses themselves that i didn't witness a crime, i didn't see anything impeachable. that is on tape and you will see that tomorrow. americans watch so much television. when you promise to deliver the goods, a smoking gun, and you don't deliver they're going to turn the channel, and that is what has happened. to lead with an abuse of power article is so vague. anyone can interpret that whatever way they want. it is so flimsy. then obstruction by asking a judge to get involved? everyone knows when you have two parties, you are in dispute, you go to a judge and he settles it. that is not an impeachable offense. if you watch this from a big picture perspective and you watch fox, because fox is the only network that will tell you the truth, jerry nadler himself voted against the legal aid to ukraine. joe biden himself is on tape bragging about a quid pro quo. hillary clinton herself paid for an agent to dig up dirt on the political opponent in an election year. >> juan: this is what you will make as a case tomorrow morning if you were representing the president? >> jesse: they should just play "the five." the audio, visual. [laughter] >> juan: can i second that? i think that is exactly what they should do. that would be awesome. >> dana: we should tape an extra special one for them tonight. >> jesse>> jesse: >> juan: the r breaking news today is a bc sayy have a recording, apparently mae by lev parnas, that has him at a dinner with the president, and the president saying, let's get rid of yovanovitch, who was the ambassador to ukraine at the time. >> dana: it seems to me these are well-timed little leaks and there will probably be some more. i wouldn't put it past somebody to have some other thing or tape on sunday night, going into monday morning when people start to pay attention again. the white house basically said, i don't remember. they said they didn't know him beforehand, now they are like, this isn't a big deal because she could've been fired anyway, et cetera. it will be something i guess they try to bring into it but remember, the house went to vote for impeachment with information and evidence it had at the time. then they rolled the dice to see if the senate would actually complete their homework, and the senate, especially the so-called moderate members. moderate now means if you are polite. but even lisa murkowski is saying, wait, you didn't go through the courts. it's afforded to all of us to be able to do and i think the obstruction article is very weak and that is probably what they are arguing right now. i think the summary by adam schiff with a kitchen sink summary. he threw everything in there. all the grievances. this is a grievance at trial. i thought it was making the election argument and they kept saying the president is going to do bad things in the future, that is not what a trial is supposed to be about and if you're arguing about things you are doing in the future, there is a remedy for you and that is to try to win an election in nine months. >> juan: what i was struck by was the support for the close by adam schiff last night. i just heard lots of people talking about it. schiff said something to the effect of, if you don't respect the truth, if you don't understand what's right, than the constitution can't protect us, the founders can't protect us. what is your take? >> greg: well, i didn't watch it. i have a lot of people who are saying how wrong it is. the new criticism right now from the slobbering cheerleaders is that there is something wrong with you if you find it boring or repetitious. it's like a director blaming the audience when the movie flops because their movie is for two long and no one wants to see "heaven's gate." old, old statement. but you are the problem. by the way, i saw something in the green room, the only time i watched it before the show was sylvia garcia saying it was a cover-up in plain sight. a cover-up in plain sight. it's not a cover-up if it's in plain sight. the point is, i go back to what dana said, which is let's get highlighter. [laughter] >> jesse: wow. >> greg: you don't have to listen to the lawyers because it's all opinions! there are no fact witnesses, it's what all judges tell jurors. you listen to the witnesses who were there, you don't listen to the lawyers because the lawyers are spinning and spinning a story. you have to remember this, the most important thing you should take away from my blathering voice, these lawyers, we are poison from the start, okay? they are the main players from three to four years ago vowing to impeach trump. these are the same people running the show. would you take that seriously cosmic should the media take that seriously if all they were doing was waiting to do this for four years customer you have to refuse to listen to their opinions and arguments if that is the case. it's a bad batch of reheated opinions. >> juan: all right, the president has been tweeting up a storm. he set a record for tweeting. today he tweeted the impeachment hoax is interfering with the 2020 election, but that was the idea behind the radical left do-nothing scam attack. they always knew i did nothing wrong. >> katie: well, they alleged he has done lots of things wrong. but he is fighting back on that. it does damage to the democrats in terms of their primary process. it's all beneficial to joe bid joe biden, who nobody except for lindsey graham and republicans in the senate seem to want to look into. but the politics of this have always been at the forefront. adam schiff, who was the lead impeachment manager on this, try to make the argument that this is all about the mueller investigation. if you are a republican senator or even someone like joe manchin who is a democrat sitting and listening to this argument, you are going, this is a really bad sequel of the really bad mueller testimony we saw a year ago. it proves what the president has been saying all along. the mueller investigation and now this ukraine impeachment trial that is moving forward is all about the 2020 election and trying to bloodied him up to damage him and to gain what they could, politically come out of it because they didn't have anything else. >> juan: coming up, the intense battle over impeachment witnesses. it's ramping up. plus what president trump is now saying about the impeachment trial. next on "the five." i wish i had gone into aspen dental much sooner. when you're not able to smile, you become closed off. having to live with bad teeth for so long was extremely depressing. now, i know how happy i am. there was all the feeling good about myself that i missed and all of the feeling bad about myself that was unnecessary. at aspen dental, we're all about yes. like yes to free exams and x-rays for new patients without insurance. yes to flexible hours and payment options. and yes, whenever you're ready to get started, we are too. don't wait, book at aspendental.com or call today. a general dentistry office. a more secure diaper closure. there were babies involved... and they weren't saying much. that's what we do at 3m, we listen to people, even those who don't have a voice. we are people helping people. doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacist-recommendeding? 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because they know it will just confirm to every american that everything the president is doing, has done in this whole sad saga, everything the president's lawyers are doing, everything republican senators are doing is just political. they: hunter biden, someone totally unrelated to the charges against the president. >> dana: meanwhile, they are getting high marks from the media. >> i don't think anyone knew that it would be impassioned there from congressman adam schiff. >> very emotional closing from the lead impeachment manager. >> to me, it was very strong, passionate, thoughtful, cogent, all those things. >> his emotional appeal to a sense of what's right. to a sense of what is right for the country. >> you heard a powerfully emotional, direct statement to the president. >> dana: president trump is taking issue to the fact that their legal team have to start the defense on saturday. looks like my lawyers will be forced to start on saturday, just called death valley in tv, but we won't tell "fox & frien "fox & friends" that. we tease this segment by saying the call for witnesses is ramping up. i actually think for the few senators that were on the fence it feels like it is ramping down, based on the smoke signals they are sending. >> there are two reasons why appear the first is democrats key repeating their argument. he said, you told me four times, that is twice too many beer there sank a meet on of a case begging us to do all this legal work for you so you have more to talk about to drag this out. if mitt romney as reported is fine throughout this process i doubt that he and the moderates are going to want to extend this any further. the house called the witnesses that they said were important, they didn't call john bolton and go through the court system to force him to testify. if they want to go down that road, they also said they don't want to trade either. the argument they're making is that democrats are the only ones who are allowed to call witnesses, that is not going to fly. hundred biden, i'm sure, may not be called as a witness for impeachment but based on what lindsey graham said today, he may be called to testify at a senate judiciary committee hearing for more oversight. >> dana: that means i guess it won't end but if the democrats over the weekend start to realize, like some of those poll numbers jesse talked about in the a block, that interest is waning, the numbers aren't moving and it looks like they are not going to get the witnesses, do they just decide to get this over with as quickly as possible and get back to the campaign trail? >> juan: wow, no. first of all, i just disagree with the premise. the same "washington post" poll finds two-thirds, 66% of americans think in order to have a fair trial you should be able to introduce new witnesses and evidence. >> jesse: republicans that want to see hunter testify. >> juan: oh, please. listen, do americans think that the president did something wrong? it's like 63%, including a third of republicans. the point, and this is the point jesse was trying to make, he did something wrong but i'm not sure he should be removed from office. that's the difference. but you have a high percentage of people who want witnesses and that creates public pressure. it's pressure, not only on the senate as a whole but it's pressure, specifically, on the moderate republicans. >> dana: that pressure would dissipate pretty quickly. the news cycle moves so quickly. if they decide not to do witnesses, the democrats cut a bunch of ads against the republicans but is that going to matter? >> greg: two points. the argument by the dems about witnesses is a joke because it is not your place, shut up. you had your chance. he boasted you had an airtight case. too late! and it's simply backfilling your three year obsession so there's no point discussing it, it's not going to happen. i don't see how the media cannot step aside and wonder why they like it. it's because the show is for them. the reason why they like it is because it is designed for them. impeachment is the birthday clown for the brass and the party hats known as the media be at the trial, another analogy, is like the hotel blacklight that reveals the stain of bias on the media mattress. >> jesse: thank you very much. >> dana: did anyone say anything about your new hairdo? >> greg: no, because i find it is creating quite a storm on the social medias. i'm letting it grow out. it's not quite on the level of -- >> dana: it's not awake. >> greg: unlike jesse, this is real. >> dana: do you feel like greg is trying to copy your hair cut? >> jesse: a little bit, but i'm flattered. what did they say about copying? highest form of flattery. >> greg: cnn is going to write, during impeachment, "the five" discusses hair. that is your story. >> dana: do you have a prediction on how the witnesses boat is going to go customer asked me when there will be no witnesses and here is why. there are no moderate senators under any pressure to call witnesses. the pressure will be from there base if they voted to call witnesses and make this thing drag out for another month. you know how long this trial would take if they try to subpoena john bolton? it would take until june! and that is what the democrats want. they want to drag this out and make this thing long and painful. >> dana: even then i don't think -- i think the president would prevail on executive privilege. >> jesse: then you have this ongoing -- >> juan: but he doesn't work for the president anymore. >> dana: now, you're protected for the work you did at the time. >> juan: but he can come now just like he can write a book. he is he is not covered by executive privilege right now. that is a bogus argument. while this person, national security advisor, bolton is gone. >> jesse: bolton doesn't want to show up -- >> juan: yes, he said he wants to show up! you know what i think? 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spea>> dana: on march 4th theres going to be a hearing on the supreme court on a significant d case that is coming up through the courts to louisiana, and what's different now is you have brett kavanaugh and supreme court neil gorsuch on the court, so the judges have made a difference and there could be more to come on that. i think it also served to solidify his report. he has earned their devotion and these are people who are active voters and are not the kind that will just limit. they will actually go out and knock on doors, make sure their neighbors get there. however, i do think, the way the politics of this works, planned parenthood is going to dump a bunch of money into it and cecile richards, who used to run planned parenthood started a new group called super majority. they are contributing a huge amount and increases the fervor on both sides. >> jesse: are you feeling any further request mark >> greg: yes, i am. chris cuomo said, how dare you go after a kid? jesse, how dare you go after a chris cuomo. that is worse than attacking a child for a number of reasons. why does this story keep happening? he see this with cavanaugh, covington, and recently at the virginia gun rally were nothing happened. the media keeps committing these offenses because they are never forced to learn. they never learn from their mistakes until nick sandmann suit, thank god. i think it is really about class. the media is an elite class that is separated from the rest of america. these are people who are overly educated. most of them went to journalism school, which is thoroughly unnecessary. for the media to actually improve they have to open their doors to people who do not go to journalism school, who may not go to college at all. there was a time when people were journalists who didn't have a college education. it wasn't that long ago but now you've got these completely isolated, secluded, elite snobs who looked down at people who are pro-life or catholic kids or whoever. you just see them as aliens. a space aliens that they can degrade and mock and that is how you get these stories, that is how you get the gun rights story. every time a story is wrong it is because of that class difference. >> jesse: how do you think the mainstream media treats the pro-life movement? >> juan: it is incredible to me that no matter what channel i'm watching or radio station i'm listening to or newspaper i pick up, they give equal coverage to the pro-life movement or march and a pro-choice movement or march. it's always treated as, we are going to cover both sides. but you look at the numbers, abc poll on "the wall street journal," 60% of americans think abortion should be legal in all or most cases. in fact, gallup has new numbers out that say there is more discontent right now with abortion law in the country. why is that? more people who are pro-choice feel there is more and more restriction being put in place on abortion, and they don't like it. they say they are not happy right now with abortion law in the country. that is where the energy and the passion is coming from. to me, when i see the president do this, as someone who has been around a while, i saw a ronald reagan. ronald reagan didn't do this. george w. bush, his dad, none of them did it. why does donald trump think this is good? it divides the country. excuse me, let me finish. i don't doubt that those people felt fiercely. all of us sitting here might have some strong opinion, but the president of the united states hammering this culture war issue to his political benefit is expedient. this is a guy who was pro-choice for most of his life -- >> greg: godfrey but he change his mind. that is a stupid argument. >> juan: why is it stupid? what did he say when he put brett kavanaugh on the court? i'm not going to talk about abortion, now he is talking about it. >> greg: in the old days they had a unique way of looking at abortion. like war, it is evil and wrong but sometimes it is necessary. that is how pro-choicers use to look at it. it is almost middle-of-the-road. i can understand, abortion is like war. pro-choice has changed so much that if you voice any of the slightest thought that a late-term abortion is bad, you are wrong. pro-choice has changed at such an extreme level that you have to run out there and explained that abortion is great! >> juan: you know what has changed? pro-life people because republicans used to be big advocates of family planning, until you got into a situation where they thought there was some political benefit to it. >> dana: republicans and conservatives have been, for over-the-counter birth control. >> juanbut go back how far? >> juan: the last 50 years, the big change has come from the right, not the left. >> jesse: very divisive issue, obviously. liz warren gets called out by a voter over her radical plan to just cancel student debt. see it next. ♪ ♪ wean air force veteran made of doing what's right,. not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa ♪ >> katie: elizabeth warren has a controversial plan to wipe out $640 billion in student loan debt and make college free but that proposal is not sitting well with voters who worked very hard to pay off their loans. check this out. >> one question, my daughter is getting out of school, i saved all my money so she doesn't have any student loans. am i going to get my money back? you're going to pay for people who didn't save any money, yet those of us who did the right thing get screwed? of course we do, my buddy bought a car, went on vacation, i saved my money. he made more than i did. i worked a double shift, so you are laughing at me. that is exactly what you're doing. we did the right thing and we get screwed. >> katie: elizabeth warren is indignant they are saying, of course you're not going to get your money back. >> dana: a lot of these democratic ideas sound great but then they flounder under the first question appeared how are you going to pay for that customer i think about someone who was close to me who recently paid off her student loans from the university and that was ten years. she had no extra spending money but she paid it all off and she's really proud of the fact that she did that but she is not going to get anything more and she is in competition with all these other kids as well. >> katie: we hear a lot of arguments about fairness from the left, it's only fair to get rid of the student loan debt, only fair to give free college to everybody while texting everybody else, it's really not fair for those who worked for their kids to get out of college debt free without being a burden to other people. >> juan: i'm in the same group with him but i have a different attitude about it. if you think of something like health care, you would say, there used to be that the elderly in this country, if they didn't have the money, they were in trouble. but now we have social security, and that we have medicare and medicaid. so should we go backwards? no, we want to improve as a society. we want to do better. i think the society benefits from a higher level of education, in my opinion. i just think this is an improvement. i understand his frustration, he did the right thing, he is a great man and a great family man. but i don't see why that is an argument against helping people who are burdened by student de debt? >> katie: aren't government policies like the one elizabeth warren is sponsoring responsible for the student loan debt for making it seem like everyone has to go to college? >> greg: there are more administrators than there are professors. but the democrats' worst enemy as a follow-up question. that is the most obvious question. you're going to be fazed by someone who already paid beer they're going to be angry and they say, why is it i did the right thing and i'm getting punished and the person not doing the right thing is benefiting? if you don't have an answer for that trump is going to roll over you. who is this benefiting? it's benefiting a specific class, right? this is benefiting the upper-middle-class gender studies major. if you really want to cancel debt, why not carlos? everybody has got a car. why wouldn't we do that? at that point you will never get another car loan? there is no logic. she is just promising something free, it will never happen. >> jesse: i think we all know when a father comes up to you and dad is mad and dad has done the right thing and he is upset, you don't laugh at dad. you don't just blow off dad because he has done a lot of hard work to make sure his family does better than he did and that is what she is doing. she is buying votes, but only buying votes from debtors. not sabers. if you save, you are a sucker. you got screwed. now you're mad at your neighbor who didn't save and got bailed out and that is why trump got elected in the first place. because wall street and the rich people get bailouts. poor people get handouts. and everybody in the middle who did the right thing get nothing. >> katie: she didn't even try to sympathize with him. >> dana: she didn't say, this is a complicated issue. whammo, your daughter. why not, your daughter , she is so wonderful, what does she want to study? 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jesse? me wasn't it? >> jesse: oh, dr. j. >> greg: you asked him for an autograph and he said no! >> jesse: no, that is another athlete. no, i got dr. jay's autograph in the tunnel and then i lost it. >> greg: i have a similar story, i lost something in a tunnel as well. dana? >> dana: i think it is john elway. a former broncos quarterback. i don't think he would remember me, though. >> greg: he's going to call right now going, dana, i love you. >> katie: i can't remember but i almost ran over geraldo herrera at the university of arizona library on accident. he was walking from a book signing it i almost ran him over so i kind of met him. >> greg: and almost killed him. >> katie: sorry. >> juan: depends on your definition of fame, because i was like a rookie reporter during college at the bulls and i met the mayor and stuff like that. frank rizzo. but i remember one day, martina was walking through the newsroom and i thought, wow, that is awesome. >> greg: i would say my mom because she is my mom, so that makes her famous. by martin milner, i went to a car show in south san francisco and you know how they always have celebrities? i waited in line. >> dana: i have another one, larry wilcox. my mom and he went to high school together and at the high school reunion i met him in wyoming and i think he watches the show. hey, larry. >> greg: what was his name and "chips." >> dana: larry while cox is better. >> greg: erik estrada is my favorite. leave it there. one emerging technology are you excited by and why? >> katie: jet packs. i've got to goober myself away from traffic on a jet pack, but one that freezes your body so you're not freezing. >> greg: a little tube. any technology you're looking forward to? >> juan: i love voice recognition, so you don't have to push buttons or program things, so i think it would be great if i didn't have to, when i go upstairs, right in my password repeatedly. if i could just say something repeatedly. >> greg: what is that password? just say it and i will record it. there is a lot of voice recognition going on now. >> jesse: i discovered this app, you punch this thing in and all of a sudden you can order groceries and then they are delivered to your house. >> dana: you just discovered that? >> jesse: it is amazing, i never have to go to the grocery store again. it's emerging. >> greg: no, that's here. you need a dictionary. >> jesse: i'm a little behind the times. >> dana: the voice tech then, emily compagno sent me a text yesterday and i responded using voice text because i was walking and it was a scheduling question and i looked at it this morning and it had me saying the f word to her. i apologized. i didn't say that. i am excited for the thing you have in your laundry room where it folds the clothes for you. >> greg: it's called a maid, dana. don't pretend you don't have one. my email about what happens when artificial intelligence -- imagine when they start painting. when you think about it, artificial intelligence, if they start painting, every painting is going to look like a picture because it is going to be perfect. he wouldn't be able to notice. a painting of you will be a photograph. >> dana: hopefully it will be better. >> greg: then you realize how crappy all human art is. it's a terrible painting. but if ai had done that lady, you know exactly what she looked like. >> dana: maybe it wasn't a lady. >> greg: you know what i'm talking about, america. 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constitutional republic. it puts even president nixon to shame. >> if the truth doesn't matter, we are lost. no constitution could protect us. right doesn't matter anymore. >> president trump tried to cheat. he got caught. and then he worked hard to cover it up. >> juan: partisanship has been running high all weekend it looks like neither side is willing to break from their position. yesterday's arguments by the house managers was precise, was dramatic, was emotional. >> i don't know about you but it became mind-numbing after a while. >> i look around at the republican members, a lot of what they are hearing, they don't want to hear. they don't want to hear the true facts. >> i got the general point you are trying to make the fourth time you told me. they are over trying their case, and i would just urge them to not do that, because eventually it gets just hard to follow. >> juan: tomorrow, i think people are trying to figure out exactly how the president's team begins. if i understand it they are going to have about two or three hours beginning at 10:00 a.m. going forward. what do you expect? >> jesse: i expect amazing performances by the defense team, dazzling. a thrill is going to go up my leg. i want to talk to you in a language only you understand and that is the language of polling. because the first poll came out after all this garbage we heard all week and guess what, to use your words, guess what, 51% say do not remove the president. only 45% say. 58% say he is getting a fair trial and his approval rating is at 47%. like we saw in the house, the longer the american people listen to these democrats to drone on and on and on, support for impeachment drops. the democrats have put all their political capital on impeachment. they didn't do it with health care, they decided not to rebuild america, they decided to not talk about loans, they went after political revenge and they are going to pay a price for it. i didn't read the room because this country was so exhausted for three years. investigation after investigation and finally when mueller said no collusion, everyone in the country kind of exhaled. what did the democrats do? they teed up a swing with the whistle-blower and put us all through this again. hearing after hearing, constitutional crisis after crisis. at the end of the day, 70%, that is the approval rating for congress, which is horrific. they didn't put one single fact witness on in the last six months to say the president committed a crime, or the president should be impeached. member those videos cosmic the house hearings customer called the democrat witnesses themselves that i didn't witness a crime, i didn't see anything impeachable. that is on tape and you will see that tomorrow. americans watch so much television. when you promise to deliver the goods, a smoking gun, and you don't deliver they're going to turn the channel, and that is what has happened. to lead with an abuse of power article is so vague. anyone can interpret that whatever way they want. it is so flimsy. then obstruction by asking a judge to get involved? everyone knows when you have two parties, you are in dispute, you go to a judge and he settles it. that is not an impeachable offense. if you watch this from a big picture perspective and you watch fox, because fox is the only network that will tell you the truth, jerry nadler himself voted against the legal aid to ukraine. joe biden himself is on tape bragging about a quid pro quo. hillary clinton herself paid for an agent to dig up dirt on the political opponent in an election year. >> juan: this is what you will make as a case tomorrow morning if you were representing the president? >> jesse: they should just play "the five." the audio, visual. [laughter] >> juan: can i second that? i think that is exactly what they should do. that would be awesome. >> dana: we should tape an extra special one for them tonight. >> jesse>> jesse: >> juan: the r breaking news today is a bc sayy have a recording, apparently mae by lev parnas, that has him at a dinner with the president, and the president saying, let's get rid of yovanovitch, who was the ambassador to ukraine at the time. >> dana: it seems to me these are well-timed little leaks and there will probably be some more. i wouldn't put it past somebody to have some other thing or tape on sunday night, going into monday morning when people start to pay attention again. the white house basically said, i don't remember. they said they didn't know him beforehand, now they are like, this isn't a big deal because she could've been fired anyway, et cetera. it will be something i guess they try to bring into it but remember, the house went to vote for impeachment with information and evidence it had at the time. then they rolled the dice to see if the senate would actually complete their homework, and the senate, especially the so-called moderate members. moderate now means if you are polite. but even lisa murkowski is saying, wait, you didn't go through the courts. it's afforded to all of us to be able to do and i think the obstruction article is very weak and that is probably what they are arguing right now. i think the summary by adam schiff with a kitchen sink summary. he threw everything in there. all the grievances. this is a grievance at trial. i thought it was making the election argument and they kept saying the president is going to do bad things in the future, that is not what a trial is supposed to be about and if you're arguing about things you are doing in the future, there is a remedy for you and that is to try to win an election in nine months. >> juan: what i was struck by was the support for the close by adam schiff last night. i just heard lots of people talking about it. schiff said something to the effect of, if you don't respect the truth, if you don't understand what's right, than the constitution can't protect us, the founders can't protect us. what is your take? >> greg: well, i didn't watch it. i have a lot of people who are saying how wrong it is. the new criticism right now from the slobbering cheerleaders is that there is something wrong with you if you find it boring or repetitious. it's like a director blaming the audience when the movie flops because their movie is for two long and no one wants to see "heaven's gate." old, old statement. but you are the problem. by the way, i saw something in the green room, the only time i watched it before the show was sylvia garcia saying it was a cover-up in plain sight. a cover-up in plain sight. it's not a cover-up if it's in plain sight. the point is, i go back to what dana said, which is let's get highlighter. [laughter] >> jesse: wow. >> greg: you don't have to listen to the lawyers because it's all opinions! there are no fact witnesses, it's what all judges tell jurors. you listen to the witnesses who were there, you don't listen to the lawyers because the lawyers are spinning and spinning a story. you have to remember this, the most important thing you should take away from my blathering voice, these lawyers, we are poison from the start, okay? they are the main players from three to four years ago vowing to impeach trump. these are the same people running the show. would you take that seriously cosmic should the media take that seriously if all they were doing was waiting to do this for four years customer you have to refuse to listen to their opinions and arguments if that is the case. it's a bad batch of reheated opinions. >> juan: all right, the president has been tweeting up a storm. he set a record for tweeting. today he tweeted the impeachment hoax is interfering with the 2020 election, but that was the idea behind the radical left do-nothing scam attack. they always knew i did nothing wrong. >> katie: well, they alleged he has done lots of things wrong. but he is fighting back on that. it does damage to the democrats in terms of their primary process. it's all beneficial to joe bid joe biden, who nobody except for lindsey graham and republicans in the senate seem to want to look into. but the politics of this have always been at the forefront. adam schiff, who was the lead impeachment manager on this, try to make the argument that this is all about the mueller investigation. if you are a republican senator or even someone like joe manchin who is a democrat sitting and listening to this argument, you are going, this is a really bad sequel of the really bad mueller testimony we saw a year ago. it proves what the president has been saying all along. the mueller investigation and now this ukraine impeachment trial that is moving forward is all about the 2020 election and trying to bloodied him up to damage him and to gain what they could, politically come out of it because they didn't have anything else. >> juan: coming up, the intense battle over impeachment witnesses. it's ramping up. plus what president trump is now saying about the impeachment trial. next on "the five." alexa tell me about neptune's sorrow. it's a master stroke of heartache and redemption. the lexus nx. modern utility for modern obstacles. lease the 2020 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. you can't always stop for a fingerstick.betes with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us. the ups and downs of frequent mood swings can plunge you into deep, depressive lows. 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because they know it will just confirm to every american that everything the president is doing, has done in this whole sad saga, everything the president's lawyers are doing, everything republican senators are doing is just political. they: hunter biden, someone totally unrelated to the charges against the president. >> dana: meanwhile, they are getting high marks from the media. >> i don't think anyone knew that it would be impassioned there from congressman adam schiff. >> very emotional closing from the lead impeachment manager. >> to me, it was very strong, passionate, thoughtful, cogent, all those things. >> his emotional appeal to a sense of what's right. to a sense of what is right for the country. >> you heard a powerfully emotional, direct statement to the president. >> dana: president trump is taking issue to the fact that their legal team have to start the defense on saturday. looks like my lawyers will be forced to start on saturday, just called death valley in tv, but we won't tell "fox & frien "fox & friends" that. we tease this segment by saying the call for witnesses is ramping up. i actually think for the few senators that were on the fence it feels like it is ramping down, based on the smoke signals they are sending. >> there are two reasons why appear the first is democrats key repeating their argument. he said, you told me four times, that is twice too many beer there sank a meet on of a case begging us to do all this legal work for you so you have more to talk about to drag this out. if mitt romney as reported is fine throughout this process i doubt that he and the moderates are going to want to extend this any further. the house called the witnesses that they said were important, they didn't call john bolton and go through the court system to force him to testify. if they want to go down that road, they also said they don't want to trade either. the argument they're making is that democrats are the only ones who are allowed to call witnesses, that is not going to fly. hundred biden, i'm sure, may not be called as a witness for impeachment but based on what lindsey graham said today, he may be called to testify at a senate judiciary committee hearing for more oversight. >> dana: that means i guess it won't end but if the democrats over the weekend start to realize, like some of those poll numbers jesse talked about in the a block, that interest is waning, the numbers aren't moving and it looks like they are not going to get the witnesses, do they just decide to get this over with as quickly as possible and get back to the campaign trail? >> juan: wow, no. first of all, i just disagree with the premise. the same "washington post" poll finds two-thirds, 66% of americans think in order to have a fair trial you should be able to introduce new witnesses and evidence. >> jesse: republicans that want to see hunter testify. >> juan: oh, please. listen, do americans think that the president did something wrong? it's like 63%, including a third of republicans. the point, and this is the point jesse was trying to make, he did something wrong but i'm not sure he should be removed from office. that's the difference. but you have a high percentage of people who want witnesses and that creates public pressure. it's pressure, not only on the senate as a whole but it's pressure, specifically, on the moderate republicans. >> dana: that pressure would dissipate pretty quickly. the news cycle moves so quickly. if they decide not to do witnesses, the democrats cut a bunch of ads against the republicans but is that going to matter? >> greg: two points. the argument by the dems about witnesses is a joke because it is not your place, shut up. you had your chance. he boasted you had an airtight case. too late! and it's simply backfilling your three year obsession so there's no point discussing it, it's not going to happen. i don't see how the media cannot step aside and wonder why they like it. it's because the show is for them. the reason why they like it is because it is designed for them. impeachment is the birthday clown for the brass and the party hats known as the media be at the trial, another analogy, is like the hotel blacklight that reveals the stain of bias on the media mattress. >> jesse: thank you very much. >> dana: did anyone say anything about your new hairdo? >> greg: no, because i find it is creating quite a storm on the social medias. i'm letting it grow out. it's not quite on the level of -- >> dana: it's not awake. >> greg: unlike jesse, this is real. >> dana: do you feel like greg is trying to copy your hair cut? >> jesse: a little bit, but i'm flattered. what did they say about copying? highest form of flattery. >> greg: cnn is going to write, during impeachment, "the five" discusses hair. that is your story. >> dana: do you have a prediction on how the witnesses boat is going to go customer asked me when there will be no witnesses and here is why. there are no moderate senators under any pressure to call witnesses. the pressure will be from there base if they voted to call witnesses and make this thing drag out for another month. you know how long this trial would take if they try to subpoena john bolton? it would take until june! and that is what the democrats want. they want to drag this out and make this thing long and painful. >> dana: even then i don't think -- i think the president would prevail on executive privilege. >> jesse: then you have this ongoing -- >> juan: but he doesn't work for the president anymore. >> dana: now, you're protected for the work you did at the time. >> juan: but he can come now just like he can write a book. he is he is not covered by executive privilege right now. that is a bogus argument. while this person, national security advisor, bolton is gone. >> jesse: bolton doesn't want to show up -- >> juan: yes, he said he wants to show up! you know what i think? 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really, chris? who would ever go after a kid? speak of the face-to-face encounter, the man nathan phillips apparently wanted to defuse the tension and he walke. surely the kid, and exam it doesn't seem to be afraid, but he did make a choice and that was to make it into a standoff. that was not a good choice. >> jesse: that caused seen in a lot of money. explain your significance to the president speaking personally and physically there for the first time ever at a march for life rally. >> katie: it's been going on for 50 years, it's gotten bigger and bigger every year. as the dynamics of abortion politics change, younger people are more pro-abortion then their predecessors as they understand what abortion actually is. and the left has never been afraid to go to what abortion actually is when it comes to politics and fund-raising and the president is saying, i'm not afraid of controversy, i'm going to jump right in to people who are saying, yes, i'm going to knock on doors but not just allowing the left to have a monopoly on the conversation and every single democrat who is running for president right now will not talk about or condemn late-term abortion. there is no room there when it comes to these types of politi politics. always seen as the extremists but when you look at the way the left has handled these issues, they don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of what these things actually mean. the president isn't afraid to go there. i don't see it as necessarily controversial that he is going there, but i'm glad he's going to a movement that has been led by women for nearly five decad decades. >> jesse: do you expect that president and the campaign later in the year to die really hard into the abortion issue? spea>> dana: on march 4th theres going to be a hearing on the supreme court on a significant d case that is coming up through the courts to louisiana, and what's different now is you have brett kavanaugh and supreme court neil gorsuch on the court, so the judges have made a difference and there could be more to come on that. i think it also served to solidify his report. he has earned their devotion and these are people who are active voters and are not the kind that will just limit. they will actually go out and knock on doors, make sure their neighbors get there. however, i do think, the way the politics of this works, planned parenthood is going to dump a bunch of money into it and cecile richards, who used to run planned parenthood started a new group called super majority. they are contributing a huge amount and increases the fervor on both sides. >> jesse: are you feeling any further request mark >> greg: yes, i am. chris cuomo said, how dare you go after a kid? jesse, how dare you go after a chris cuomo. that is worse than attacking a child for a number of reasons. why does this story keep happening? he see this with cavanaugh, covington, and recently at the virginia gun rally were nothing happened. the media keeps committing these offenses because they are never forced to learn. they never learn from their mistakes until nick sandmann suit, thank god. i think it is really about class. the media is an elite class that is separated from the rest of america. these are people who are overly educated. most of them went to journalism school, which is thoroughly unnecessary. for the media to actually improve they have to open their doors to people who do not go to journalism school, who may not go to college at all. there was a time when people were journalists who didn't have a college education. it wasn't that long ago but now you've got these completely isolated, secluded, elite snobs who looked down at people who are pro-life or catholic kids or whoever. you just see them as aliens. a space aliens that they can degrade and mock and that is how you get these stories, that is how you get the gun rights story. every time a story is wrong it is because of that class difference. >> jesse: how do you think the mainstream media treats the pro-life movement? >> juan: it is incredible to me that no matter what channel i'm watching or radio station i'm listening to or newspaper i pick up, they give equal coverage to the pro-life movement or march and a pro-choice movement or march. it's always treated as, we are going to cover both sides. but you look at the numbers, abc poll on "the wall street journal," 60% of americans think abortion should be legal in all or most cases. in fact, gallup has new numbers out that say there is more discontent right now with abortion law in the country. why is that? more people who are pro-choice feel there is more and more restriction being put in place on abortion, and they don't like it. they say they are not happy right now with abortion law in the country. that is where the energy and the passion is coming from. to me, when i see the president do this, as someone who has been around a while, i saw a ronald reagan. ronald reagan didn't do this. george w. bush, his dad, none of them did it. why does donald trump think this is good? it divides the country. excuse me, let me finish. i don't doubt that those people felt fiercely. all of us sitting here might have some strong opinion, but the president of the united states hammering this culture war issue to his political benefit is expedient. this is a guy who was pro-choice for most of his life -- >> greg: godfrey but he change his mind. that is a stupid argument. >> juan: why is it stupid? what did he say when he put brett kavanaugh on the court? i'm not going to talk about abortion, now he is talking about it. >> greg: in the old days they had a unique way of looking at abortion. like war, it is evil and wrong but sometimes it is necessary. that is how pro-choicers use to look at it. it is almost middle-of-the-road. i can understand, abortion is like war. pro-choice has changed so much that if you voice any of the slightest thought that a late-term abortion is bad, you are wrong. pro-choice has changed at such an extreme level that you have to run out there and explained that abortion is great! >> juan: you know what has changed? 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of course we do, my buddy bought a car, went on vacation, i saved my money. he made more than i did. i worked a double shift, so you are laughing at me. that is exactly what you're doing. we did the right thing and we get screwed. >> katie: elizabeth warren is indignant they are saying, of course you're not going to get your money back. >> dana: a lot of these democratic ideas sound great but then they flounder under the first question appeared how are you going to pay for that customer i think about someone who was close to me who recently paid off her student loans from the university and that was ten years. she had no extra spending money but she paid it all off and she's really proud of the fact that she did that but she is not going to get anything more and she is in competition with all these other kids as well. >> katie: we hear a lot of arguments about fairness from the left, it's only fair to get rid of the student loan debt, only fair to give free college to everybody while texting everybody else, it's really not fair for those who worked for their kids to get out of college debt free without being a burden to other people. >> juan: i'm in the same group with him but i have a different attitude about it. if you think of something like health care, you would say, there used to be that the elderly in this country, if they didn't have the money, they were in trouble. but now we have social security, and that we have medicare and medicaid. so should we go backwards? no, we want to improve as a society. we want to do better. i think the society benefits from a higher level of education, in my opinion. i just think this is an improvement. i understand his frustration, he did the right thing, he is a great man and a great family man. but i don't see why that is an argument against helping people who are burdened by student de debt? >> katie: aren't government policies like the one elizabeth warren is sponsoring responsible for the student loan debt for making it seem like everyone has to go to college? >> greg: there are more administrators than there are professors. but the democrats' worst enemy as a follow-up question. that is the most obvious question. you're going to be fazed by someone who already paid beer they're going to be angry and they say, why is it i did the right thing and i'm getting punished and the person not doing the right thing is benefiting? if you don't have an answer for that trump is going to roll over you. who is this benefiting? it's benefiting a specific class, right? this is benefiting the upper-middle-class gender studies major. if you really want to cancel debt, why not carlos? everybody has got a car. why wouldn't we do that? at that point you will never get another car loan? there is no logic. she is just promising something free, it will never happen. >> jesse: i think we all know when a father comes up to you and dad is mad and dad has done the right thing and he is upset, you don't laugh at dad. you don't just blow off dad because he has done a lot of hard work to make sure his family does better than he did and that is what she is doing. she is buying votes, but only buying votes from debtors. not sabers. if you save, you are a sucker. you got screwed. now you're mad at your neighbor who didn't save and got bailed out and that is why trump got elected in the first place. because wall street and the rich people get bailouts. poor people get handouts. and everybody in the middle who did the right thing get nothing. >> katie: she didn't even try to sympathize with him. >> dana: she didn't say, this is a complicated issue. whammo, your daughter. why not, your daughter , she is so wonderful, what does she want to study? >> katie: of course you are getting screwed, that is the way it works. >> juan: the potter girl son >> juan: the prodigal son, y are you going to celebrate? that is not the issue, as the bible says. the community trying to do better. >> greg: using the bible. >> jesse: you want to open the floodgates on that one? >> dana: there is no such thing as free. we believe it right there. fan mail friday is up next. what i love most about being a scientist at 3m is that i'm part of a community of problem solvers. we make ideas grow. from an everyday solution... to one that can take on a bigger challenge. we are solving problems that improve lives. ♪ >> greg: fan mail friday, answering your questions. >> jesse: slow writer probably ripped that off. >> greg: yes, i think so. all right, who was the first famous person you met? jesse? me wasn't it? >> jesse: oh, dr. j. >> greg: you asked him for an autograph and he said no! >> jesse: no, that is another athlete. no, i got dr. jay's autograph in the tunnel and then i lost it. >> greg: i have a similar story, i lost something in a tunnel as well. dana? >> dana: i think it is john elway. a former broncos quarterback. i don't think he would remember me, though. >> greg: he's going to call right now going, dana, i love you. >> katie: i can't remember but i almost ran over geraldo herrera at the university of arizona library on accident. he was walking from a book signing it i almost ran him over so i kind of met him. >> greg: and almost killed him. >> katie: sorry. >> juan: depends on your definition of fame, because i was like a rookie reporter during college at the bulls and i met the mayor and stuff like that. frank rizzo. but i remember one day, martina was walking through the newsroom and i thought, wow, that is awesome. >> greg: i would say my mom because she is my mom, so that makes her famous. by martin milner, i went to a car show in south san francisco and you know how they always have celebrities? i waited in line. >> dana: i have another one, larry wilcox. my mom and he went to high school together and at the high school reunion i met him in wyoming and i think he watches the show. hey, larry. >> greg: what was his name and "chips." >> dana: larry while cox is better. >> greg: erik estrada is my favorite. leave it there. one emerging technology are you excited by and why? >> katie: jet packs. i've got to goober myself away from traffic on a jet pack, but one that freezes your body so you're not freezing. >> greg: a little tube. any technology you're looking forward to? >> juan: i love voice recognition, so you don't have to push buttons or program things, so i think it would be great if i didn't have to, when i go upstairs, right in my password repeatedly. if i could just say something repeatedly. >> greg: what is that password? just say it and i will record it. there is a lot of voice recognition going on now. >> jesse: i discovered this app, you punch this thing in and all of a sudden you can order groceries and then they are delivered to your house. >> dana: you just discovered that? >> jesse: it is amazing, i never have to go to the grocery store again. it's emerging. >> greg: no, that's here. you need a dictionary. >> jesse: i'm a little behind the times. >> dana: the voice tech then, emily compagno sent me a text yesterday and i responded using voice text because i was walking and it was a scheduling question and i looked at it this morning and it had me saying the f word to her. i apologized. i didn't say that. i am excited for the thing you have in your laundry room where it folds the clothes for you. >> greg: it's called a maid, dana. don't pretend you don't have one. my email about what happens when artificial intelligence -- imagine when they start painting. when you think about it, artificial intelligence, if they start painting, every painting is going to look like a picture because it is going to be perfect. he wouldn't be able to notice. a painting of you will be a photograph. >> dana: hopefully it will be better. >> greg: then you realize how crappy all human art is. it's a terrible painting. but if ai had done that lady, you know exactly what she looked like. >> dana: maybe it wasn't a lady. >> greg: you know what i'm talking about, america. 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we're going to show you coming up in the next few minutes but we have to talk first about what we've seen in the past 48 hours, the appalling targeting of reporters who are trying to tell america's story. there's so much that's so wrong about this situation. first and foremost, the video seen around the world, the video of george floyd's final minutes alive. it's so wrong that it's hard to see, but it is right that we look, it is right that we bear witness. and it is right to see protestors taking action as a result. but it is wrong to see reporters and photographers and news crews being assaulted and arrested at these protests. police firing rubber bullets at reporters when the reporters are holding up press badges, that doesn't belong in america. authorities handcuffing reporters is wrong. that's what happens in authoritarian regimes, not in america, but yet it happened again last night in minneapolis and in new york. these threats against the press are not just coming from police. in recent days protestors have ganged up on the press in several cities. we have seen photo journalists attacked, a tv news crew chased out of a park. that is wrong. rioting destroying tv news vehicles and destroying cameras is wrong. almost everybody knows this and it's right to call it out and say that america is better than this. reporters don't want to be the story. they just want to tell the stories of the protestors and the police, and the residents of these communities that want to be able to feel safe. let me show you some of the examples of what we've seen in terms of reporters seemingly being >> i'm getting shot. i'm getting -- >> this is a local cbsr the pol the station, but we've seen other reporters. here's dallas for example, other reporters being hit by rubber bullets, by tear gas. these situations we've seen in a number of different cities. i'll read some other examples to you. a reporter in columbia, south carolina was hit by a rock and had to be taken to the hospital. here's a freelance photographer in minneapolis who was shot in the left eye while covering the protests, blinded in one of her eyes as a result. in chicago, a reporter said looters shoved and stole her cameras. in d.c., a fox news crew was harassed and chased out of the park by protestors who were cursing and screaming at fox news and criticizing right wing media. this is deplorable behavior by protestors. we've also seen in las vegas the arrest of two photographers. police took these photographers into custody, completely appropriate. they were then let out the next morning. we need to follow up on these cases and make sure that people are held accountable when these incidents happen. reporters should not be in the story in these cases but it's happened again. overnight in new york city, a reporter for handcuuff post was arrested while wearing a police barge. in los angeles police firing tear gas and rubber bullets. a rioter cameraman said he was hit by rubber bullets and had to seek medical attention. a news crew for kcrw says the lapd shot at her with rubber bullets as she was holding her press badge above her head. we've seen protestors being the aggressi aggressors. a reporter in pittsburgh said they stomped and kicked me. i'm bruised and bloodied but alive. my camera was destroyed. another group of protestors pulled me out and saved my life. thank you. this is what's happening to members of the media in cities across the country this weekend. it feels like targeting. it feels like an escalation. it is deeply disturbing. we're waiting for statements about it from the president and other national leaders. when about a dozen reporters were arrested in ferguson in 2014, president obama spoke out about that and defended the rights of the press. we will see who defends the rights of the press this weekend and in the days to come. let's talk with two of the reporters who were in the middle of this. i just showed you one of them. molly hennessy fisk is a reporter for "the los angeles times" who has wounds on her leg. and omar jimenez is here from cnn, famously, iconically arrested live on cnn on friday morning. i don't think we're ever going to forget that image, omar, of you being taken into custody, your hands behind your back. there's been a lot of news since then. tell me about last night and what it was like when police officers were moving towards your crew and you had to seek shelter on saturday night. >> reporter: i think, brian, we expect some of that when you come out to cover a protest like this because part of trying to cover the clashes between law enforcement and those that are coming out is you expect in some ways for things to escalate just based on how previous stories like these have gone. so our team actually had a plan to sort of watch how this law enforcement team was advancing, go back to our first safe spot, then continue to retreat to our next safe spot but that didn't stop us, even though our camera was rolling, from getting shot at rubber bullets-wise. my producer got hit in the back with rubber bullets. my photographer got hit in his leg with rubber bullets. he says that he had a cell phone in his pocket there and he didn't get any bruising on his leg and he realized the reason was because he pulled out his phone and it was completely shattered and he still has that piece of that rubber bullet as well. in some ways it was the normal aspect of covering protests but in many ways this one felt just a little bit different, brian. >> it sort of looks different. same question to you, molly. what happened to you last night? is it right that your colleague, a photographer, had to go to the hospital? >> reporter: that's correct. my colleague, carolyn cole, photographer. we were standing behind me if you can see against this brick wall, the minnesota state patrol advanced. they told everyone that they were in violation of the curfew and had to disperse. i was with about a dozen other reporters, cameramen, photographers, and carolyn was wearing a flack vest that said press on it. i had my press credential around my neck. i also was holding a notebook because i had been interviewing people. when the police advanced on us, they started firing tear gas and we were shouting press and i was waving my notebook at them right back there. they just kept following us and firing at us. then i started shouting where do we go? you can actually hear me shouting that on local tv footage because there was a cameraman there too. they were not telling us where to go. they were just pursuing us down this wall. we came around this corner and got stuck if you can see behind that low brick wall and fence there and there were police back in there behind us still pursuing us. i had to jump over that wall. carolyn was stuck behind there. we got separated. we reunited later and she was able to get treatment at the hospital but again, we had to drive. luckily there was a good samarit samaritan, a neighbor who drove us, but we had to drive through streets that had police blocking them and at one point police fired some sort of a pellet or a paint gun at the good samaritan's car and they fired right at carolyn's head. >> when journalists are not interfering or disrupting law enforcement, they should not be targeted by law enforcement. i wonder if you feel like there's an increasing amount of targeting happening. that's what it feels like to me but i'm in a studio. you're actually there. >> reporter: well, last night was a very different experience from past stories that i've covered from ferguson where, at least in my experience, we would see the police confronting or protestors confronting police and the press would be on the sidelines. i did not get arrested there. i didn't have clashes with police but there certainly was tear gas and there were clashes. i wore my press badge the same way there and in other situations, in baton rouge, dallas, and this never happened. >> these are issues that date back a long time. it's pre-president trump, but i've got to think the rhetoric against the media from trump and other politicians and television stars has to be a problem that's making a bad situation worse. that's my personal view. omar, what about your experience being arrested and the aftermath? has it changed how you're operating there in the field? >> reporter: it's changed a little bit because i think i slowly have realized how far that video actually went despite it being on live television as it was unfolding. it was really over the course of saturday, yesterday, where we were back out doing our job at some of the peaceful protests that were going on during the daytime where, as you know, brian, we're always trying to interview different people on the street just to get a pulse of what's going on. sometimes it can be difficult to try and find people who actually want to speak. this was, i would say, maybe one of the first times where people actually came up to us and wanted to say stuff. they had recognized us from what happened. they thanked us for doing our jobs and these are people within the peaceful protest from here in minneapolis and just wanted the chance to speak with us. that was probably the most different experience i've had in regards to other ones and it definitely switched over the course of friday into saturday. >> omar and molly, thank you both. please stay safe there. we're going to be following this across the country. as i mentioned, several other cases of reporters being assaulted, being arrested, and we will be following up. there's breaking news out of chicago moments ago. the chicago central business district now being shut down so that only business owners and residents can enter. that is significant. that is as a result of looting and vandalism in chicago. after a break we're going to talk about how widespread this violence is and whether it's overshadowing the peaceful protests. we'll talk about president trump using 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few. as a new york staff writer put it, you know we are in uncharted territory when something happens in minneapolis and they're setting cars on fire in salt lake city. it's true. we owe it to you to show you the full scope of this unrest, especially the really powerful and peaceful actions that we're seeing like this scene out of denver yesterday where protestors took to the ground for as long as george floyd was held to the ground. we need to show you this. we also have to address the violence. we need help from historians like douglas brinkley who told me america has not seen riots like this since the assassination of martin luther king jr. in 1968. more recently, ferguson and baltimore are seared in our memories but these disturbances are happening in a far greater number of areas, relatively small cities, ft. wayne, indiana, matson, wisconsin, wilmington, delaware. we've got to face how this spread and we have to put it in perspective, to zoom out whenever we can and show you that in many cases the rioting has been confined to just a couple of blocks in most of these cities. it is still heinous and it's going to be very expensive to clean up but in most of these areas it's been in a relative confined area. unfortunately, in other cities the vandalism has been more extensive. i'm thinking about philly, grand rapids, l.a., et cetera, et cetera. we also need to show you that the rescuers outnumber the rioters. the helpers outweigh the hurt. there are protestors trying to stop the mobs. there are police officers trying to de-escalate when their colleagues are far too aggressive. most of all, what we need to do is listen. i'm going to hush and bring in jane koston, senior politics reporter at fox, in baltimore david zur wick and in philadelphia erin haines, editor at large at the 19th. erin, parts of center city, philadelphia were devastated overnight. take us there. >> yes, you had protestors trying to peacefully protest again because the focus of this, the reason that we all are here is because of the killing of yet another unarmed black man in america, this time in the midst of a pandemic, but there was violence. there was destruction that erupted in philadelphia, the cradle of our democracy as seen by many americans. you had cars, police cars burning in front of the city hall where some of the founding fathers once walked the streets. you had protestors trying to take down the statue of former philadelphia mayor, frank rizzo, himself a former philadelphia police officer with a racist legacy. protestors have long wanted that statue down and this weekend's protest was yet another opportunity to try to make that happen for some happen. you also had looting in center city. >> a lot of it. what do you want to see from the media coverage both locally and nationally right now? >> i covered the ferguson protests in 2014 and what struck me when i was there on the ground was that i was getting a very different picture than what i had seen on cable news leading up to actually flying in and being there and seeing what the protests actually looked like in their totality. so i think that that is something that we haven't quite learned from the start of the protests around this issue which has been ongoing. certainly the destruction, the devastation, the looting that is happening, that is real, show that, yes, but also center the people who are really the story, right? center these protestors who are peacefully protesting. that is what worked during the civil rights movement when images of people peacefully protesting, black people peacefully protesting for racial progress and justice and equality, showing those images is what moved americans to try to change things in this country and so that is what we must do now so that we get a different result than we've been getting. >> well said. jane, one of your specialties is conservative media. i wonder if you're seeing what i'm seeing, these dueling narratives, the attempt to slice and dice and create whatever story you want to tell out of what's happening across the country. for example, you see in right wing media a lot of talk about antifa and radical leftists. you see talk of white supremacists trying to cause chaos. are these dueling narratives the reality of 21st century media? >> i have to be honest with you, i don't care about the dueling narratives. a man is dead in minnesota and he died as a result of the weaponization of the state that's been taking place since i was in 8th grade. an unarmed man was shot in my town and sparked rallies and days of curfew. i understand the interest in dueling narratives and how the conservative media is playing this but many conservatives when i speak with them or pay attention to conservative media that isn't just talking about mainstream media to be clear, there's a lot of concern and worry. there are a lot of people writing for hotair.com, a national review, who are saying this is wrong. what the police have done is wrong. the overreaction of the state, the freedom that police are given to exact death and revenge on young people who are unarmed because of qualified immunity and because of other policies are wrong. but i have to be honest, i haven't really been watching the coverage because this is all too hard and we've do you know it too many times. we did it when i was in grade school. we did it in ferguson. we did it with the murder of lando castile in minnesota also. i keep thinking about the death of breonna taylor. she was shot by police while she was asleep. you think about the case out of georgia and people chased a man down and shot him. i think it's important for people to recognize this isn't the first time that we've done this. we've been doing this for decades. we've been saying that the actions that the police are taking, actions that are supported by both democrats and republicans are wrong. actions that are taken against white people and black people. let's not forget about the murder of 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spring involves pandemic, recession, and racial pain. we are talking about the unrest sweeping the nation with david, jane and erin. david, you're up next in this conversation. "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg says this feels like the opening of a dystopian film about a nation come undone. i'm such an optimist, i'm trying to find ways that that's not true. that we should look for hope from the public. what do you say about that? >> brian, it's very easy to feel that way. it feels old testament biblical like we're being punished by some higher force. it's a terrible, terrible moment. i want to say one thing. amen to everything that jane said before that break. your question about narratives, i don't want people to think narratives don't matter. media narratives are all important in how we make sense of the world. i'll give you an example. last night i was watching fox news. they had bernie carrick and mike h huckabee as their analysts or experts and they keep talking about a few bad apples in the police department. that's a narrative that was very powerful in places like baltimore where we had real problems with the police and they kept saying a few bad apples, people on one side of the equation. after 2015 with freddie gray and after the justice department, the baltimore sun and others exposing a corrupt outfit called the gun praise task force that was robbing citizens, taking drugs, selling drugs, the few bad apples narrative has quieted down. it was corrupt to the core, and if we keep saying it's just a few bad apples, we will keep having incidents like this. that's the way a narrative sustains injustice in this world. narratives do matter, and fox is pushing that narrative. i saw it all night last night while they were doing their coverage whipping around the country. it's important, narratives matter. >> erin, how do you think live television coverage influences both peaceful protests and also riots? is there of course this risk that as we point cameras at burning buildings it encourages more destruction? >> i think that is part of the risk. i certainly can understand that cameras are drawn to things like fires and destruction of property. those are very dramatic images. again, showing those images without centering the peaceful protestors, reminding people that that is the majority of the reason that protests are happening, that any incidents of rioting or even looting are a distraction, i think that what we've learned from the pandemic within a pandemic that's happening in this country right now is we learned in coverage of the coronavirus returning to the central questions at all times is the way to really cover a pandemic. that's what's happened with the coronavirus and that's what needs to happen with these protests. what is the solution to keep black people from being killed by the police and by vigilantes. that's what we should be returning to over and over again because that is the point, not of looting or destruction of property. >> jane, what do you say the responsibility of the press during a moment of unrest? >> i think the responsibility of the press is to explain how we got to this point. i think that it's unfortunate that the supreme court is largely closed to cameras and many of our courtrooms and police precincts aren't believed to be good places for news. the supreme court is going to take up what police are able to do under the constitution. they've been able to run rough shot over the constitution in many cases. i think that adding in that context, how we got here, how the power of police unions, how the language about the thin blue line has allowed police to think of themselves not as part of the community but above the community that they police, i think that that context is absolutely necessary. i wish that sports was on right now, i really do, but this isn't a sport. this isn't something we can observe and comment on later. we have to add in the necessary context about how we got here, why this is happening, why violence has erupted and how we can do something about it because i think it's important to note that this isn't just a one-time incident. this is a reaction to decades of bad policing and bad management from democrats and republicans alike. this isn't a political kuj ol, this is a national problem that we have to do better in explaining. >> david, one more point about this, evening you know this firsthand in baltimore. when there are peaceful protests and police act violently and those videos go viral, more people are on the streets the next night and that is what i fear is happening right now. there have been so many videos over this weekend of police in very dangerous situations and i respect they are in serious danger and i'm worried about that, but they end up in these situations where they drive through crowds, they swing at protestors and then the next night there's even more protestors on the streets. >> brian, one last fast thing, please, let's not leave trump out of this conversation. what he's done the last four years of encouraging people to hate the press, enemy of the people, scum of the earth, using those rallies, it's a weapon he used and we see the effects, i think. i'm not totally blaming him but it's a large factor in the attacks on press that we're seeing on the streets today. >> david, erin, jane, thank you. speaking of the president, you've got to hear rush limbaugh's new excuse for trump's egregious behavior. i think it might explain the entire trump presidency. sign up for our newsletter, a daily recap of the day's media news delivered at night. it's free at cnn.it/reliable. we'll be back. that's why we're offering our best unlimited deal. switch and get four lines of unlimited for just $100 a month. that's right - four lines, for $100 bucks! if that's not enough, we're throwing in four samsung galaxy phones...on us. and now, sprint customers enjoy access to expanded coverage on the t-mobile network. shop from the comfort of your home at sprint.com or come see us in our stores. for people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay.com. ...under control. turns out, it was controlling me. seemed like my symptoms were... ...taking over our time together. think he'll make it? 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(fireworks exploding) now to the anatomy of a twitter smear campaign. asking questions, sewing doubt, spreading misinformation are some of president trump's techniques. and when he uses those techniques, there are sometimes innocent victims. >> trump is throwing gasoline on a fire here and having fun watching the flames. >> what's on fire is the memory of a young woman who worked for joe scarborough 19 years ago. >> the president of the united states sullying this good woman's name. >> the president seized on the death of lori kos so you does who died in florida's congressional office, triggering conspiracy theories. now the theory has been picked up by the far right. >> this is not an original trump thought. >> true, but trump has been amplifying it on twitter, suggesting scarborough is a murderer, calling this a cold case even though it is not. scarborough was in d.c. when lori died in florida after she fell and hit her head. the medical examiner said she had an undiagnosed heart condition. >> every time they spread these lies, they're hurting the family. >> lori's family has stayed silent over the years, wary of attracting any more conspiracy mongers, but her widower, timmy, recently sent a letter to twitter ceo jack dorsey urging him to take down trump's tweets. cnn's brianna keilar read his letter out loud. >> my wife deserves better. >> twitter expressed sympathy but said the tweets are staying up, so trump keeps calling scarborough a psycho and some of trump's fans are saying they will investigate the 2001 case, and all of this noise just spreads the smear more and more. some republicans like liz cheney and mitt romney have chastised trump and so have some editorial boards like "the wall street journal" and the washington examiner. >> it wasn't just that twitter was wrong -- >> but many trump allies are apparently unbothered. >> maybe those questions should be asked. >> according to limbaugh, trump is just having fun watching the 234r5i7 flames, reminding us of a famous quote from christopher nolan's "the dark knight". >> some men just want to watch the world burn. >> that quote takes on a deeper meaning this weekend. with me now is david fromm, staff writer from the atlantic and author of the book "trump apocalypse." is that right, david? >> that's right. very good. >> is that quote basically the trump presidency, that some men just want to watch the world burn? >> president trump is a reprehensible person and obviously a person without a lot of regard for truth. he doesn't always act logically as the christopher nolan tweet suggests. one of my favorite insights of the trump presidency was the staffer who said donald trump isn't playing three dimensional chess, he's eating the pieces. the argument of the trump book, donald trump's personality is not the country's only problem. he takes the conflicts and we see them burning through our cities this weekend and he uses them as a political resource. to get past this trump era we have to address those important conflicts in the country and find some way to deprive future trumps of this kind of resource. >> i think what we're used to saying in moments of crisis is when will the president speak, will he address the nation, what will he say, how will he calm tensions, how will he soothe fears? i don't know if those are the right questions anymore. by the way, the white house just said the president will not appear on camera today. there are no plans for him to address the nation. >> that's good. this president isn't speak because what could he possibly say? he's already spoken and conjured up the image of dogs attacking protestors on one of the most powerful anti-civil rights images this country has. he's identifying with the people who unleash dogs on protestors. donald trump's authority is slowly draining away. he still has the power of the presidency but none of the moral authority. it's not going to be over. i think the thing i'm concerned about and we should all be concerned about as citizens is how do we squeeze something good out of this lemon presidency? how do we put the country back on the track to being the country that not only americans but americans' friends around the world believe it to be. last point, president trump has been talking about reinventing the g7 by adding russia and by adding australia but not talking to china. in fact, stoking a conflict with china. the damage to america's position in the world is going to be the hardest thing to fix and we have to deprive america's enemies of the kind of resource that is provided by the trump presidency. >> looking closer to home, we were talking about "morning joe" and joe scarborough, my heart goes out to t.j. caw so you tis. he's a resident of florida and none of the lawmakers, none of the congressmen and women in florida came to his defense. they were silent. when reporters asked for comments about the president's lies about his family. is that because they're afraid of the pro trump media and the scrutiny of the hannitys of the world? what's going on there? >> trump doesn't have a lot of skills but one skill he truly does have is a genius for seeing weakness, weakness in people, weakness in institutions. he has used that and found the moral weakness in the republican party. he's also found an important weakness in american law. look, if you or i were falsely to accuse someone of murder on twitter, we should prepare for a defamation suit that would take away our houses probably. donald trump as president enjoys a certain immunity from defamation actions when he's acting as president. trump has played with that system. when he talks as real donald trump, is he the president of the united states in which case he's immune from defamation but who would never say such terrible things, or is he donald trump the blow hard and well known tv loud mouth and fool who can say anything but he's using the immunity that is given to the american president and he's using it for his corrupt personal ends as he has used the resources of this country and diverted them to his golf course. >> you work so much into these answers. do you practice these? >> i think about this unfortunately more than i would like to. i think we all feel exhausted with this and i hope we're at the end of it because we want to think about something constructive and useful. >> david, thank you for being here. best luck with the book. up next, amid national upheaval, social media seems to be causing even more polarization. jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg are taking very different approaches. i want you to hear from two insiders next. but when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check... you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can detect suspicious activity on your account from here. and you can pay your friends back from here. so when someone asks you, "where's your bank?" you can tell them: here's my bank. or here's my bank. or, here's my bank. because if you download and use the chase mobile app, your bank is virtually any place. so visit chase.com/mobile. for 37 years we have been fighting for survivors of child sex abuse. even in these uniquely challenging times we're still fighting with dedication and devotion. california law gives survivors a chance to take legal action, but only for a limited time. if you were sexually abused by a priest, scout leader, coach or teacher contact us confidentially today. it's time. as political unrest collides with the pandemic, the white house sometimes seems more interested in fighting twitter. this week the president was fact checked for the first time. immediately the president hit back and signed an executive order about what he called online censorship. it may be politically powerful but toothless. both twitter and facebook spoke out against it. facebook has been taking a different approach to the president's content. mark zuckerberg saying he will not be posting the same kinds of fact checks that twitter is posting. when the president was tweeting about shooting looters the other day and twitter said it was a violation of policy, facebook said it was not a violation of policy. is he afraid of president trump? what is going on there? that is a statement from facebook. we'll get a different view now from one of facebook's early investors. he mentored zuckerberg and one of zuck's harshest critics. i'm also joined by a former cia officer and global head of elections. she used to be the head of a elections integrity for political 'tissing at facebook. she was an insider. she's currently a visiting fellow at digital life initiative. can you explain to us in 30 seconds the executive order and why it would be a problem for trump. like, he would be in a little bit of legal trouble if the tweets and facebook posts were, you know, -- >> sure. thank you for having me on. what he essentially is trying to do is get rid of what is called section 230 of the communications act. many of us have been working hard to reform this and to think about smart ways but he wants to completely annihilate it. what it does is, it provides protection for internet platforms, intermediaries to not be held responsible for the content posted on their site. it also protects them to be able to moderate content that they deem inappropriate. so what it means is he essentially is weaponizing the first amendment. trying it shout down private company's ability whether it's fact checked, decide harmful content. in this case, whether it's to give us more accurate information about voting and not allowing our own president to engage in voter suppression but the problem is, with him trying to absolutely -- through executive order annihilate this, all of us who have worked really hard to try to think smart ways to reform this 1996 legislation are very concerned that this is going to -- the possibility for a smarter way forward. >> zuckerberg keeps saying in different ways, you know, at facebook keeps saying we're not responsible. we're not editors. we're not ab or its of truth. here is what he said about taking content down in october of last year. >> if anyone including a politician is saying things that can cause violence or could risk imminent physical harm, we'll take the content down. >> is he falling short of his own claims, roger? >> everything that mark says on this particular topic is disingenuous. facebook does many things to police content. the problem with section 230, as currently interpreted by the courts is it provides blanketed immunity for essentially anything internet platforms want to do. and in mark's case, his platform is ubiquitous. everyone uses it. so he has to align with power in every country he operates in. and that means the united states he needs to align with president trump. and so there has been a symbiosis has developed between the two countries from before the 2016 election. if you look at it, mark bends over backwards to do things that basically violate his own terms of service on behalf of both president trump and the republican party. he does similar things in every other country in which he operates. and the issue is that facebook as important as it is, as valuable as it could be, it's like the chemical companies in the 1950s when they used to poor mercury into fresh water and spew toxic chemicals into the atmosphere. facebook is basically promoting hate speech, disinformation, and conspiracy theories because those things are good for the business. >> is that true? is it that bad? >> it is. because when you have a policy and you don't enforce it evenly across the board then your policy carries no weight. unfortunately it's not about wanting to be mark zuckerberg to be the ash ter of truth. but it's how they're cure rating harmful information and nobody is held responsible for what they're doing to the civil discourse, democracy, and all of that. yeah, absolutely disagree. >> this is a distractions from 104,000 dead americans in the pandemic. >> exactly. this is the thing. technology is too important our economy to be allowed as dangerously as it's operating today. we need to work together to fix this. >> thank you both. after a quick break here, a special memorial service anchored by jake tapper for the victims of the coronavirus pandemic. hey, can i... hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. for spending a perfectly reasonable amount of time on the couch with tacos from grubhub? 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the curfew is in effect. are the protestors going anywhere? >> reporter: they don't like they're moving anywhere. at 11:00, the white house went out, the curfew went into effect. they are pushing us back up 16th street. i'm keeping my head on a swivel here. you're hearing some of the flash bangs in the distance. i expect that is the enforcement of the curfew. i'm trying to keep an eye behind me. d.c. fire is attending to the structure fire behind us that became an issue within the last hour or so. and at the moment where i stand right now, ironically, katy, the remaining demonstrators here have been kneeling with their hands up to make a point in any way that they can to police peacefully, if possible, through other means at times. but trying to make a point that the violence that they have seen perpetrated against primarily black men in this country has to stop. the question remains, d.c. is not usually a curfew town. we do a lot of protests here, but a curfew is rare, and seeing how things are going to go in the next 20, 30 minutes is going to be touch and go, katy. that's what we'll be watching for here. >> garrett, i watched you all through last night through the drama you faced and i've been watching you today. who can you tell me who these protestors are? are they from washington, d.c.? are they coming from out of town? how many are agitating and how many are there to peacefully protest? >> reporter: it's a mix. today, i talked to students from howard university, the historically black college just up georgia avenue who organized a march to be outspoken about this. i talked to an imam from virginia who drove up. there are absolutely people who . there are absolutely people wh came here to cause trouble. i saw guys with baseball bats. softball practice isn't happening here. but overwhelmingly, the pictures of what happened after dark are more dramatic. what happened during the daylight is a whole lot of people who wanted to express a very justifiable anger. there's nothing wrong or illegal or against the rules about being angry at the cops. that's what we saw primarily all day yesterday, all day today. like my parents used to say, not much good happens after midnight. that's when things got really bad last night. it may happen earlier tonight. >> garrett, you are just a couple hundred yards away from the white house. what do we know about the president's whereabouts right now? >> reporter: well, with apologies for not being able to check my phone, he has been home all day. the white house called an early lid, meaning we knew he was not going to travel. as recently as friday night, the first of the protests in lafayette park, he was moved to a secure bunker underneath the white house. i can tell you, when the lights are on behind me, you can look all the way down across the park into the residence. this protest is loud enough for anyone who lives or works in the white house to hear it. and it is, with the addition of the fires late tonight, large enough for anyone who lives or works in the white house to have seen it. the president's tweet in recent minutes about fake news, i don't know what news he's watching, but this is very real and it's very much right outside his residence. >> garrett, what does it feel like there tonight in comparison to last night? >> reporter: urvegmm, oddly we' going to walk backwards because we're going to try to make a distance between ourselves, the police and the protestors. oddly, tonight feels calmer last night despite the fires and the images that you're seeing. all right. so the cops are moving behind me. we're going to try to keep the same distance as we go as safely as possible. last night was one big protest and when it came clear that some elements within the protest that they were not going to be able to get any closer to the white house, they splintered off into the surrounding streets, started setting cars on fire and smashing windows. i haven't had an opportunity to get much out of there, because this has been a much more centralized protest here this evening. and at least in my experience, it has seemed more focused. now, again, as the streets start to clear and police move people out, that's a different story. this is the headquarters of the aflcio, the union here. the windows are smashed, the sprinkler system is going off inside. this was not here four hours ago. this was not here three hours ago. so the destruction that plagued downtown d.c. last night is back here again tonight. at least in some small measure. i don't know if it's as widespread. last night we saw windows smashed as far up as george town and mt. vernon square, for folks familiar with d.c. 15 to 20 blocks away from the white house. again, tonight things have seemed more localized. but i'm limited by my own perspective here having kept at least one eye on the white house all night. as we progress here up 16th street, i want to show you what we're seeing here. metropolitan police department in d.c. are coming in from the east and they have tried to close off the south towards the white house, the east towards capitol hill. you can see fire burning in the distance. i think that's another burning car or suv. and they're going to force everybody west. they're going to force egress west and my god, so that's at least one car on fire and another flipped over here on i-street and 16th in downtown central business district of washington, d.c. and those are fireworks being used by the protestors. forgive me, we're going to make some moves here. we're going to end up in a place we don't want to be if we're not careful. oh, damn it! i just got -- >> move out of there as quickly as you can. get safe. we'll check back in. sounds like he might have been hit with something there. oh, wait, he's still with us. garrett, are you okay? >> reporter: yeah, i'm here. it was a rubber bullet or something. i don't want to be dramatic about it -- [ audio difficulties ] garrett, you're cutting out. as brian said a moment ago, as somebody who knows your parents as well, i want you to get to a safe place. get out of there. there are people running towards you. we'll come back to you. god forbid you get hit with something again. we're going to keep watching your shot. it is just startling to see. it takes the words out of your mouth. startling to see what is happening across the country, but especially what is happening in washington, d.c. garrett is just a few hundred yards away from the white house. there is a fire burning in lafayette square. maybe 200, 300 yards, just in the park outside of the white house gates. a couple blocks away, there's a car on fire. there's another car that is overturned. the headquarters for the afl-cio is -- the windows are smashed. the walls are tagged. the sprinklers are going off in the lobby. and there's a fire inside there. as garrett said, we only have the ability to see in a very limited way what is happening in the city where garrett is right now, and the couple other places where we have our cameras and we have our aerial shot so it's unclear what else might be happening across this city. what you're seeing on the right-hand side of your screen, that looks to be people who have been arrested there in washington, d.c., with zip ties used as handcuffs. there are peaceful protesters. there have been peaceful protesters in washington, d.c., all day long. there are images out there of very young people hopping the gates into lafayette park to try and kneel in front of cops. they have been largely peaceful throughout the day, but if you've been watching msnbc for the past couple hours, as the day has turned into night, the bad elements have come out. a fire was set to some sort of utility building. a small building in the park outside of the white house. you're seeing on your screen right now cops gathered. they are ready and they're trying to keep things as calm as they possibly can. but this nation is angry. it is hurting. and there are people in these crowds who are exploiting that. there are people in these crowds who are setting fire to things. there are people in these crowds who are trying to get into confrontations with the police, who are trying to make things worse, as there are also peaceful protesters who are trying to demand that police brutality end, that innocent -- or that unarmed black men are not targeted by the cops. are not killed by the hands of police officers across this country. we're going to keep an eye on washington, d.c. we're going to check back in with garrett as soon as we make sure that he is okay. let's head now to minneapolis. this is where it all started, where george floyd died under the knee of a police officer just last monday. look at this image right here. this is a semitruck driving directly into a crowd as protesters were trying to cross this bridge. it does not appear, though, as anyone -- that anyone was hurt from this. thank god for that. the driver of this truck is currently in police custody and just the image of that red truck, that tanker, will make some people think of the l.a. riots in 1992 and reginald denny. this is not the same scenario at all. let's go now to nbc's morgan cheski live from minneapolis. what is it like right now and can you tell us what happened on that bridge? >> reporter: katy, i absolutely can. the first thing, what a stark contrast from last night to tonight where around this time we were seeing hundreds of law enforcement officers make their way through the city clearing out areas where thousands had gathered earlier in the day and tonight an almost eerily quiet evening here, katy, after a series of arrests that happened within the past several hours. we know 150 people were taken into custody not too far from where i'm standing, in fact, you'll see a line of police and national guard humvees. about 50 yards down this street. we know there was a gas station a short distance on the other side of that barricade of vehicles where police and law enforcement officers were able to round up that many protesters and take them into custody. and that is one of the more aggressive actions we've seen since this footprint from law enforcement really tripled yesterday, katy. now, as for that incident that happened earlier on the bridge today, we arrived on that scene within just a few minutes after it happened to see people running away, fearing the worst. when the truck drove into the crowd, katy, a lot of people thought it was protesters in its path that couldn't get out of the way. fortunately, we know no protesters were injured. after speaking with officials we heard that when that truck drove into that crowd, the crowd then swarmed, when it came to a stop, actually pulled the driver outside of the truck. held him on the scene until police could arrive. we do know the driver was taken to a nearby hospital but with non-life-threatening injuries and is, as you mentioned, in custody facing charges. in the meantime, that crowd that was several thousand large has since dissipated throughout the city. we've been hearing reports of smaller groups. 100, maybe 200 in certain areas. we know law enforcement at this point not hesitating to use tear gas, mace, to clear out those crowds. and get them from congregating in these areas especially since that curfew was put into effect at 8:00 central standard time. we know this is the third night with the curfew in place. the first we did not see any enforcement. last night is when we saw the state police roll out in that riot gear near the 5th precinct where we were reporting from and basically take very aggressive measures to move this large group out. i think that contrast in how this is being enforced is why we're not seeing a lot of people out tonight. we did drive down this area. a lot of people were sitting out in front of their homes anticipating, seeing the protests come their way. here in minneapolis, one of the things i've noticed is a lot of people put out bottles of water, gallons of milk, on their front steps, to help anyone who may need it as they make their march through the city. today when we made our way down, all that was unused. i thought there might have been anticipation of a larger protest tonight. that's certainly not something we're seeing at this point in time. however, as garrett mentioned earlier, katy, nothing goods happens after midnight. that's been when we've really seen the most destructive people make their way through this city. we're going to keep a close eye on things in minneapolis. when you consider the damage that's already been done to block by block, dozens if not hundreds of businesses damaged to point where they can't continue to operate, burned or gutted completely. the road to recovery here is going to be significant and it's going to have to parallel a fight for justice that a lot of people feel is not yet met because every person i spoke to today at a peaceful protest at the state capitol said one police officer in custody is not four police officers who are involved in the death that took place monday that has become such a passionate cause for the people here. not just in minneapolis but all across the nation and so, katy, tonight minneapolis grappling with the fact that maybe the worst is over but also looking ahead to see how they can carry this momentum for justice forward and have momentum. katy? >> morgan chesky in a quiet and what a welcome sight that is, a quiet and it seems peaceful for the moment minneapolis. let's go back to garrett haake in washington, d.c. garrett, where are you and what's happening now? >> reporter: hey, katy. so we are being moved north and west by mpd who is taking their enforcement of the mayor's 11:00 p.m. curfew plenty seriously. as you saw if you were with us at the top of the hour. we're on "k" street right now. police have been mostly working people north away from the white house. i'm still hearing some of those explosions in the distance i'm associating now with cars on fire. at least that's what i've been able to match them up to. as i've seen, i can hear the police helicopter overhead. i can tell you where i am in the central business district of d.c., the city has seemed to clear out substantially. you know, there's no one behind me as i'm looking west. further toward virginia. back east, the police, again, mpd staged sort of on the eastern side of the city and cleared what remains of these protesters. just an ugly end to what was i think by and large a sort of a positive emotionally effective day of protests here that just completely went off the rails in the last hour and a half with the starting of those fires near lafayette park, confrontations escalating with police then police using pretty much everything in their arsenal to clear those intersections there. my crew and i each took some projectile contact, let's say, and were separated from each other briefly. that's why we lost audio there just because we weren't all in one place. we're back together now on streets of d.c. that are quieting down. at least where i am here in the central business district. >> garrett, let's hope it stays that way. clearly, they were going to get very serious about that 11:00 p.m. curfew. garrett, thank you. let's go now to the other side of the country to santa monica where we find nbc news correspondent gadi schwartz. last time i saw you you were on the promenade and watching as people -- this is jo ling kent. we're going to get over to gadi schwartz. last time i saw you, you were on the 3rd street promenade. you were watching as people were looting foot action. cops had flooded in to arrest them. seems like you're still there. give us an update on what's happening now. >> reporter: yeah, so we saw that foot action being looted for about eight to ten minutes and saw the police finally coming, you probably saw it live on tv, so right now a lot of these people are being processed. you've got about 20 or so that are now wearing those handcuffs, those plastic handcuffs and sitting here waiting. officers are actually giving some of them water right now. they're pouring it in their mouth for them. which is kind of weird because everyone's wearing masks and so it's this awkward dance. some people have been cordial with the police officers. others have been somewhat hostile. things are simmering down on this street right now and they're waiting for transport. i'm going to walk you down this way. this was the foot action that they were looting. if we take a look on both sides, it's very different than what we were showing you earlier on 4th street which is a street just up the way. that was almost every single storefront that we saw had been broken into and cleared out. but here you got a lot of them that have been protected by police that were blocking pedestrians from coming into the promenade for most of the day then just around about 40 minutes ago, an hour ago, all it took was somebody coming in here with some sort of hammer or possibly a rock or something, smashing this window, then suddenly there were hundreds of people that were running inside, they were grabbing everything they could. just watch your step here. you can see the destruction that they did. we saw it live. it all happened within about five to eight minutes. and then people just scattered. they ran that way and ran this way because this is where they were being dropped off by cars that were waiting there. some people even bringing plastic containers to throw the loot in and then get away. in fact, we got this plastic trash can and inside is just filled with nike air force ones that are brand-new, still in the box. those are littered throughout this area. right now police have this blocked off so it's unclear what's going to happen to the merchandise. i want to show you this right here is the 3rd street promenade. it goes all the way down. this is the only store that we've seen on the actual promenade that appears to have been lotted from our perspective. and this is where police are now concentrating so you've got some of them standing at ease. it goes all the way up to 4th street there and they're making sure that people aren't stopping on the promenade and going into many of these stores that are still filled with merchandise. however, for about two or three hours, katy, over on 4th street, there were no police around so we saw store after store after store looted live on television. all that was happening here on this side of santa monica while on that side of santa monica unbeknownst to the hundreds or thousands of protesters that showed up to demonstrate peacefully, the police had containment, were there to make e sure, to facilitate is what they put it, that peaceful protest. then over here, you had skirmish after skirmish. police uncomfortable coming in clearing the streets because there were too many people. two different things going on. two very different groups of people. this was looting that we saw. doesn't seem to be a lot of crossover between what was happening here and the protests but those protests on the other side of santa monica were beautiful and peaceful to behold, so just a really difficult juxtaposition out here to wrap your mind around. katy? >> gadi schwartz on the 3rd street promenade in santa monica. gadi, thank you very much. let's head back now over to seattle just up north where we find jo ling kent. jo, you're walking on the streets there. have the protests stayed calm there? has there been any confrontations? >> reporter: katy, i want to tell you about a moment that i just witnessed which i did not expect to witness. we were back up at the edge of downtown in the capitol hill neighborhood. it was dozens of police in a line and hundreds of protesters, mostly peaceful, but it was getting tense and you had activists, perhaps the organizers of that particular group of people, coming up very close with the police and instead of having a tension, an escalation, there was a conversation. we witnessed a conversation between one of the women who, an activist, an organizer, then that paused for a minute then they came back to the police. they were able to negotiate through the police line and i saw two powerful handshakes happen between activists and police officer. and they were able to open the line and the police stepped aside. there was huge applause. this entire group of people were able to proceed back downtown here in seattle where we are now in the heart of downtown. what was remarkable about that moment is today we've been following these protesters and ever since curfew hit, about 3 1/2 hours ago, it has been very spirited. but very peaceful. and the activists who are up front, who are now way past us now, their entire motivation here is to keep it peaceful, to get their message out there. that is exactly what we're experiencing here in seattle at least for the moment but it's still daylight. katy, as you know, once night falls, things can change quickly. send it back to you. >> it's 8:24 over there in seattle. still daylight, indeed. jo ling kent, thank you very much. let's go to the mayor of that city, seattle, mayor durkan. madam mayor, thanks for joining us. i guess, what's it like there, and what are you expecting for tonight? >> you know, i will say that it's been a very challenging day for seattle as a city, but that's true across our country. and one thing i picked up even from all your reports that i think is really important to remember is we cannot lose track of the central message that we should all be focused on. and that is the death of mr. floyd once again showed the deep betrayal of our systems for people of color, and particularly for african-americans. we have to honor his sacrifice. we must make sure that the people who are protesting peacefully, sometimes in anger, showing their trauma, their furor over what's happened over generations in america, does not get co-opted by people who use that just to further violence and conflict because so many of the reports are focused on the car fires and the looting and the conflict. really what we should be focused on as a nation, how do we get better, how do we improve the lives of every american, particularly black americans? from the time of slavery on, we've not grappled with the systemic racism and injustice in their lives, whether it's education or health care. or the outcomes you can expect from covid. whether it's opportunity in their day-to-day lives or how they're treated by police. and we and not lose sight of that message. that's one reason why i condemn the violence by the other people who were not, were not, part of the protests. we had thousands of people protesting in seattle last night. peacefully. and they were there to speak of their anger and their anguish and their grief. to come together in communion. then we had thousands of others who came for the sole purpose to create conflict, to loot, to steal, to cause damage. we cannot have the second. that is not what we need in america. we need to focus on the true injustices and move to a country of greater justice. and i truly believe at the end of the day, at the end of the day -- sorry. go ahead. >> just, i want to stick with the root of this problem. and this is the death of george floyd. not just george floyd. death of multiple black men and black women at the hands of cops. over the most recent years, but for decades now. is this a problem? you're talking about systemic racism. and those points are well taken. when it comes to law enforcement, is it a problem in training or is it a problem in recruiting? >> i think it's all of the above. and remember, police are going to reflect their community in many ways. you need to, you know, i've been involved in police reform for years when i was at the department of justice, we instituted the consent decree for the seattle defense department which ten years later has changed its use of force. it is training. it is how they're held accountable. but it also goes to the root causes of injustice in our society and while we must, we must demand better from police, and we cannot allow for people to die at the hands of the police wrongfully, we also have to make sure that we are attacking injustice everywhere. that we truly make good on the promise of america for those people who were not considered full americans when our constitution was founded. and we must remember that, you know, i want every child who grows up in seattle to know they're going to have equal access to education. they're going to have equal access to job prosperity. their family will have health care and housing. we must focus on a nation on how we make sure our prosperity is shared and how we make good on the promise of america, to the generations of americans that have been left behind. that should not be lost. you know, for every car that burns, there have been families that suffered for generations and so i really deplore the people who came solely for the purpose of taunting police, creating conflict with police, looting stores and causing damage. that did nothing to honor mr. floyd. >> madam mayor, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time, and good luck in your city tonight. let's go over to atlanta, georgia. we find nbc's blayne alexander. the last time i saw you you were getting over coughing from pepper spray. the intersection behind you is empty, quiet. does that mean the city of atlanta is the same? >> reporter: you know what, that certainly seems to be an indicator. this is the best way to tell the story of what's going on in atlanta right now. to get the understanding of why exactly i was choking, coughing, me and my team were right in the direct path of that tear gas because, yes, this is really kind of command central for law enforcement, for national guard troops. this is where they've been holding the line. and just within the past few minutes or so, katy, we actually saw a lot of the troops line up, walk away, get in their transportation and leave. we've been checking with our crews on the ground and what we've seen typically over the past few nights is once that tear gas is kind of sprayed among the crowd, they scatter. they disperse among different places downtown. and then officials go off and try and find them. it can be a painstaking process. that lasts the better part of a night. we were out here watching it unfold for three hours last night. it appears for the most part the pockets of unrest, people who may have been going by, smashing windows or continuing to stay on the streets, have been cleared. now, we can look over, you see some military vehicles right over there. they're slowly starting to pull out as well. i will tell you -- >> blayne, sorry to interrupt you. we have to go to minnesota where the governor is speaking right now. >> a few requirements to allow law enforcement to make sure out city streets remain safe. i want to reiterate, again, i think many of you like me have watched that, the video of the truck and the peaceful protesters. i am so incredibly thankful we had no fatalities or no injuries. i just think it highlights the fact, again, of trying to make sure that we create space and keep the ability to peacefully protest there and i think over the last two days minnesota, we've clearly shown a difference between people exercising their 1st amendment rights, showing passion to injustices, and trying to make their voice heard. and those that were trying to do something very different. so i'm going to have paul snell give some updates on where we're at . at this point in time, we're seeing very few incidents. i think some folks who got caught after time, some very respectful interactions, and those folks, again, were simply, i think, exercising their rights and got caught behind the curfew and i'm just grateful how that has panned out so far. so with that, paul snell. >> good evening. thank you, governor. just to provide a quick update as to where things are, as you've seen, as the governor mentioned, the incident with the truck coming onto the bridge was obviously a significant and great concern when that happened. we had been -- we had been monitoring the crowd that was involved in that walk. we knew that they were peaceful. there was no real issues. and when the truck came on and the things that evolved and the great deal of concern we had for the safety of everyone in that situation, as you can see plainly that once the truck came in, again, we didn't know exactly at that point in time what the intent was of that truck driver. and then the concern about was somebody -- was anybody hit? early on was also a concern. then obviously the driver was removed from the truck and was assaulted by a number of people. and then i think a positive note, there was also a large number of people attempting to protect the man who was driving that truck. so, you know, all in all, that situation was -- we sent a lot of resources there, as you saw. there was gas deployment that was really about wanting to disperse the crowd. to move people away from the scene. ultimately, as you saw, officers came in and it was very slow and methodical. different than you might have saw from a tactical standpoint of last night. based on what the commanders saw in the group, that the group appeared largely cooperative. we didn't see high levels of resistance at that point in time. ultimately, you saw the encirclement that happened, 150 to 200. i don't know the exact number. and, again, those people, you know, were involved in acts of civil disobedience which we respect. they were very respectful in terms of their interactions with officers. it was slow and methodical. this is a textbook kind of response to these type of situations. and that, you know, they're finalizing that as we speak. as they are doing that, we have moved sum resources from st. paul into minneapolis to begin to address other areas. while there's not been significant unrest, we have had people out violating the curfew. based on what we saw them engaged in, we decided it really focus on that area on or near washington there. and address that group. you know, right now, that will continue. those efforts will continue as we finalize these arrests and the booking of those arrested out off of washington. and after that, you know, we will, again, hit hotspots and disperse, get people to get home and comply but ultimately we feel very fortunate that that situation on the bridge did not end any more seriously than it was, and we were also grateful, as the governor mentioned, that so many people did, once again, comply with the curfew which makes a huge difference. as you know, that incident with the truck occurred prior to the implementation of the curfew which, you know, did create challenges because when the curfew was enacted, but commanders based upon field observations made a specific and explicit decision to give focus to that area to address that group. and ultimately, the rest as you're seeing happening now. so we -- the situation is at present stable. the protests at the capitol during the day was i think a large event. largely very peaceful throughout the course of the day. later this evening, there was a rush on the fence. a larger group of people who were saying that they were not going to leave the capitol grounds. that was after curfew. they pushed up against the fence. there was an attempt to breach the fence. there was a small deployment of gas to disperse some crowd at -- who are at the fence at the capitol. and ultimately, that area is now cleared. there was a small number of arrests. a small number of people were arrested at the capitol -- >> so minnesota officials right now talking about calm protests today. a relatively calmer night so far. certainly hope it stays that way. we're going to take 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(fireworks exploding) you've heard it from numerous elected officials including the president blaming outside groups for some violence and property destruction that we've seen. joining me now is nbc news reporter ben collins who has now reporting on the involvement of fringe groups in the protests. so the president and his attorney general william barr labeling it as far-left extremists, antifa. at one point an official in minnesota was saying everybody that they had arrested was from out of town. they had to walk that back. always skeptical of blanket statements, ben. tell me what you found from your report in terms of the organized outside groups that might be involved in these protests and some of the more violent conflagrations. >> reporter: sure. so we saw a lot of posturing from a lot of these kind of groups. both white supremacist groups on the right and the left, you know, antifa-style groups as well. the white supremacist groups from what we've seen, they took video while they were there. they took photos while they were there. you know, they posted memes on open facebook groups and closed chats saying pretty consistently let's burn down these things and all this stuff. they didn't actually post any proof that they did these things. so, you know, there was a lot of talk of online chatter from elected officials saying there was people from outside the state, outsiders coming in and wreaking havoc, but frankly, the people who would be responsible for that haven't really shown any proof of that so far. >> and just for all of our viewers, a moment ago you were looking at images outside of philadelphia. this is boston right now where we have seen some clashes, but a moment ago you were looking at philadelphia where there was, it seemed to be looting at a family dollar and some other businesses. and i want to be clear, the images that you're seeing, these are -- these are not the entirety of the protests, and this doesn't tell the whole story of what we've been seeing in america for the -- you just saw a cop push that man to the ground that was running away. for the past few days, we've seen violent confrontations between protesters and police. at some points getting completely out of hand. to the point where some officers had been relieved of duty or fired in certain cities. there's been a lot of anger at the way that the -- that many officers around this country have treated a number of the protesters who say they were just trying to demonstrate peacefully. and listen. ben, when you talk about who's involved in what's happening, it can seem a little easy to just blame outside groups. it can seem a little easy to say, well, it's these people who are there to do no good and maybe use that as a justification for some of the -- some of the stronger use of force that we've seen around the country. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. and, look, there's been a rush to blame antifa in other events other than just this. really antifa isn't the sort of movement you'd see from other sort of terror groups or say, like, white nationalist groups who try to recruit people and announce they made it. you know? white nationalist groups recruit on facebook, recruit on twitter. once something happens, they post that they've tried to take over a thing. right? you know, the one white nationalist group that said they were trying to do something this time, they are actively trying to foment a second civil war. that's not really the case with antifa. we know this is -- antifa is a loose collective. it's a loosely defined group. intentionally. some cases it's just one or two people giving out advice. it's not really, you know, you can't really define them and nail them down as one specific kind of group. and to define larger sects of protesters as this, it would be unfair to the movement which, you know, we see a lot of terrible stuff in the news. we see a lot of the most -- you know, we keep flying over these looted stores and things like that and there have been tons of peaceful protests all throughout the day and all throughout the cities, all throughout the country. so to lump those two things together would be unfair both to protesters and to police. >> ben collins who lives in the digital world of extremist groups and misinformation. ben collins. thank you very much. let's now go to philadelphia. you're seeing these images, these aerials. let's go to another part of philadelphia where we find my colleague and anchor, ayman mohyeldin. ayman, what do you have? >> reporter: so, katy, we are here right in the heart of philadelphia. in the center of the city. in fact, we're right between city hall and the municipal building and it's a very different scene that's unfolded here over the past couple days. there is no doubt this is the epicenter of the protest for a whole host of reasons. one, the statue you see behind me, frank rizzo statue, former mayor of philadelphia, also former police commissioner, has been the lightning rod, if you will, of so many protests taking place here because of what he symbolized in this city's past. now, that in itself is up for debate, but a lot of the protesters very angry with the fact that that statue remains here in place. it was spray painted. it was vandalized. in fact, officials here cleaned it up early this morning. the center right now has been somewhat quiet for the past 12 hours or so because officials have really reinforced the police presence down here. have really shut down -- we walked around the city for a few minutes, got a chance to see some of the streets that were vandalized over the past couple days. a lot of the windows have been boarded up after the looting and rioting took place in those areas. for the most part, though, as i was saying, this area tonight has been very quiet. the focus of the protests and the demonstrations and in some areas, the looting, has now focused on in western philadelphia. the police commissioner in this city trying to maintain the peace a little bit. you're not seeing a lot of direct confrontation, in fact, the police lost 15 or so vehicles. many of them set on fire. as a result of some of those demonstrations, smashing those windows, lighting those cars on fire. for the most part, though, as i was saying this evening, with the presence of the national guard expected later on, a curfew put in place, public transportation completely shut down until tomorrow morning. there's been very little activity here. the underlying question, though, remains what happens in the days ahead. and we're going to see as the week gets under way tomorrow morning, when the city kind of re-opens again, to what extent we're going to see an emergence of reemergence of protests and demonstrations. for the most part, tonight in the city center, it is quiet, it is calm. most of the activity is focused in the western part of philadelphia where there remains some looting of targets and other stores in that area. katy? >> again, what a difference from the images we saw last night across the country including in philadelphia. ayman, thank you very much. when we come back, we're going to talk to the mayor of portland, oregon, where they extended the curfew another night after protesters and police clashed again in downtown today. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else. so why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms which most pills don't. get all-in-one allergy relief for 24 hours, with flonase. which most pills don't. ♪ ♪ the calming scent of lavender by downy infusions calm. laundry isn't done until it's done with downy. ♪[ siren ] & doug give me your hand! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ with me now is the mayor of portland. the images out of your city have been distressing at times. you have another curfew today. what are you expecting as it gets darker in your city? >> we've had a curfew two nights. three nights ago we had extensive looting and vandalism. tonight we have a couple thousand people protesting in two different locations. so far it's been largely peaceful. there's been a little bit of violence towards the police officers throwing water bottles and the likes. but so farthings seem to be pretty good. >> so what is the tactic in order to keep things under control? what we have seen in cities across the country and in just the past hour, a lot of the protests and a lot of the tension, a lot of the protestors have dissipated. part of that is the curfew, another part is the police maybe having a bigger strategy, the national guard coming in. what do you do in order to calm things down or does'9" ju it ju its course? >> every then administratidemon different. but we don't tolerate violence or vandalism. we established a curfew like dozens of other cities. we have limited public transportation and tonight, we took an unusual step in closing off on-ramps into the city of portland, because we heard anecdotally that some of the then str demonstrators were coming from outside the city. but i want to underscore this -- there are many people in this city, particularly black portlanders who are very frustrated that all of the discussion around violence, chaos, looting, is overshadowing the larger message around justice and the death of george floyd and what i'm hearing in particular from black portlanders is they don't want us to lose the larger context around the fight for justice for black people in america. >> and looking at these images from portland from saturday, what we're seeing are young people, lots of white boys with skateboards. where is the message that these protestors are sending by damaging buildings? is it a message that i guess would they be heard? would this moment in our history be heard as loudly as it is being heard right now without all of this chaos? without all of this drama? >> you know, that's a very provocative question, and i've had a lot of discussions with people in the community about that. of course, there is a long and strong history of demonstration here in portland as well as around the country. that's a very american value. if you look back into our own past, there have been times when provocation, even some aspects of violence have shed light on important civil rights issues. but what's happening here, we have black leaders in our community saying hey, if you're a young white person and you're committing acts of vandalism, don't do it in my name, because that's not honoring the legacy of george floyd. that's not what the black community represents. and frapg nkly, that's not a portland value either. so we don't support or condone violence or vandalism in the name of any political ends. >> open up social media, you'll see that happening and small interactions all over the country, people going up to people, other people and saying don't do this. mr. mayor, thank you for joining me. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >> good luck in portland tonight. i appreciate all of your time. and it is 8:56 in portland. it is 11:56 here on the east coast. that will do it for me. joshua johnson continues our coverage after a short break. joshua johnson continues our coverage after a short break talking about bundling and saving...umm... jamie, you're cutting out. sorry i'm late! hey, whoever's doing that, can you go on mute? 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(doorbell rings) - [crowd] grubhub! (fireworks exploding) i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you tonight from nbc news world headquarters in new york. picking up our continuing breaking news coverage. it is midnight in the east. 9:00 in the west. we are now entering another night of protests following the death of mr. george floyd. the anger is growing across the country, the calls for justice are louder, and in washington, d.c., lafayette park, secret service and the national guard are among those who surrounded protesters. in downtown boston, a police car was set on fire, as thousands of people marched through the city streets. protests in los angeles also turned fiery again as more police vehicles were set on fire there. while protesters in minneapolis where all of this started continued to take to the streets. so much for us to catch up on this evening and we begin in santa monica with gadi schwartz,
portrayed a street festival with food and activities but some residents describe the frightening scene with armed leaders in chaos, the president says local leaders do not restore law and order he may step in and get it done. welcome to fox news at night. as much as the president admires the military there are questions how top military brass feels about him. >> there is clear disagreement according to republican-controlled senate armed services committee, the defense secretary, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the secretary of the army on one side and the president of the united states on the other over renaming ten bases honoring confederate generals. it's not the only domestic political issue facing the army. >> my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of military involvement into mastic politics. ever commissioned uniformed officer it was a mistake. >> reporter: general mark millie's first comments on his walk to st. john's church with donald trump isn't the only thing dividing them in the commander-in-chief, he says he's open to renaming fort benning, home of the infantry, fort bragg, home of the airborne special forces and the list goes on. general david petraeus wrote a country where bragg, or robert e lee serves as inspiration acknowledging the fact as imperative but donald trump said by administration will not even consider the renaming of these military installations. today he doubled down. senator elizabeth pocahontas warren introduced an amendment on renaming our military bases, hopefully our great republican senators won't for this. >> hearing will come to order. >> the republican-controlled senate armed services committee gave the military 3 years to rename basis. while congress debates, demonstrators are taking matters into their own hands pulling down a confederate war statue important, virginia, injuring one of their own in the process. in philadelphia they spray-painted a statue of mattias baldwin writing colonial lies are in murder, baldwins was well-known during the time of slavery and an argument abolitionist who argued for black suffrage and subsidized the education of african-american children. renaming bases and taking down statues are relatively easy but things could get more complicated. washington and jefferson were both slaveholders. if the left goes farther and demands the removal of homages to their memories like renaming cities it could prove more difficult. >> we are in that moment now, thank you. amid the destruction and removal of confederate statues and monuments the battle lines have been drawn in the dispute over renaming military bases after those named by confederate leaders. let's go to former commander of fort bragg north carolina general jack keane, good to have you with us. >> delighted to be here. shannon: a big debate whether these bases will be renamed, the weather that will be part of the national defense authorization, whether the president will veto it. you commanded one of these basis, they've taken on their own history the past several years but is it time to rename them? >> i did command and it was an honor to do that. i was also interested, my first assignment as a brand-new second lieutenant at the second airborne division in the army, let me be clear about these bases, these are united states army bases that were named after confederate generals who were trying to destroy the united states as we know it. they were committing treason to be frank about it. we did not try them for treason, that was a great call because we wanted to reconcile the nation but we took a step much too far in naming the use bases but there is a challenger, the challenge is this. for 100 years fort bragg, most don't even know who braxton bragg is but for 100 years these bases, this is one of the most prestigious have participated in all the foreign wars the united states have been involved in in the twentieth century in the 19 years of the 21st century, they served with honor and distinction, the history of these bases is rich and it is enduring, this is where they deployed from and where they came back from so as we have this national conversation about what is appropriate i don't believe we should be so dismissive of this history. i'm informed by condoleezza rice, former secretary of state who is a black woman as we knew, grew up in the south and said after the charlottesville incident and we began to take the statues down she advised us be careful, we should not sanitize our history and i think that is sage advice. i've got an open mind on this. of the congress of the united states are moving in a direction reflecting the attitudes of the american people, and there is overwhelming support in terms of bipartisan support which is merely stages of that, if that actually happens i'm inclined to keep the bases as they are because of the history of our soldiers and what they have accomplished, not because of braxton bragg or these are the confederate generals. there is no discussion about them. we don't draw any inspiration from them but our soldiers draw inspiration from each other and from what they did together on behalf of the united states of america but if the american people through their elected representatives want to change then i think we should be open to it. >> we will see. i want to ask about general millie with the joint chiefs of staff, much has been made about his role in walking the president and other administrations to the church that had been burned the night before, a lot of distraction there in lafayette park, there's been a lot of talk about him apologizing, the new york times is the back-and-forth between donald trump and the pentagon recent days as evidence of the deepest civil military divide since the vietnam war except this time military leaders are positioning themselves firmly with those calling for change, do they have that wrong? how do you interpret his apology about being part of this? >> i don't buy that this is the greatest of all military divide since the vietnam war but the american people deserve to know what is all the fuss about here? here is what the fuss is. the united states military, every soldier, every sergeant, every officer, every general is prohibited from participating in any political event in uniform. general millie when he walked through lafayette park did not know that he was heading towards a political event and when he realized that as things were taking shape, in front of st. john's church and a photo op he recognized that that would be a perception of a political event and he slipped away but nonetheless he was in uniform and he was walking towards that political event. the apology he made publicly was about that, the perception was that he was violating a prohibition of the united states military and he is far from the united states military. he talked to the president about this and apologize to the president for putting him, the president in a position to create this firestorm. i don't believe the president even knows is a prohibition against a military general from participating in a military event in uniform. he probably wanted to do it. i haven't asked him, to bring his people around him, his team to go to st. john's church because it got burned down the night before. in the public's mind, that became a political event driven largely by the media in my judgment but that was the perception. i think billy did the right thing, stood up for it. is not contrasting himself against the president, he is admitting he made a mistake, came close to violating a prohibition of the united states military. in his mind there was a perception but he wanted to get the record straight about that and he is no further away from the president as a result of that apology in my mind. i think the president has significant confidence in millie, he's a straight talker, knows what he's talking about, he disagrees with the presence at times but that's good. >> i think i'll presidents should want that. there is more contact with the story and background. thank you for providing it. always good to see you. this is a fox news alert. police in central california continuing to search for a man suspected of shooting a deputy. in an ambush attack on wednesday and then shooting at least one more officer today. police found the body of a 58-year-old man at a local train station. he had been shot in the head at close range. officials do believe these incidents are related. that person still on the loose misspoke on capitol hill autonomous zone remains in place in seattle. a police free 6 block area that includes the empty east precinct building vacated by police on monday. >> the precinct was not my decision. we fought for days to protect. i asked you to stand on that line day in and day out, to be pelted with projectile's, to be screened at, threatened and in some cases hurt, then to have a change of course nearly 2 weeks in, seems like an insult to you in our community. ultimately the city had other plans for the building and we will lend into severe public pressure. >> that was seattle's police chief addressing her officers today and she is telling us where we are tonight. >> the area of downtown seattle they name the capitol hill autonomous zone or chad, 6-month of nirvana, part commune, part physical, music, poetry, free food, free speech and free of cops but outside cops are still working and getting complaints about protesters inside the zone frisking residents enforcing business owners to pay protection money to armed guards. the new local law is a we morphed into a lord of the flies type enforcement with one social media post showing someone accused of wrongdoing being surrounded by a crowd and interrogated with one interrogator brandishing a baseball bat. seattle police say they are trying to respond. >> 9 one one response time has tripled in the area from 5 minutes to 18 minutes for these really important calls and secondary calls taken by now. >> law enforcement officials are urging police to take back the chad but it is up to the new self-appointed police force led by a rapper named racz simon who got into a zone altercation with somebody putting graffiti on a building. there is a video of mister simon rocking around the area with a gun which their number one demand is seattle police be abolished and all armed forces be banned. the other 17 demands are socialist variety that include free college, free healthcare and free housing. they also demand illegal immigrants be called undocumented immigrants, ironic, that demand was drafted inside a freedom loving compound surrounded by makeshift barrier to keep people out. today during his interview with harris fokker donald trump talks about the situation in seattle. >> not going to let seattle be occupied by anarchists to see a performance i have never seen. you think he was a good person in minneapolis, has she ever done this before? >> you talking about progressive seattle mayor jenny durgin who protesters are demanding resign for refusing to abolish the police. so far the mayor is holding her ground a couple hours down the road from seattle and portland, oregon the city commissioners just voted to defund the police budget by $15 million and eliminate 84 positions. shannon: a suspected shooting of two law enforcement officers in california, authorities have just wrapped up the pressure and we believe the suspect is on the run and we will keep you updated as we learn more. protesters are marching in the streets of new york again tonight and bill diblasio and his family jump on the defense police bandwagon. alex hogan putting live with the latest details. >> reporter: another day of protests with many of them beginning here in washington square park as protesters demands racial equality and police reform as the mayor and the city's first lady change tune. >> whether she's african-american or is an african-american woman or the notion that someone who has strong views, progressive views is playing such an important role. >> reporter: bill diblasio defending his first lady from critics over her prominent role in the administration specifically her stance on scaling back the nypd. >> i can't imagine there being no police force, that would be a utopia we are nowhere close to getting to. the ideal would be having a different culture than we have now. >> reporter: the nypd commissioner defending his officers saying you notice a change already taking place. >> policies and practices we put in place are many of the 4 reforms being recommended today far from perfect. but we recognize what is going on. >> reporter: bill diblasio announced a plan to shift the $6 billion budget to youth programs and mental health care for minority communities. protesters across the nation have been calling on police officers to join them in solidarity but according to the new york post one nypd with senators apologizing for kneeling with the group on may 30 first saying one protester who saw it would later think twice about fighting or hurting at top, i was wrong. as the city continues to reopen the police are dealing with the aftermath of days of violent looting including offering a $2,500 reward for information on a group that broke into macy's flagship store in midtown manhattan. so far four people have been charged with burglary but overall most of these protests have been very peaceful. shannon: thank you, alex. breaking news on the republican convention and what would happen if protesters tried to take over a city in texas. dan patrick, the lieutenant governor of that state is live next. guys, times are tough. but force factor's test x180 can help us man up, america, by boosting total testosterone. build muscle, fuel desire, and improve performance. get test x180 from force factor, the #1 fastest-growing men's health brand at walmart. ♪ you're the engine that makes all 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policing, also as we look and watch, he is breaking news on the convention for the rnc, white house correspondent kevin cork is tracking all the details for us tonight as the door has been opened. >> sometimes being second choice can be a blessing in disguise, jacksonville, florida was not the gop first pick for the big summer convention, that was charlotte, north carolina but the tar heel state's democratic governor wouldn't commit to letting the show go on even with additional safety protocol so the gop pulled out and headed south to the sunshine state. lenny curry says the announcement is exciting news for the city of jacksonville. i enthusiastically welcome the opportunity to highlight everything our city has to offer along with tremendous economic impact. we look forward to hosting the 2020 rnc for all delegates and guests to enjoy. the convention was expected to stand four days in north carolina bringing and 50,000 people, pumping $150 million into charlotte's economy but governor roy cooper said he couldn't guarantee the delegates could fill the spectrum arena due to his covid-19 concerns so the president for his part spent the day in dallas where he announced plans for an executive order on policing that would advise police departments to adopt national standards for the use of force and while his administration says it would support better training, it was strongly reject efforts to defund the police. >> some trying to stoke division and push an extreme agenda which we won't go for that will produce more poverty, more crime, more suffering. this includes radical efforts to defund, dismantle and disband the police. >> all this on a day we learned 1.5 million displaced workers applied for unemployment benefits last week, evidence many would argue that a lot of americans are still losing their jobs even as the economy appears to be slowly recovering. stocks suffered the biggest 1-day pullback in 3 months following 800 points, almost 7% on fears of a covid-19 resurgence and comments by the fed chair that spooked some investors in those comments through the iron of one important investor that being the president of the united states. we are taking a look, the president is making his way to marine one. jillian: looking live as the president has touched down, marine one will transport him to his final location, thank you so much. as we watch that, texas is reporting record highs of new covid-19 cases and hospitalizations as stage iii of reopening the lone star state is set to begin and if you are is when restaurants will filter 75% capacity. >> at some point we have to live our lives again but there are people at high risk for that not everyone can move on and act like it is not here. >> everything should be all right. >> let's talk about the reopening of the recent spike in the president's trip to dallas with dan patrick, good to have you back. >> i spent the full day with the president walking into the studio as he was leaving air force one so we had a full day and a powerful day of a message of bringing our country to gather, two african americans because, jack brewer and scott turner, former nfl players who are all in for the president, jack brewer said he once led the nfl players for barack obama, donald trump is the first republican he ever voted for and i felt a real coming to gather and this president is going to lead us through this. let me share this, you asked what we are seeing in seattle ever happen in texas, not on your life. if we had a mayor or a police chief that did this in a texas town we would call in the national guard, call in the rangers, the department of public safety and put a end to it and we would arrest those who are in my view extorting money from folks, threatening people in their own homes. i want the people of america to understand what they are seeing, this is what america will be if joe biden and the democrats win and for the independents and soccer moms, those groups who lean democrat, your family's life will be in danger and all you have to do, we are seeing the laboratory, this experiment. can you imagine you and your family living in one of these residentss in this area having to show your id before going to your own home, this is unimaginable in america. shannon: this is how the new york times is talking about it, what has emerged as an extremity life without the police, part festival, part commune, hundreds of get it to your speeches, poetry and music, tuesday night, people sat in the middle of an intersection, walking -- watching us about the criminal justice system, children made chalk drawings in the middle of the street. is it a bit much, are you overstating it by saying people lives are in danger? >> when you take out law enforcement, let the mob control your life this is no different than isis taking over cities in the middle east, these are people with guns threatening people who may or may not agree with them. >> they are not be hitting people and throwing them off buildings. >> they are not be hitting people and thrown them off buildings were taken away their freedom, their liberty, they are charging a fee for protection like the mob would or a gang would. is this the way you want to live? the way anyone in america wants to live? the police are gone and some guy with a gun, show me your papers. this would never stand in any state run by a republican governor. putting american lives in danger, this is unbelievable, unbelievable. >> most of america looks at this and thinks the same thing but i want to ask about covid-19 in texas, cases shot up by a third in the last two weeks, governor abbott has plans for all businesses to keep expand capacity by the end of the week, a lot of troubling headlines out of texas with this dangerous virus. >> the numbers are always misunderstood. reopening phase i, we had 50 deaths and you asked the same question which was a question in the next era two days offer we were deck -- back to 12, 10 or whatever the number was. here's the deal. in america and in texas we are testing more and more people, the more people we test the more positives we will find. of course they will go up. we have to look at the percentages and our percentages are well under 10%, well under 7%. we have 254 counties. when this all started in march we were testing in 10 or 12 counties, we are testing in 230 counties. if we find four cases in each county there are 800 new cases, these are not 800 cases, we are finding people who had it before because now we are testing and sometimes we get a dump of numbers from other, our fatalities are not going up and hospitalizations went down today as did new cases by 700. shannon: great news, we want to hear it, thank you, good to see you. donald trump sits down with harris fokker for timely and provocative conversation next. massmutual healthbridge is a free life insurance program just for healthcare workers fighting covid-19. learn more at 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discussion with religious leaders, law enforcement officials and small business owners a >> the president in dallas for a roundtable discussion with religious leaders, law enforcement officials and small business owners to unveil the plan to rebuild and renew america. our colleague harris falconer caught up with a very busy president. >> reporter: i talked with the president about a host of issues including the protests in response to george lloyd's death. the policing reforms the president would support and i asked him of the most controversial presidential tweet, the point you feel the protesters, it is heartbreaking, it is feared that things may not change and we have some who are vulnerable, people of color, you talk about some unsung police departments, 90% of fully support across the us are former military. that touches me when you look at how we fix it talk about police reform. you call yourself the law and order president, what does that mean? >> we do good things but we also have to police and law enforcement strong, we have to do it right. they have to be trained in the proper way and have to do it right. the sad thing is when you see an event like that, more than 8 minutes of horror, it is a disgrace and then people start saying -- maybe they don't think about it that much, doesn't make a difference, the fact is the start saying -- police aren't like that. i've seen so many incredible things they do but you don't see that you don't put it on fox, you don't put on television. >> we do. but you know what else i see. we have asked our offices to do so much, solving our homeless issue, solving domestic violence calls, which can be absolutely unpredictable. at the same time we can't live without them feeling ready, suicide rates are up among police officers so we know that the issues. >> a very tough job. the police officers, they get stabbed by a terrorist, what is this all about. we've seen terrible things happen to police officers also and there's that line that most of the police officers are really good people. if there were more toughness we wouldn't have the kind of devastation you had in minneapolis and seattle. i will tell you they don't string situation out we are going to string and out. >> what you mean by that. governor cuomo so absurd they are bill diblasio, that will display some, don't know how that would work. is that what you mean? >> we are not going to let seattle be occupied by anarchists and i'm not calling them protesters, got to see a performance i have never seen, you think he was a weak person in minneapolis, has she ever done this before? it was pathetic. we are not going to let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in and the governor, let the governor do it, he has great national guard troops but one way or the other it is going to get done. these people are not going to occupy a major portion of the great city. >> a few more things i want to talk about, you look at me and i am on tv, i am a black woman and when -- you talked about it but we haven't seen you come out, and the tweets, when the looting shirts the student -- the shooting starts. >> that is an expression i've heard over the years. >> you know where it comes from? >> i think the mayor of philadelphia. >> it comes from 1957, i was 18 months old, everybody shooting. the chief of police in miami was cracking down and he said i don't care if it makes it look like brutality in the crackdown, when the looting shirts the student -- when the looting starts the shooting starts. that frightened a lot of people. >> a very tough mayor, might have been a police commissioner at the time, the mayor of philadelphia called frank rizzo, he had an expression like that. it means two things, very different things, one is if there is moving there's going to be shooting, that's not a threat, that's just a fact because that is what happens and the other is if there's looting there's going to be shooting. there are different meanings. >> do most 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vote giving graham broad subpoena authority for the investigation into the crossfire hurricane investigation. let's talk about it with the man who got the ball rolling on the latest development, when he was acting director and national intelligence ambassador richard grenell. good to have you back with us. i want to put something up for viewers to see, some of the names of people they will recognize it could be subject to subpoenas, andrew mccabe, james comey, lisa page, peter stzrok, why is it important we hear from them and do you think we will? >> we should hear from everybody. we should hear why this russian investigation was started because clearly what we're finding out as we look more information the grounds were very shaky and red flags were raised from the very beginning that this wasn't an accurate portrayal of what the steel dossier was saying about the trump campaign. i like to have transparency, having more people speak to talk about this under oath is a healthy process. i also think i lived through the wmd scandal and having truth and reconciliation process to come clean on a matter that everybody now knows was really a false narrative, the russian collusion was really a hoax, it was not true. we have some people hanging on to information that seems silly when you look at the charges, the charges were the trump campaign was colluding with the russians but when you look at the declassified information, the transcripts, you see an intelligence community where individuals raised red flags very early on saying, not only is this a problem of the narrative that there is no collusion going on but the russians were involved in helping spread propaganda into the dossier from the very beginning and people were raising red flags and their voices were pushed out, when i looked at the information it wasn't revealing sources and methods if it was declassified, just seem to be embarrassing for those who push the narrative and i think it is important to have transparency, transparency is never political, it should be done on both sides. >> this is classifying of material which you started at d and i is part of this but now the subpoenas, and waiting on the durham investigation. a number of democrats say this is a waste of time, it is political stunt the president has said since 2015, chairman graham needs the room more than ever before. it is a huge waste of time and taxpayer dollars. >> i'm sympathetic to people who think something is a huge waste of time and i would say it was a huge waste of time for three years to have this russian investigation when the evidence showed there were early red flags that the whole thing was a bust and that is exactly what has happened. i was very saddened to read as the dni that 53 transcripts, people who under oath in front of the house would say i saw nothing, no evidence of collusion, didn't see any evidence whatsoever, these were people that would say this under oath but go on television and say a completely different story. if anything we owe it to the public to come clean and to show this information, they shouldn't be afraid of transparency if they think there is nothing there let's be transparent. >> good to see you. american stepping up to exercise their second amendment rights in record numbers, we have the story next. wherever you go when we're all free to roam, midas can help get you there. through july 4th celebrate your freedom with our $17.76 oil change... that includes a tire rotation. when you're ready, your car should be too. midas. >> shannon: i made calls to defund the police, many american say okay, >> amid calls to defend police, i will buy my own gun. >> just after midnight on the night of the heaviest writing in washington dc william kim was murdered at him, lewis/the frontier of the convenience store he owns. it was an hour before overwhelmed police responded. kim wouldn't tell me whether he owns a gun but he does dislike the restrictive gun control laws. >> make it easier to get it, easier, it should be much easier. >> in los angeles megan manley watched the protests on tv and supported them until writing and moving came to the next town over. >> all the craziness going on, the chaos, to protect my home if something were to happen. >> she did what she never thought she would do, she bought a gun. >> in the month of april over 70,000 firearms were sold, which is a 400% rise in sales. somewhere north of 80% of those words to first-time gun buyers. >> that's just california. is happening across the country. at first spurred by the covid-19 epidemic and fears of supply shortages, it produced a second spiking gun sales, a third spike is underway as americans hear this kind of talk. >> the criminal background check system has processed 15 million background checks in the first 5 months of 2020 besting the previous 5 month record by 3 million the national shooting sports foundation reports 40% of gun sales so far this year were to first-time buyers. many areas hit by writing tend to be progressive democratic enclaves like washington's georgetown but even here some shop owners told us, quietly and off camera they are prepared to take protection into their own hands. >> that is it for us in washington. 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here. >> harris: you know, mr. president, with all that's happened in the last couple weeks, i feel like we are at one of those historical moments where future generations will look back and they will decide who we were. are you the president to unite all of us, given everything that is happening right now? >> president trump: well, i certainly think so, and i certainly hope so. the relationships we have are incredible, the spirit of this country, especially considering what happened. we had come out of nowhere, a plague come in from china. it just came in, and it came to all over the world. it went all over the world. looking at 186 countries, and they were devastated. we were certainly hit very hard. some were hit harder than us, relatively. but we were hit very, very hard. now we are making our comeback, and on top of it, we we have the riots, which were unnecessary to the extent they wear. if the governors and mayors would have taken a stronger action, i think the riots, you could call them protesters, you could call them riots. different nights, different things. in minneapolis, they went numerous nights and i said, "you have to get the garden there." they could have done that really are. now you look at what's going on in -- you can look at a couple of places that are in such great shape, but then you look at seattle. with that all about? how did they allow that to happen? it's just a bad philosophy. so, i think it's incredible where we are and what we've done, considering where we came from. we were riding high, the greatest economy in history, we had the greatest employment numbers in history, including black, african-american -- if you look at the african-american numbers, they were incredible. best they've ever written. spanish, if you look at hispanic and asian numbers, women numbers, everybody. then we got hit with this plague, this horrible plague, and it was devastating in many ways. including the lives that were lost. that can never be regained. economics, we are going to be great. next year we will have a fantastic year. i think we'll have a fantastic third quarter. but you can never replace their lives. >> harris: i want to talk to you about where we are just in terms of the black community, people of color. you know, i hear you use the word "rider," and i understand, we covered it on fox news. i covered it at night as it was bursting a couple saturday nights ago. the looting. it was heartbreaking to see businesses, small businesses, which we know employ north of 66% -- it was. at the same time, you had peaceful protesters, and they were hurting, and i know from your team that you watched that 8 minutes and 46 seconds of george floyd. >> president trump: i did. >> harris: mr. president, your response to that is different than a person of color. and i'm a mom. when he called out "mom," on that tape, it is a hard punch. i'm curious, from you, what do you think the protesters -- not the looters and the rioters. we are intelligent enough to know the difference in our country. what do you think they want, what do you think they need right now from you? >> president trump: for different reasons, you had protesting also because they just didn't know. i watched it very closely. "why are you here?" they really weren't able to say. they were there for a reason, perhaps, but a lot of them were really there because they are following the crowd. a lot of them were there because what we witnessed was a terrible thing. what we saw was a terrible thing. and we seen it over the years. you know, this was one horrible example, but you've seen other terrible examples. you know that better than anybody would know it. and i know it, i've seen it, too. i've seen it before i was president and during the presidency i've seen it. i think it's a shame. i think it's a disgrace. it's got to stop. at the same time, you also know that we have incredible people in law enforcement, and we have to cherish them and take care of them. we have to let something like this -- we have a bad apple come out and destroy the image of millions of people that take really good care of us. and we have a movement where they say, "let's not have a police department." where these people coming from? >> harris: do you think you are perhaps closer than the nation might have ever been right now with police reform? you've got both sides talking. you've got the third most powerful person in the house, james clyburn, saying no to defending police. we need reform. what are you in favor of? >> president trump: everyone understands that. i don't know, is it a stiff race to break things up? the one he was talking about some of the things that would be in a bipartisan bill. i can't put words in his mouth. >> president trump: and not talking about him, i'm saying when they talk about police, when they actually talk about beyond defunding, they actually go on. defunding to a lot of people means to break up the police forces. either that, or don't give them any money -- >> harris: what do you want to see? what does it mean for you? >> president trump: i want to see really compassionate but strong law enforcement, police force, but law enforcement. >> harris: say no to choke holds? >> president trump: i don't like choke holds. i will say this, as somebody who -- you grow up and you wrestle and you fight, or you see what happens, sometimes if you are alone and fighting somebody, it is tough. and you get somebody i in a choe hold, what are you going to do? and it's a real bad person, and you know that, and they do exist. we have some real bad people. he saw that during the last couple of weeks, we saw some very good people protesting and some bad people, also. and you've got somebody in a choke hold, what are you going to do? let go and say, "let's start over, i'm not allowed to have you in a choke hold?" it's a tough situation. if you have two people, and in the case were talking about, four people, and two of them i guess just pretty much started. it's a very tricky situation. >> harris: that's an interesting point. >> president trump: to talk about it, off the cuff it would sound like, "absolutely." but you think about it, and you realize, maybe there is a bad fight. and the officer gets somebody in a position -- >> harris: you say it's a sliding scale depending on what the circumstances are? >> president trump: i think you probably have to -- >> harris: do you want to be in that conversation? are you in that conversation? >> president trump: i really am, and i think the concept of choke holds sounds so innocent and so perfect. if it's two on one, that's a bit of a different story, depending. depending on the toughness and strength, we are talking about toughness and strength. we aren't talking about -- there's a physical thing here, also. if a police officer is in a bad scuffle, and he is gone somebody in a choke hold -- >> harris: it's a one-on-one fight for life. >> president trump: that happens, so we have to be careful. with that being said, i think it would be a very good thing, generally speaking, it should be ended. >> harris: that's interesting. do you want that to be a top-down federal, or at the local level? that's the question right now. >> president trump: it could be local level. in some cases it will be local level, but i think we can certainly make recommendations, and very strong recommendations. >> harris: you look at me, i am harris on tv, but i'm a black woman. i'm a mom. you know, you've talked about it, but we haven't seen you come out and be that consoler in this instance. and the tweets, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. why those words? >> president trump: so, that is an expression i've heard over the years. >> harris: do you know where it comes from? >> president trump: i think philadelphia, the mayor of philadelphia. speed when it comes from 1967, i was about 18 months old at the time. everybody is shooting wikipedia because they probably got it wrong. it was from the chief of police in miami. he was cracking down, and he meant what he said. he said, "i don't even care if it makes it look like brutality when we cracked down, when the looting starts, the shooting starts." that frightened a lot of people. >> president trump: that comes from a very tough mayor who might have been police commissioner at the time, but i think the mayor of philadelphia, named frank rizzo, he had his excursion like that. but if heard it many times. it's been used many times. it means two things come a very different things. one thing, if there is looting, there is probably going to be shooting, and that's not as a threat. that's really just a fact, because that's what happens. the other one is if there is looting there is going to be shooting. there are very different meanings. >> harris: interesting. >> president trump: there is very different meetings. >> harris: do you think most people see it that way? >> president trump: i think they see it both ways. i have had it viewed both ways. i think it's meant both ways, not by the same person. when they looting starts, often times it means there's going to be shooting, there's going to be deaf, there's going to be killing. it's a bad thing. and it's also used as a threat. it's used both ways. but if you think about it, look at what happened, how people were devastated with the looting. look at what happened. >> harris: your rally in oklahoma is set for june 19th. was that on purpose? >> president trump: you know, but i know exactly what you're going to say. >> harris: i'm just asking. [laughs] i have not got anything to say. >> president trump: my rally is a celebration. we are going to oklahoma, and if you think about it, relative to your question, think about it as a celebration. don't think about it as an inconvenience, think about this is a celebration. >> harris: it's on the day of african-american emancipation. it's the independence day. >> president trump: the fact that i'm having a rally on that day, you can really think about that very positively as a celebration. the rally, to me, is a celebration. it's going be a celebration, and it's an interesting date. it wasn't done for that reason, but it's an interesting date, but it's a celebration. >> harris: there is so much more to get to. former white house press secretary sarah sanders and former dnc spokesperson mo elleithee will join me next, as we watch much more for my exclusive one-on-one interview with president trump in dallas. there they are. we are live, coming back. ♪ ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i should get a quote. do it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. with nutrients to help support immune health. you should switch it to tracfone wireless to get more control over your wireless plan. they give you unlimited carryover data-- you pay for your data, you keep really? yeah, you just swap your sim card you can also keep your phone, keep your number, keep your network, $20 a month, no contract. oh, but that case- temporary- it's my daughter's old case- well, ok, you know. you do you. available 24/7 at tracfone.com tracfone wireless. now you're in control. feel the coolpowerful 24-hour, claritin cool mnon-drowsy,es. allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation for your throat. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years. you say that customers maklet's talk data.s. only xfinity mobile lets you switch up your wireless data whenever. i accept! 5g - everybody's talking about it. how do i get it? everyone gets 5g with our new data options at no extra cost. that's good. next item - corner offices for everyone. just have to make more corners in this building. chad? your wireless your rules. only with xfinity mobile. now that's simple easy awesome. switch and save up to $400 a year on your wireless bill. plus get $200 off a new samsung galaxy s20 ultra. >> harris: talk to me about police reform. you call yourself the "law & order" president. what does that mean? >> president trump: we are going to do lots of, i think, good things. but we also have to keep our police and our law enforcement strong. we have to do it right. they have to be trained in a proper manner. they have to do it right. again, the sad thing is that they are very professional. but when you see an event like that, with more than 8 minutes of horror, it's 8 minutes, really, of horror. it's a disgrace. and people start saying, "well, are all police like that?" they don't know. maybe they don't think about it that much. it doesn't make any difference. the fact is they start saying, "police are like that." police aren't like that. >> harris: president trump on what being the "law & order" president means to him. just one of the topics we've touched on during my exclusive sit down with him last night in dallas, texas. former dnc spokesperson, mo elleithee, is here to weigh in on all of this. first, i want to talk with former white house press secretary and fox news contributor, sarah sanders. sarah, it's great to see you today. let's unpack this just a little bit, because we've seen about 50% so far of the interview. we watch the rest throughout the show. "law & order," the president making it clear what that means. how does it resonate, a do you think, with his base and a wider range of voters across america? >> i think it should resonate with everyone in a positive way. i think the point the president is making, and i've heard him do it many times before, is come as a country, we must have law and order. that doesn't mean we also don't have compassion. i don't think there is a single person that i know or in this country that wasn't appalled by what happened to george floyd, including the president. that should never happen in this country. i think the president made that very clear, but that doesn't mean that every police officer in the country acts that way, or is a bad person or a bad officer. in fact, most police officers in this country are doing the best they can to protect the most vulnerable people in our society. we must have law and order in order to continue to be a country without chaos and anarchy. i think that's up with the present was making, and one i've heard him make many times befo before. >> harris: one of the things the president said as we were showing your audience this entire interview is now being picked up on wire services. reuters is quoting the president for saying choke holds might be needed in some one-on-one situations. the president says it would be a very good thing generally to end police choke holds. could be local level decision. that is all from our interview just moments ago. your reaction on how you might think that this would play out in a wider public, this idea that maybe in some instances you would have it? >> sarah: i think the bigger topic here, and the main thing we need to be focused on, is reform. i think we need to be looking at ways that we close the racial divide in this country. i think that what has happened has been horrific, but we are now having that conversation. i think it's an important want to have. you have the leader of the free world engaged in it, and looking at ways that we can do better. the most important thing we can do at this point, and moving forward, is to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. but that we come together as a country and we do better, because that's who we are as americans and that's what we have to stay focused on. how we close that racial divide, and how we make things better for the next generation and the next generation after that. >> harris: sarah sanders, you were in the room with me the first time i interviewed the president. you are white house press secretary at the time. the president is facing a much different situation now. i was asked this morning on "fox & friends," a behind-the-scenes question, what was his -- not his attitude, but point of view. how is he doing? he seemed the same to me. he's very focused, upbeat, got a lot of energy. but really honing on what he needs to do next. what are your impressions about the president is doing right n now? >> sarah: look, right now our country is at a pivotal moment. we have had unprecedented challenges face us through the covid crisis that has been going on for the last couple of months. one thing that i know is clear is that, at the end of this, one of the most important things to do in bringing the country together is to have a strong economy, to create opportunity for every american. to make sure every boy and girl across this country has the same opportunities. and you have to help do that through having a strong economy. no one is better suited to do that than someone who has done it before. and knows how to do that. that's donald trump. he can do it again. i don't think there are a lot of americans who honestly say they think joe biden can help rebuild the economy. i do think that's an important cornerstone of what we are going to need as we come out of the covid crisis, and as we put the country back together and bring the country back together. that is going to be important and i think donald trump can help us get there. >> harris: sarah sanders, thank you for being with me. good to see you. >> sarah: thanks, harris. >> harris: meanwhile, i asked the president if he could be both a law an law law and ordert and a consoler. amid so much turmoil in the nation. his answer, and more of my exclusive interview. ♪ ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. 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>> president trump: i think so. i think the law and order president can keep a situation like seattle from ever happening. it should never happen. what happened in seattle, what happened in minneapolis, should never happen. >> harris: you had some harsh words to say about seattle's mayor. why? >> president trump: because i saw her break down, i saw her leave, i saw her have absolutely no control, and i sir make a lot of bad decisions, including don't do anything that's going to affect anybody. toughness sometimes is the most compassionate. because people are getting badly hurt. look at what happened in minneapolis, where they left the precinct. the city, which is -- is a great place. >> harris: the black police officer who was killed? >> president trump: by being compassionate, she thought she was being compassionate. or, in the case of minneapolis, the young gentleman, the mayor, thought he -- >> harris: mayor frey. >> president trump: what was that all about? look at the damage, and the travesty, the small businesses. and the death. look at what happened. by being soft and weak, you end up not being compassionate. it ends up being a very dangerous situation. >> harris: more of my exclusive interview with president trump. i was talking with him about some of his harsh language about the protests, and whether he can be both a law and order president and a consoler. the president, adamant that with compassion comes toughness. for more reaction, i am joined by mo elleithee, executive director of the institute of politics and public service at georgetown university. he is a former dnc spokesperson, also know i fox news contributor. mo, good to see you. one of the things the president said toughness has to come about has to do with the economy. he was talking yesterday and that church where i was in dallas, texas, about revival, and he specifically was talking about reviving that economy for people of color and for all americans, because we are in it together, to bring us back from the brink. he says that's how unique the situation is with compassion. what do you say about that? >> mo: look, i think what was really interesting but your interview with him was you gave him plenty of opportunities to show compassion and empathy for the struggles of the black community, and of those who are protesting in the streets for justice. you know, he showed a little bit, but he tended to lean more on the law and order side. i don't think he exhibited a ton of empathy for what people in the community are really going through. he wants to talk about the economy. fine, we should talk about the economy. it's one of the problems we're seeing right now. while we should all be very happy that the last job numbers showed things weren't as bad as economists had predicted, they did get worse for the black community. unemployment in the black community went up. he didn't talk about that. we have seen, with the pandemic, that communities of color are disproportionately affected. they are getting hit so much harder than other communities by the pandemic. he didn't talk about that. and while he is showing a lot of empathy for cops -- look, i've got lifelong friends who i grew up with who are in law enforcement at the federal and local level. i've got a member of my family -- >> harris: you and i have talked about that. >> mo: a local deputy sheriff. i care deeply about our men and women who are protecting and serving. but we can't deny that these problems are not -- we can't say they are entirely isolated. he isn't talking about the specific ways that we can reform police other than to say, "let's reform it." >> harris: well, he does. keep watching the show. >> mo: well, beyond just saying choke holds so far, i haven't heard it. >> harris: and, that's the whole purpose. i do want to hit this, though. it's why i bring you in at this point. in particular, economically, the president is looking at revival. nearly 9,000 of those opportunity zones. how do we stop black on black destruction? and i mean both violent crime and property. it hasn't worked under democratic leadership in democratic bastions like chicago and baltimore. those are the realities. you are looking to this president, he's focused on the economy, you know the optimal color right now has got to be green to bring people forward of all races and cultures in america. just a quick reaction to what i've said? >> mo: there's a lot of doubts that need to be connected here. we are seeing in justice right now. not just in the criminal justice system, but in the health care system, and also in the economic system, environment, so many different ways. we've got to connect those dots. we've got to deal with the underlying problems, where access to opportunity, access to capital in the black community, is lower -- >> harris: and he's talking about building that. >> harris: mo, good to see. i'm going to have to leave go. >> mo: you can't focus only on the economy. thanks, harris. >> harris: i'm going to actually go. keep watching. thank you. coming up, president trump's first on camera reaction to the situation in seattle where activists have occupied several blocks outside the cities abandoned precinct. we will hear from the head of the seattle police officers killed, next. ♪ payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today. because when you want to create an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery is all the difference in the world. the lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. i've been involved in. communications in the media for 45 years. i've been taking prevagen on a regular basis for at least eight years. for me, the greatest benefit over the years has been that prevagen seems to help me recall things and also think more clearly. and i enthusiastically recommend prevagen. it has helped me an awful lot. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. >> harris: president trump weighing in on the retired police captain killed by looters, allegedly won particularly in st. louis. he also gave his first on camera reaction to the situation in seattle where activists are still occupying a six block section of the city. and they are calling it an autonomous zone. watch. >> i want to talk with you about revitalization in black communities. the focus of the opportunity zone that you put into place, i think it was late 2017. how did senator does all of that fit intotalkind people right now wanting for the black community -- and not just black, but communities of color, people who are disadvantaged in general. the economy is the great unifier, right? >> president trump: i think i've done more for the black community than any other president, and let's take a pass on abraham lincoln, because he did good, although it's always questionable. in other words, the end result -- >> harris: we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well. [laughs] >> president trump: you understand what i mean. i will take a pass on honest abe come as a kind. >> harris: but you said you did more than any. >> president trump: criminal justice reform, nobody else could have done it. i did it. i didn't get a lot of notoriety, and the people that i'd did it for didn't go on television and think everybody but me. they needed me to get it done and i got it done, and i got five or six republican senators who had no interest in getting it done, and they were great. we got it done. we did that. the historically black colleges and universities were not funded, they weren't funded. i got them funded on a long-term basis and took care of -- i became friendly every year for three years. they were the heads, the deans, the presidents of the universities and colleges, they would come up. i got to know them. 44 or so people would come up to the oval office. first it was normal. i said, "all right, let's do it." second year i said, "why are you back again?" here i said, "why are you here?" and they said, "for ever years d to come back every year. we are to beg for money." i said, "you should be begging. you should be back at your colleges and universities in teaching." i got them long-term money, more than they had. much more than they had. and i got it permanent. they don't have to come back into washington, d.c. i said, "the only bad part is i won't see you again maybe." >> harris: [laughs] >> president trump: because they were great people. but i took care of that opportunity zone. i did that. prison reform. harris, honestly -- >> harris: those opportunity zones? >> president trump: the opportunity zones, vast amounts of money are going into areas that never got money. they are investing. the people had tax advantages, they get certain advantages, otherwise they won't put up their money. it affects tremendously the employment and areas that were absolutely dead or dying. >> harris: so they should bounce back faster. either from the pandemic or from this latest round of construction. >> president trump: we will get this straightened out. we can never gain back all of those lives that were lost. outside of that, we are going to be in very strong shape. we have tremendous stimulus, a lot of things happening. >> harris: i was going to toggle right then to former commander in louisville, i believe, david doran. >> president trump: i called his wife last night. >> harris: you talked with anne-marie? >> president trump: yes. >> harris: it didn't get a lot of coverage. we talked about on both measures on fox. but his murder was streamed live on fox. african-american cop. these have been really tough couple of weeks. you have lost people of color on both sides of what i guess would be termed as a fight, although i think we are all in this together. and we got to get to a better place. speech he was chief doran, i spoke to his wife, she was devastated. sounds just like a great woman. i said, "did you see all the people that went to that funeral?" it was incredible. it wasn't covered. this was an african-american top guy, many years on the forest. killed by looters. he wasn't being aggressive, either. >> harris: he was defending his friend. >> president trump: he was a very professional guy and he was killed. the people got it, because i don't know if you got to see that, but -- >> harris: the visitation on one day in the funeral the next. >> president trump: it was around the block. he was a great gentleman. i say this, if there are more toughness, wouldn't have the kind of devastation that you had in minneapolis and in seattle. what's going on in seattle. but i will tell you, if they don't straighten that situation out, we are going to straighten it out. >> harris: what do you mean that you might buy that? i don't know if you caught it, but governor cuomo was so set by mayor de blasio he said he would to place him. i don't know how that would work, but it is that what you seen seattle? >> president trump: won't let seattle be occupied. he was weak person. in minneapolis, the woman -- has she ever done this before? >> harris: in seattle. >> president trump: it was pathetic. no, we are not going to let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in, we will go in. the governor, let the governor do it. he has great national guard troops, he can do it. one way or the other it's going to get done. these people are not going to occupy a major portion of the great city. they are not going to do it. and they can solve that problem very easily. >> harris: joining me now, the president of the seattle police officers killed. michael, thank you for being with me. when you hear the president say that he is willing to take charge, take care of what's happening in seattle, what is your reaction? >> michael: hi, harris. thank you for having me. this is such an important societal topic that sadly, what's happened in seattle, that conversation has been stolen by unreasonable activists in the city of seattle. now they control six square blocks. they control the precinct. that is a direct result of our city elected officials lacking the political willpower to enforce the rule of law. much like your topic of your show, law and order. great interview, by the way. thank you. this is the closest i've ever seen our country, let alone the city, to becoming a lawless state when public safety issues are deeply concerning. as a seattle resident, it was very profound. what's to stop them from taking another precinct? as i said last night, 300 protesters marched on it two nights ago great officers were ordered back inside, outside the perimeter. if we lose that flagship precinct, that houses the 911 communications center. therefore, if becomes disabled, how do we provide public safety services to the entire city? this is how serious this conversation is. but we are more than willing as a membership to have these tough conversations about race. in fact, we came up with our own concept, the protection plan, engaging in the disadvantage communities, where our own people, our police officers, partnering with the community, have raised over 4 tons of food to donate to those most in need in our inner city. very, very troubling issue going on right now in seattle. >> harris: i want to give another stab at it. when you are the president say that he is going to help you take care of what's going on there and take charge of the situation, you are talking about losing your 911 center, another precinct, potentially. anything can happen. what is your reaction to him offering or saying he's going to jump in? >> michael: we need leadership from somebody. it's not occurring in the city right now. we've lost the ability as a police force, with the primitive justice policies regarding crowd control, there is a portion of our seattle city council, the unreasonable activists crowd, a very small group that are trying to rustle control with city hall. they have removed our ability to have less lethal tools to properly defend the police facilities. it's putting my membership at great risk for energy. if dozens injured. i don't know another way how we can defend, protect that critical police facility in the city without the adequate, less lethal tools to keep a crowd back. >> harris: michael, i'm going to step in real quick, because i want people to see -- he called that the unreasonable activists crowd. take a look at these demands. we are just going to put four of the 30 demands we know about from the protesters. abolish seattle pd on the court system. they want to get rid of the courts. abolish imprisonment. free college for the people of washington state. the gentrification of seattle, starting with rent control. real quick, your reaction to what they are demanding? again, that is 4 of 30. >> michael: fantastic example of unreasonable activism. the overall seattle community, the reasonable people fully support reasonable activism. not this unreasonable activism that, sadly, has taken our city hostage. and they own a precinct right now. that is a great example of what is going on here, and our political officials aren't leading right now. we need rule of law here. as a seattle resident, i am so embarrassed. as a proud professional public safety officer, we are more than willing to be brought to the table as a stakeholder. but we have yet to be invited, and our open letter to the mayor has yet to have been publicly acknowledged. we need some serious help in seattle. >> harris: i can tell you, from talking to the president of the united states, he is watching this very closely. you heard him himself. he will get in there if he has to. keep us posted here on "outnumbered overtime" what happens next. i'm sorry about the injuries to your officers. thank you for joining me. the highest ranking military officer in the united states armed forces says he regrets being photographed with president trump walking across lafayette square. the president answered my questions about that. hear what he had to say, next. ♪ mto all time lows.e now falln that's good news for veterans with va loans. that's me. by using your va streamline refi benefit, one call to newday usa can save you $2,000 a year. that's me. there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. that's me. put your va home loan benefits to good use. call my team at newday usa. >> harris: the relationship between president trump and the nation's top military brass came into focus this week. joint chiefs of staff chairman general mark milley spoke out yesterday on his walk with the president across lafayette square just days after defense secretary mark esper publicly split with the white house in opposing the use of active-duty troops to quell violent protests. i talked with the president about those remarks, as well as joe biden's recent suggestion that the military may need to get involved on inauguration day. watch. >> general milley con joint chiefs of staff, i don't know how much you knew that he was going to say today before he spoke. but he said he regrets having been there. he apologized about having been there on lafayette square with you for the picture. the infamous picture, as he walked to the church. >> president trump: i think it was a bit of a picture. i'll tell you, i think christians think it was a beautiful picture. >> harris: but why do you thinthink you hearing from general milley, from secretary of defense esper? and not why you think you are, but do you think it is significant? >> president trump: no, i don't think so. that's the way they feel, i think that's fine. i have good relationships with the military. i have rebuild our military. i spent $2.5 trillion. nobody else did. when we took over from president obama and biden, the military was a joke. the military was depleted. >> harris: i have one last question that has to do with joe biden. do you hear what he said today? >> president trump: no, i didn't. >> harris: okay. he said that he believes he will steal the election, and if you don't win, he thinks that military will escort you from the white house. >> president trump: look, joe is not all there. everybody knows that. it's sad, when you look at it. you see it. see it for yourself. he has created his own sanctuary city in the basement of wherever he is. and he doesn't come out. certainly, if i don't win, i don't win. you go on doing things. i think it would be very sad thing for our country. >> harris: joining me now, chris stirewalt, fox news all text editor. you are watching the very end of that interview, and the president very generous with his time. we covered so many topics. unpack it for us with what you think are the top lines. >> chris: well, certainly from what you heard right there, that was significant that trump backed down from engaging against his critics in the military. we have been watching to see what would happen to defense secretary esper, now with milley, the rebuke to the photo photo op. we would tell mike where leading to see what he would do, and what we heard him do was let it stand for a part of trump's problem in this election year is he keeps bringing the focus back on himself and these controversies. this is an example of a person making a good decision to say, "i'm not going to keep up this fight, because it gives too much fodder to my critics, so i'm going to let this one go." if you can stay there and not reengage on this conflict with military, then that is much better for him. >> harris: you know, there were points in the conversation with the president -- and i sometimes will terminate as a conversation more than a very formal interview, because we really were going back and forth on a lot of issues, and the president was, as you say, very present in those moments. he is focused, he is consistent. i think -- you know, i'm looking to you to kind of handicap it as we go forward in this election year. you spoke a little bit about where he needs to be on that issue. what about overall? >> chris: i thought one of those interesting moments overall was your education, the back and forth, the discussion about juneteenth, the discussion about the tulsa massacre, about putting these things in context, and the way that you dealt with that i thought was quite impressive. the president knows he is in a difficult space. he knows the questions of race in america's history of race. he is sometimes out of his depth, when he talks about rizzo, the heinous police commissioner, the races mayor of philadelphia. saying, "it was rizzo, not the guy in miami." and you are walking them through that. that was a moment, that is something that come in your career, 50 years from now, he would tell your grand children. 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reckoning on racial injustice and police violence in the aftermath of george floyd's killing by a minneapolis police officer, trump is still trapped in 1968 or maybe 1868. the new york times notes his public opinion on racism has shifted dramatically. trump is digging in. whether it's suggesting shooting protesters or sicking dogs on them or vigorously depending the confederate names slapped on u.s. military installations or arguing his maga supporters quote, "love the black people." since aparpparently so few are black people. he sounds like a relic detached but the country's political middle and some republican allies at his own military leaders in an interview with fox news, trump was asked about some of his most recent comments including tweet quoting a notorious former miami police chief whose policies sparked comparisons to anti-police ri s riots. >> when the looting starts, the shooting starts. why those words? >> so, that's an expression i've heard over the years. >> do you know where it comes from? >> i think philadelphia, the mayor of philadelphia. >> no. it comes from 1967. it was from the chief of police in miami. he was cracking down and he meant what he said. that frightened a lot of people. >> it also comes from a very tough mayor who i might have been police commissioner at the time. i think mayor of philadelphia named frank rizzo. he had an extregs like that. i heard it many times. >> that tough mayor once told philadelphians to vote white. the statue of him was removed from plaza facing city hall earlier this month. the mayor called it a monument to bigotry and racism. nearly three weeks after george floyd's killing sparked mass ifr protests against racism and three years into my presidency, trump dug himself in further claiming he's done more for black americans than any of his 44 predecessors. >> i think i've done for more the black community than any other president. let's take a pass on abraham lincoln because he did good although it's questionable. in other words -- >> we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well. >> you understand what i mean. i'm going to take a pass on honest abe. >> all right, mr. president. i'm game. what exactly is questioning about the outcomes of the president who freed black people from slavery by decree, defeated treason and saved the union. i think americans would really like to know. while trump claimed, based on no evidence at all, that he could be america's consoler in chief, he followed that with another george wallace style threat. threatening federal action against protests in seattle walling demonstrators there anarchis anarchists. i'm going to ask each of you to donald trump questioning the outcome of the civil war. >> what part of freed slaves was requestioning. it's truly astonishing to hear the remarks that he made. it's are reminder that words have consequences. there's language that this president and his base used that really is quite dangerous and it's disturbing to hear the interview he gave today in so many ways. >> i'll ask both of you, gentlemen, starting with you david. you're both from southern states. what is it about the confederacy that seems to attract this guy from queens? he has no connection to the confederacy that anyone knows of. his father was seen in a klan rally in 1927. that was in new york. what do you make of it, starting with you david? >> i think with donald trump you can draw threat from his housing discrimination of the '70s to the central park five to birtherism to his conversation around race and it's fair to ask questions about the president's view of race. that ultimately is what is so, not just shocking but disconcerting and sad for the nation. the opportunity right now for leadership is to have a conversation that continues to work the nation towards justice. i know we're focused on the zif civil war and monuments and naming of military bases. that was a fight over the institution of slavery that was established when we wrote on constitution. the work wasn't done. it took another 100 years to get to the zifcivil rights act of 1, the voting rights act and here we are 60 years after that landmark legislation and we know injustice is still embedded in the united states and in many of our institutions. this is the opportunity for leaders to demonstrate who they are. taking down statues is not a erasing history. it's our opportunity to make history. that is true of the activists and the people who make these decisions now. it's also true of people like donald trump. they are making history now as our republicans on the hill by standing in the way of moving justice forward. >> mayor, today is the fourth anniversary of the pulse nightclub shooting. donald trump could said something about that in the interview. they are removing transgender health protection. that's what they are doing with this day. today is the 57 anniversary of metger edgars killed by klamsmen killed any his driveway. it was trending on twitter. he could have checked. the thing he does and chooses to do is quote racist police chiefs from 1967 and to seem to laud and be obsessed over the confederacy? >> those of us live in the south know what dog whistles sound like and they sound like trains coming down the track. donald trump knows what he's doing. he has people that work for him with the strategy back in 1972. the con fed ra si was on the wrong side of history. it was fought to destroy the country and not unify it. you're watching history pass by the president of the united states. a man whose level of ignorance and arrogance is so broad it's jarring for a country who needs a leader that will unify us. he harkens back to it because he, for some reason, decided that's the only way he's going to get elected. he's so wrong because as you see in this difficult time that we're in, in these three crisis that are converging onto us that's being over laid by the issue of institutional racism, america is beginning to see things they should have seen before. beginning to understand things more and they are going to say that the direction of the country wants to go in and it's not the direction that taik taking us in. >> eugene robinson called donald trump today in column he wrote in the washington post, the last president of the confederacy. that's a pretty stark thing for an american president to be called. that comes as donald trump is planning to hold a rally in tulsa. oklahoma is not a swing state. there's no question he will win that state. he's going to go to tulsa on juneteenth which is the hop day celebrating the delated discovery by many enslaved people they were freed by president lincoln. he's then also going to go to david state and hold his final triumphant acceptance of his nomination that was ax handle saturday when another atrocity took place when they attacked people at a whites only lunch counter in the 60 with axes. can it be coincidental he does so much of that? >> no. it's intentional. it's purposeful and it's shameful. it really is amazing to watch some person we gave power to abuse that power to pervert what the military is supposed to be used for. to pervert what the bible is supposed to be used for. to turn upside down the issue of race and turn upside down what this country really is about. unfortunately, he has been called so many times to ask to bring us into unity and not only has he refused, he's actually going in the opposite direction. i have never seen a political figure in the 30 years i've served who has decided to be this divisive and i think what the american people just have to do is take the power back that we gave him and hand it to somebody that will unify the country and bring us together and tell us not what we want to hear but what we need to hear so we can all begin to work together and lael theal the wou that are very deep that will take a lot of work. >> david, it feels like we're discovering what it might have been like if george wallace had won the presidency except in the end george wallace evolved. donald trump doesn't seem to be in the process of evolving. what will it mean for florida for donald trump to come to the stats state of florida and except on the anniversary date of yet another racist massacre? >> we're 50 years after george wallace. that's the part that's so disconcerting. i agree with the mayor. these are not coincidences. this is deliberate. whether it's donald trump or stephen miller whether i say perring in his here, these are deliberate attempts to play into the race card going into november innen aefr an effort i us. it should shadden the nation. we know this is a president. we had said have you seen the nation so divided. i love it that way. donald trump operates in a divided nation. where we have to be very careful, donald trump could break us. he truly could by dividing us on the issue of race where the wounds are so deep, not just coming off of george floyd but after 230 years, the wounds remain deep and the work remains ahead of us. if he divides us on the issue of race, he could take us back 100 years and break who we are as nation. as voters we have a chance to say no, we're not going to let you do that. i do think that's a question on the ballot in november. >> congresswoman, he's not doing it by himself. let me play the lieutenant governor of texas. a guy named dan patrick making a gross comparison. >> when you take out law enforcement, when you let mob control your life, this no different than isis taking over cities in the middle east. these are people with guns threatening people who may or may not agree with them. >> they're not beheading people and throwing them off buildings. >> they're not belelding them or throwing them off buildings but they have taken away their freedom, their liberty. >> go to the islam-o-phobic. it's not just him. it's tom cotton saying will they take down the washington monument. it's tucker carlson sneering they didn't build it. the black and brown people in the streets. they didn't build america. yeah, they did. your thoughts congresswoman. >> it's about senator ted cruz referring to people who organize them themselves to take down the columbus statue in the capital of minnesota and st. paul as the american taliban. this is intentional. their association is intentional and it's very dangerous what they're doing really is no longer dog whistles. they are saying the quiet parts out loud. i agree that this is our opportunity to reject this kind of malace intention by them that's clearly inkrietsing violence against different groups of people here in our country. they are very intent on dividing us and stirring up hate and division in our country. we do have an opportunity in the next few months to decide where we want to go and how we unify our country by making sure these people are no longer in positions of power to influence the kind of policies that we want implemented. it's quite tragic. you and i talk about as myself being an immigrant. many of the history i know of this country, i've learned in the schools even though i started in sixth grade. you would assume majority of these people who are hell bent on idealizing and revisiting really tragic parts of our histo history, are quite aware of it. we can no longer say there is ignorance. we can no longer say the president and his -- are not aware of what hay are doing and saying. these are people who are choosing to go down a road that is really quite dangerous for all of us and dangerous for the kind of country we want to build. now it's our opportunity to reject. i remember the night president trump won. i said i can't have -- i can't imagine how he found a partner in so many hearts of americans to have won his election. now, we should ask those people to dig deep in their heart and ask themselves again, is this the president that they wanted? is this the person they want dictating what kind of country we are to ourselves and to the world and is this the kind of history we want written about our country decades after we have come through and reformed for the better. >> yeah. we're out of time. i'm going to give a final question. is that even possible? is that a conversation that's even, that you can have with people who are supporting this? supporting this attitude toward our history and their own fellow americans? >> it might not be possible with everybody but it's possible with a majority of americans. there's great hope in the protesters and the diversity of the young people that are out in the streets exercising their first amendment right, being great patriots and calling their country into communion around a simple notion. we're all created equal. one of us should not be supreme over the other and yes, we are a nation that values diversity and a nation of immigrants. if you believe in that, then you have to go it sha-- you have to donald trump out but his vision of the world as we have said from the beginning that is laid on top of what george wallace saw. laid on top of what the confederate saw. that's an idea that needs to go into the dust bin of history so america can become the country she's always promised herself that she would be. i'm very hopeful that we can get there. it's going to be hard but it's worth the fight, clearly. >> yeah, won't go quietly into the dust bin. >> it will not. >> i hope you're successful. i hope you're successful. that's a lovely name. it's a wonderful name for an organization. i wish you luck. thank you so much. y'all have a great weekend. coming up, remember when donald trump promised to tough background checks after another gun massacre in the kwliets and did nothing. this time on police reform he's pretending the take action but really doing nothing. miking moore predicted trump would win four years ago. where does he see this election going this year? i'll ask him. stay with us. year? i'll ask him stay with us [ siren ] give me your hand! i 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meet the most current professional standards of force and that means force but force with compassion. >> welcome back. donald trump is only been able to bring lims to encourage police departments to enact changes. he's made it clear he doesn't think there's systemic racism, just a few bad apples. cities and states have begun stepping up to enact change themgss. in louisville, kentucky, the city council voted to ban no knock warrants like the one that caused breonna taylor her life. several governors are working toward or banned police choke holds. for more i'm joined by msnbc correspondent. donald trump seems to not think the people in those protests know why they're there. i'll play a quick sound bite from him. >> what do you think they want? what do you think they need right now, from you? >> i think the protesters for different reasons and you have protesting because they just didn't know. i've watched. i wash tch it very closely. they really weren't able to say. they were there for a reason but a lot of them were there because they are following the crowd. of lot of them were there because what we witnessed was a terrible thing. >> does that make any sense to you at all? >> i hate to laugh about something so serious but hundreds of thousands of people just meander in to hours and hours of protest. it's kind of par for the course when you think about this president. as people are in pain, hurting and have been yelling and sho shouting, crying over the bodies of dead black people killed by the hands of police. still this president, like many other people, see it as bad apple as something systemic. as long as it's bad apples and not the orchard you can defer the responsibility. i heard something once that said if you have lake and two fish died, there's something wrong with the lake and you have 50,000 die, there's something wrong with lake. there's something wrong with the lake. >> yeah, that's seems fairly clear to the new laws being enacted seemed to indicate that. great to meet with you and talk to you. there's been a lot of angst of that being the rallying cry of so many activists. i think there's a lot of confusion over what it means and speaking of confusion, here is donald trump discussing it. >> started about a week ago where i heard they want to close up all police forces. it's not like they want to bring a little money into something else. they want to actually close. i'm thinking what happens late at night when you make that call to 911 and there's nobody there. what do you do? whether you're white, black or anybody else. what do you do? >> christy, does anybody -- is anything out there saying close all the police forces down? that seems like a rhetorical question but feel free to answer however you like. >> no one is saying we should not have a world where no one answers when you call for help. i know the words are scaring people but the ideas are sensible and they are in line with what police officers have been telling me for tech kdecad which is we're asking law enforcement to do too much. we need to shift the responsibilities to people that can better serve needs like mental health and homelessness and drug addiction. i wish we had leadership that instead of leaping on one word, no matter, ill chosen our otherwise, it's one word. the ideas are sensible. we have an opportunity now to work together to achiever those goals. i hope we don't squander that opportunity and devolve to fear mongering which is what some of our leaders want us to do. >> rachel maddow says lots of things that are brilliant. she says when you're talking about politician, don't listen to what they say so much as watch what they do. police budgets are being cut. a lot of responsibilitys are being shoplifted away from them. they are contracts being relooked at because at the end of the day, as i think nicole might have said this earlier today, taxpayers are not going to pay for a police force that endangers them. is this -- are we having the wrong argument when we're talking about the hashtag? >> we're having the wrong argument of wrong discussion. when you think about cities across the country who are cutting their budgets, summer job programs. the one budget that grows is the police. this week on into america, my podcast, we looked at l.a. while they were planning on increasing the budget, they took away $150 million and decided to redirect the funding to communities of color. while it's a big, squa scary tee people say we should be living in a world where people aren't robbing and stealing for food. people have emotional breakdown, they get the resources they need and not man or woman arriving with a gun. part of the discussion around defunding the police is big and scary. we know it's election year and clearly the law and order president who is calling for folks to dominant the streets and send the strotroops in, thir footsing he's put the police and national guard on does a big disservice to the movement that says we should live in a society where children's bellies are full and folks have what they need so they wouldn't have to resort to crime and kail calling men and women with guns to respond. >> absolutely. and where mayors could have the flexibility to spend money on those things instead of on police being able to buy tanks. thank you so much. still ahead, film maker michael moore who predicted the outcome of the last election joins us to talk about where this election is led iheading. stick around. ed iheading. stick around or psoriatic arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. it can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; don't start xeljanz if you have an infection. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra can 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winning the rust belt states that were mentioned. i'm joined by michael moore. planet of the humans and host of rumble with michael moore. you couldn't see me in that shot but i was sitting next to you when you said that. the moment struck me so much. it put it in my book. tony schwartz was the other side of you. go on. >> i'm sorry. i didn't know they were going to run that clip because i remember you were there on the stage. i thought this is going to trigger awful things in joy right now. just breathe and we're going to be okay. >> i'll breathe after you tell me who will win the election in 2020. what's happening is the polling averages, aisle going to look at the polling averages for the states you called, three of them. in 2016 trump won by .2 in michigan. .7 in pennsylvania. polling averages have biden ahead 7.6,.1, still close in pennsylvania. 6.2 wisconsin. do you forsee a different outcome in november? >> earlier today nicole wallace had governor cuomo on. she was just asking about september with her kids. like is there going to be school. he said, my krystal ball is only good for 30 days. i don't know. here is what i think i know. never take trump for granted. if anybody is sitting at home thinking oh, man, we've got this one in the bag. did you hear him today. he said he's done more for black people than abraham lincoln. we're going to win. no. no. i'm telling you. i'm warning you and i'm begging you, please, do not sell this man short. he's pulled off so many things, so many times. if you're a new yorker, you watched it for 40 years and failed to warn the rest of us, by the way. if you don't understand this about him, if we are -- how long did we think just wait. the mueller report. how many times over the last three years, just watit. that's going to do him in. with billy bush on the bus a month or so before the election. it's like that's the end of trump. how about this? put this in your head and don't let it leave your head until november 3rd. this is 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economics, it's about culture running away from them. you said that so beautifully back then. now, what you have is donald trump really boosting those same people to the maximum. he's facing a regular guy. he's facing a literal regular joe. joe biden is the regular joe that a lot of those guys are. does that break the circuit for what he's able to do. >> maybe. i don't know. you said it exactly. that's exactly correct. it's white men, a lot of white men, two-thirds of white men voted for trump feel that they're grip on power is quic y ly fading. it's being taken from them. they've been watching what's going on the last couple of weeks. they are just as angry at that cop in minneapolis because he's really -- he's really messed it up for the white male holding onto that power. i think white men and their fear of this fp notice how trump's base really never changes. that percentage that's going to vote for him. it's 40, 41. on a good day it's 43 or 44. it always stays within the margin of 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because of their presence, they become infected with the covid-19 covid-19 virus. so on the one hand, he's claiming it's going to go away, that we're progressing, that we don't need to worry. but on the other hand, he is asking people to relieve him of any liability. this is outrageous that this president, you know, speaking this way and asks this way. and i'm particularly concerned about these nursing homes. 40% of all of the deaths from covid-19 are nursing home victims. and, so, this administration have failed to get the supplies to these nursing homes that they need. and even when some of the supplies have come, they have been defected. and they're still waiting, waiting for masks, waiting for gowns, waiting for protective equipment. and so not only are the patients dying, the staffs are dying. right here in california, they had to send out the national guard to five of our nursing homes where the national guards and their special medical teams have to take care of the patients right here in south los angeles. 23 staff members were infected. 36 patients and 8 people died. and it was one of the five nursing homes that the medical staff visited from the national guard in order to help them because they had no more staff left. and it is a real scandal and it's a shame what's happening in our nursing homes. and fema, you know, basically it's been run, this aspect of it being run by jerry kushner, who the president sent over there, promises to send out equipment that never comes, sends out, again, defective equipment. and i just don't know what's going to happen except the number of deaths in these nursing homes will continue to spiral and continue to increase. and, so, we're trying to do something about it. it was our select committee that held this briefing on this crisis. >> yeah. >> and we have a bill that's being placed into operation that we have all signed on. but i want to tell you, the numbers are increasing. >> yeah. and it's rather pointed that one of the rallies he's choosing to do is in tulsa, oklahoma, a state that is not in contention, he doesn't need to sway votes there. he's going to win that state and he's doing it on juneteenth. it is a pointed decision. what do you make of it? >> well, you know, he's such a dishonorable man. when he has an opportunity to basically undermine or harm or pay somebody back, he does it, and he's not ashamed of that. and this has been his m.o. ever since he's been elected. so it is a day that we celebrate because that's the time that we actually got the message, the information that the slaves had been freed. and, so, it's a jab at us. it is like the president who has talked about our districts, called them rat holes, talked about the shit holes in terms of, you know, black countries, et cetera. this is another way to poke fun at us and to dishonor what we care about. >> indeed. and he doesn't seem to want to stop. congresswoman maxine waters, have a wonderful weekend. thank you for your time 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executive action on law enforcement, he continues to make threats about using the military against protesters. he quashed a conversation about renaming u.s. military bases named after confederate journals. and now we're learning what many suspected, that this is a strategy. it's on purpose. sorlss say president trump is convinced the racial war are still a winner for him in 2020. multiple other advisors have urged the president to unify the nation, with warnings he risks erasing support he got from a small fraction of voters. but say the president does not want to appear conciliatory or weak. we're joined by our cnn law enforcement analyst, and former philadelphia police commissioner, charles ramsey. gloria, to you first. this is what we're learning. it's on purposes. not just a strategy, although it may be an impulse. >> i think it's both. i think this is a president who sees any call for unity as weak. he keeps using the word "dominate." he sees his strength, he believes, is in calling for the use of force. against citizen whose are protesting. and i think that, at this point, he's stuck in a time warp. this is a president talking about frank rizzo. he's talking about the 1960s. he's kind of stuck in the nixonian call for law and order. without understanding that, in fact, the country has changed flaum 1960s. look at that protests and how they've changed from the 1960s and how diverse these protests are. but the president is uncomfortable, or perhaps unable, i believe, to call for a kind of unity. when you see those protests out there, because he believes that would somehow present weakness on his part, rather than strength, as a leader. >> charles, what do you think about this strategy of his? >> well, first of all, looting, as bad as it looks, is a property crime. and deadly force is not authorized against people committing a property crime. is certainly unacceptable. it sends a terrible message. everything can't be dealt with force. it shouldent be. take you back to the clearing of lafayette square in lafayette park. i served nine years as police chief in washington d.c. we never had to go to that extreme. not that we handled everything perfectly. but what i saw occur is a result of the federal police, along with national guard, clearing that park was totally unacceptable and unjustified, in my opinion. those kind of things make simp situations worse, not better. and i thik the president is off base when he thinks that way. maybe it's because he's never been out there to deal with these kinds of things. but through experience i can tell you force will be met with force. and then you wind up with a riot. >> the president also weighed in on the use of police chokeholds, which were banned in new york today. and similar action in several other cities around the country. this is what he said. >> i don't like chokeholds. i will say this. as somebody that, you grow up and you wrestle and you fight, or you see what happens, sometimes, if you're alone and you're fighting somebody, it's tough. and you get somebody in a chokehold, you're going to say oh, and it's a real bad person. and we have some real bad people. you saw that in the last couple of weeks. you saw very good people protesting. you saw bad people also. andio get somebody in a chokehold. what are you going to do? i got to let go. now, if you have two people -- or in the case we're talking about, four people, and two of them, i guess, pretty much started. a very tricky situation. so, the chokehold is good to talk about because, off the cuff t would sond like absolutely. but if you're thinking about it, you realize maybe there is a bad fight. and the officer gets somebody in a position -- >> so, you say it's a sliding scale, depending on what the circumstances are? do you want be in that conversation? >> i really am. and i think the concept of chokehold sountsds so innocent and pervict. then you realize if it's one on one. now, if it's two on one, depending on the toughness and strength. there's a physical thing here also. but if a police officer is in a bad scuffle. >> if it's a one on one fight for the life. >> so, you have to be careful. with that being said, it would be, i think a very good thing, that generally speaking t should be ended. >> charles, from a law enforcement perspective, what do you make of the president's comments about chokeholds? >> he was all over the place, so i don't think i got quite what he was trying to say. let me just say this. i think chokeholds should be banned. having said that, you would never know if there are circumstances that would cause a person to have to resort to that to save their own life. but it should be treated the same as you would any use of deadly force, because that is deadly force. that's exactly what it is and should be considered a use of deadly force. it would have to be an incredibly extreme circumstance. i would ban it and i think that's appropriate to ban it. so, what happened in minneapolis, there was no need for anything like that. i mean the person was in custody. and so, that's not anything to be used as a comparison. i think you're on the right track with banning chokeholds. and again, if there were circumstances, extremely rare circumstances, where a fight for your life, then it would be considered same as you would use of deadly force a firearm or something of that nature. it would be no different, in my mind. >> the president doesn't seem to want to take a position, really. >> it sort of reminds me, remember when he said there were fine people on both sides, this is a president and nobody has forgotten that. this is a president who understands the political pressure on him to do something on police reform, not only from democrats, but in his own party. senator scott is taking the lead on that. so, he's get nothingternal pressure in the white house from those who say stiek law and order. you're right in talking about that. and those in the white house to say you have to do some kind of reform. so, as miss ramsey was saying he is all over the place on this because he knows he has to come down somewhere else. but his real comfort level is saying, you know, use of force, law and order. maybe chokeholds aren't that bad. >> gloria, thank you. great perspectives, you two and we'll see you soon. alumni of westpoint are calling out their own who are working for president trump. they're accusing them of defying their most basic and important vows. a group of diverse graduates calling themselves the long grey line, which is a reference to westpoint said this quote. we are concern that fellow graduates serving in senior-level, public positions are failing to uphold their oath of office and their commitment and we ask you to join us in righting the wrongs and hold us to the ideals instilled by our alma mater and confirmed by each of us. mike pompeo is a west point grad who brought in two others from his class of 1986. mark esper, also attended west point. david urban, a senior advisor to the trump campaign also graduated as well from the u.s. military academy. joining me now is one of the west point grads who wrote the letter. todd freedman graduated in 1987. and tell us about the decision to right this and how you and your fellow grads came to it. >> thanks for having me on. i was actually informed that the letter was being written. and it was done out of concern and love of country. it seems that there's been, for lack of a better term, behaviors that really don't support what we believe, not only while we're at the academy, but while we're in the amilitary. and we want to make sure that the current graduates -- and it was more out of concern that we're held to a higher standard. and to make sure that we are honest and truthful at all times. >> what would you like to see these grads do? and i think of mike pompeo or secretary esper. what would you like to see them do? >> i think they've been put in very difficult situations. and unfortunately, sometimes in those difficult situations, they have to make the harder right decision than maybe the easier wrong. back at the academy, the honor code says a cudet will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do. and that's ingrained in you. and unfortunately some of these leaders have been put in positions where they have to sacrifice probably being honest and truthful with what we used to say was kwibling or being in a grey area and not being completely honest and candid. i think really all we're looking for is for these senior leaders and the folks in the administration to be honest and trustworthy. i think some of that has come to concern. >> i wonder do you worry, as you look at the state of the military and it is becoming politicized. the president has taken actions that have politicized it, using the military for socially-divisive causes, using them in the protests. he seems to have lost a lot -- or maybe never had support but has got a lot of criticism from retired top brass, even some who served in his own administration. and he's simultaneously making a play for the rank and file that tends to come from the south, as he's talking about we're not renaming these bases. do you worry about that fracture and what it could mean? >> i think it goes down to the fundamental question of unification and respect and dignity. because if we look at westpoint or look at the military in general, you've gaurt a very diverse population. and in some cases, it's a cross section of america. so, you've got ethnicities, different religions. and there is going to be and needs to be that level of tolerance if you're go took be a leader of a lot of different types of soldiers. and america's not much different. we're a very diverse population. and i think what everybody's looking for is to make sure that everybody has equal rights, in that there's that level of respect out there. and the military should not be politicized. i think recently what the biggest problem has become is the military has been pulled into some of these efforts that i think probably they should not be involved in. so, the military should remain nonpolitical, and that's really probably where most of the concern comes from. >> todd, frank you. todd freedman, who co wrote this letter from west point grads. >> thanks for your time. >> every week i work to bring you stories aimed at bridging the military divide. send your ideas or questions to me. homefront at cnn.com. for the first time we're hearing directly from the colleagues at the center of george floyd's death. plus the cdc issuing new warnings about big events, travel, and more surges in america. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus discover all the ways we're helping members okay, give it a try. between wisdom and curiosity, there's a bridge. between ideas and inspiration, trauma and treatment. gained a couple of more pounds. that's good for the babies. between the moments that make us who we are, and keeping them safe, private and secure, there's webex. ♪ ♪ beautiful. we hwe help you make it.oods: you, the independent restaurants of america... we've always got your back, but through all of this... you made it happen. you made our friday nights. you even made us dessert. ♪ so, to help you get back to full strength, we're giving away free re-opening kits at our website so you can safely re-open your doors. for all you do, from all of us, let us help you make it. ♪ "ok, so, magnificent mile for me!" i thought i was managing... ...my moderate to severe crohn's disease. yes! until i realized something was missing... ...me. you ok, sis? 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>> i think that's awesome. that show whose they are as human beings. and the silence tends to lend that the actions were okay. and i can say i join the nation in condemning the actions that led to the death of george floyd. that shows the character of those officers. thats means they don't condone it and they want their city to know that and the residents they work with and for. that's an awesome step forward for them to come forward and be as a team and unified, to express their feelings. >> officer adams, you've said that, as an african-american officer, you identify with both the protesters and the police. we've seen this play out with many police officers, right? on tv, we've seen videos of this, that they're in the same position. how do you work to reconcile them? >> i continue to do what i do in the community. seeing the video, brought a host of emotions to me. i was horrified, as the mother of a black male and furious of the betrayal and outraged about the citizens. and be my knight and shining armor and not my worst nightmare. the goal is to work with their communities and show who they are as human being, not just behind the badge. and understand there's no such thing as police and community. because the world needs to know police officers aren't there. and as officers we spend more time in the citizens. so, that's what we need to get the message we need to get across and this is a tough time for me in policing. i said no it's not because the relationships i built and continue to build, they have a good foundation. and individuals know who i am and what i represent. so, the actions of one officer does not pred kate the actions of all. we have to continue to do the work and be honest and open and show where we stand. and we can't stand in silence. >> i want to ask you a question that a lot of people have been confronting lately. do you think that there is systemic racism in policing? and if so, how does society, american society address this? >> yes, our profession has a history of racism. unfortunately, policing has operated with the us verses them mindset for hundreds of years, which has not created the opportunity for the needed change to occur across the board nationally. as you should be familiar with initiatives, such as the president's task force in the 21st century, was it enacted because of what happened in ferguson to provide guidance nationally to change the mindset of officers and community from warrior to guardian. and this was an attempt of community policing across the country. you see policing is at the heart of the criminal justice system. now is a time for criminal justice reform to occur through actions, not by written legislature, but through actions. and that's going to have to happen for us to change the dynamics. you look at the demographics of police officers and then the demographics of those incarcerated. so, not just in the policing profession, but in others. so, we're working with antiquated systems and we need do an overall reform and create new systems. and i often tell people that we're still trying to drive the first car ford ever built and replace the parts, which we know there are no parts from the first car that was built. so, we need stop looking at doing things just the same way over and over again. and as we can see, it's not working. >> reinvent the wheel. officer carol adams with the richmond, virginia police department, thanks for joining us. we really enjoyed the conversation. >> thank you. cnn is going to be hosting a town hall this weekend. and this is with four of the nation's top mayors to talk about how they're dealing with protests and the pandemic. you can join laura coats with d.c.'s mayor and chicago's lori lightfoot and london brooed at 9:00 eastern. the cdc warning moments ago, the pandemic is not over. and issuing a prediction of the number of deaths we'll see in the u.s. from the coronavirus. plus the trump administration back tracks and refuses to reveal who received taxpayer relief funds for the coronavirus. why this is getting serious heat from critics. i've tried the $200 creams, the $400 creams olay regenerist microsculpting cream makes my skin feel so hydrated. i can face anything with my olay. and my latest beauty secret... for bright, smooth skin... olay regenerist cream cleanser. and get way more.ith wso you can bring yours vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today. feel the coolpowerful 24-hour, claritin cool mnon-drowsy,es. allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation for your throat. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. leading armies to battle?, was that your great-aunt, keeping armies alive? 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"and martin, what a disturbing video and what officials are saying now. >> let me set the scene for you. i will warn you. it is disturbing video. this is the time to turn away. may 20th, 2019, oklahoma city. and they're confronting 22-year-old derrick scott in the middle of the day after they received 911 calls reporting a man pointing a gun at people. initially scott appears to comply, but then he turns and runs. here is the body cam video. >> get on the ground. >> okay. >> put your hands behind your back. >> get your hands out of your pocket. >> give me. no. i'm going to tase you. >> i got this. >> okay. okay. >> you saw them, they tackle him and struggle to detain him. one of the officers appearing to pull his arm behind him and in the struggle, scott says "i can't breathe." one of the officers says "i don't care." several more times scott repeats "i can't breathe." and then the female officer notices he's not struggling or breathing and says he's acting unconscious. an officer finds a gun in his pocket and removes it from his pocket. and they continue to check on a now silent scott. they move him to recovery position. paramedics arrive and scott appears to struggle with police again, they get him on a gurney too, the hospital and he dies about an hour later. the medical examiner determined there was no fatal trauma, as he put it, as the cause of death, but did outline contributing factors, such as he has asthma, and there were signs of methamphetamine in the toxicology report. there was an investigation done by the oklahoma district attorney. he put out a statement which reads in part, according the d.a., there was nothing inappropriate on the part of the officers, nor misconduct on the part of the officers. therefore, he cleared all officers of any criminal wrong doing. the family was not notified for four days. the reason the video is coming on now is because of the protests through black lives matter. and now we hear the infamous plea, i can't breathe. >> martin savidge, thank you. just ahead, a woman asked mariam webster to change its definition of racism. and the dictionary responded. she will join us live. and ♪ (vo) love. it's what we've always said makes subaru, subaru. and right now, love is more important than ever. in response to covid-19, subaru and our retailers are donating fifty million meals to feeding america, to help feed those who now need our help. its all part of our commitment to our communities through subaru loves to help. love, it's what makes subaru, subaru. i'm going to start the bidding at $5. thank you, sir. looking for $6. $6 over there! do i hear 7? 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for an 18th straight day, protestors taking to streets in cities all across this country. they are demanding justice for george floyd, whose death, at the hands of police officers, has sparked the demonstrations. but president trump, claiming in an interview, that protestors don't know why they're out on the streets. anyone who has seen the video of the former officer with his knee on george floyd's neck knows why they are protesting. and this president, also, weighing in on the use of chokeholds. saying, he generally supports banning them but that, in some cases, they may be necessary. more on that in just a moment. and hopeful words from dr. anthony fauci tonight telling cnn that he is optimistic the u.s. will have a coronavirus vaccine by the end of the year. at least 19 states are now seeing an increase in the number of cases. and the grim prediction, tonight, from the cdc. possibly 130,000 deaths from the virus, in the u.s., by july 4th. let's discuss. a lot to discuss, as a matter of fact. john harwood is here and cnn senior legal analyst, laura coates, here as well. there we go. that's my a team again. so glad to have you. good to see you, again, today, john. so listen. president trump was out of sight in -- at his new jersey golf club today, after another week of missteps. the country is changing right under this president's feet. and cnn is learning a number of his advisers, john, telling him to adapt. is he so out of step that he is being left behind here? >> yes. and even though he was out of sight today, we got an extended glimpse of him, through that fox interview that was fully released today with harris faulkner. and what we saw in that was a 73-year-old man, turn 74 this weekend, who is stuck in the past. replaying a tape in his head. reacting to cues in his head from a very long time ago. he is not capable, right now, of engaging with the scale of change that has convulsed the country. and there were a couple of tells in this interview. you mentioned one of them a moment ago, when harris faulkner said, separate out the looters from the protestors. think about the protestors and their cause. and he gave this meandering answer saying they don't even know what they're protesting about. obviously, that's wrong. they do. then, there was a moment, even more personal, when harris faulkner said, look, you know me as harris on tv, but i am a black woman. i'm a mom. talk about the concern that people have when they hear things like, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. and he actually went into this disposition about frank rizzo and how tough frank rizzo was as the mayor of philadelphia. completely out of step with the moment. then, you had another moment where harris asked him about the military breaking with him over the use of force in an incendiary way in -- on -- against americans. and he said, well, maybe they feel like that. but i rebuilt the military. he is not engaging with the relate of the moment. he is repeating things that some members of his base approve of. they love him for the fact that those are his instincts. he may not love them but he loves the fact that they love him. and so, he is going to keep repeating those things but not what is responsive to the country right now. >> listen, laura. i'm sure that, that part of the interview, where harris faulkner said, you know, you know me as this person on television but i'm a black woman. and i'm a mother. and i'm sure that resonated with you and with -- with a lot of women, african-american women, but just women, all across this country, who can imagine themselves. and who are trying to find ways now, laura, to the language to talk to their children about this. and this president seems completely tone deaf about it. he is actually, i believe, losing viewers -- or losing voters. >> you know, you're absolutely right. it's particularly poignant and resonates, particularly if you just heard your interview with ms. vickey scott about what it's like to see your own child in this position. let alone, what the experience of -- i know his mother was deceased but to hear mr. george floyd call out for his mother. and to think about all the variety of people who have lost their lives at the hands of tragedy like this, who was on their mind at the time? who were they calling out for the protection of? and of course, you think about this. and there was interview with benjamin crump earlier today, where the discussion with wolf blitzer i believe was, well, look. normally, people are looking for protection, whereas certain communities, particular african-american, get policed. not protected but policed. and so, the head of the executive branch of government, whose job it is to oversee the justice department, the fbi, amongst other entities. has missed the opportunity. some would say, politically. but i would say a dereliction of duty to address this full scope. the scope of the authority that he has. the idea of being able to look at his u.s. attorneys, the civil rights division, color of law claims, public trust and mistrust and integrity issues. all this falls, really, underneath his umbrella. and so, when he distracts and looks away at other things, it really feels as though he is, not only dismissive of the people who are asking for assistance and equality but, also, your role, as the head of this branch of government. it's a dereliction of duty, politically and perhaps morally. and certainly, one, that has john has talked about, misses the mark and many opportunities. >> well, let's talk about an opportunity here, laura. again, to you. the president, giving word salad when he was asked about chokeholds. watch this. >> i think the concept of chokeholds sounds so innocent, so perfect. and then, you realize, if it's a one on one. now, if it's two on one, that's a little bit of a different story, depending. depending on the toughness and strangtd. you know, we're talking about toughness and strength. we are talking there's a physical thing here also. with that being said, it would be, i think, a very good thing that, generally speaking, it should be ended. >> is -- is that doublespeak, laura? what is that? >> it is. first of all, the idea of it being so benign exists in the world perhaps of professional wrestling. but reality, he should know supreme court cases, that police departments, that the rule of thumb is that you can only use the level of force to actually repel the same level of force. lethal force can be used, if you are faced with lethal force. but the idea of having a chokehold in your box of tools and in your arsenal, so to speak, to be used simply because you think there is a problem with the person. or their -- their verbal statements to you or perhaps as he called it bad people, really misses the mark on what use of force standards should be in this country and beyond this country as well. so he's kind of waffling and equivocating on this issue. maybe it's good. maybe it's bad. he has to fall in line with many police departments who are saying we don't want them used. and if they are ever to be used, it could only be under the requisite level of use-of-force provisions. and if it's not, it is criminal. >> yeah. >> and, don. >> the president -- >> look. i think one of the things -- >> john, let me play this sound byte. let me play this sound byte. >> yeah. okay. >> black communities and any other president and let's take a pass on abraham lincoln because he did good. although it's always questionable. you know, in other words, the end result -- >> well, we are free, mr. president. he did pretty well. >> you understand what i mean. so i'm going to take a pass on abe. honest abe, as we call him. >> john, you said it was preposterous before i ran the sound byte. but questionable? come on. >> yeah. look. those are ludicrous statements. he's made them before. again, it -- it shows him out of touch with reality in the thrall of this idea that he is a great man, and has done great things. but i want to go back to what you were talking about with laura. and when you played that byte when he was talking about it's about toughness and strength. remember, this is somebody who has consistently identified with strongmen. he identified with the way the chinese crushed the rebellion in square. he identified with the strength of vladimir putin's leadership in russia the other day at that roundtable in dallas, he was marveling that guard troops went like a knife through butter, through protestors, and pushed them back. obviously, through bill barr, federal officers outside the white house with tear gas and with rubber bullets. this is someone who is enamored with the idea of people in power, having the ability and exerting their will to keep control. he is now in a situation, right now, when the country appears to be spinning out of control. and i think the appeal of those mechanisms for maintaining control are evermore relevant to him. and so, even as he was saying, well, maybe chokeholds should go away, in an ideal world or something. he was still plainly identifying with them as a means of restraining people who are resisting. >> yeah. all while this is happening. we've been watching, you know, for days now. protestors and what happened to george floyd. laura, i just want to -- i have to ask you about comparing himself to lincoln and saying, you know, he's done more than anyone for the african-american community. perhaps, of any other president since lincoln. and then, saying his reputation is questionable -- his legacy. really? >> to who? i'm not sure who he's referencing. who's questioning abraham lincoln's legacy or anybody who's actually perhaps read, i don't know, the emancipation proclamation or his role in the civil war. it's hard to actually try to understand the president's thought of comparison point because just a few years ago, don't we all recall him believing that he was just like abraham lincoln? that he was laud lauding and saying he was as good as somebody. i think maybe what's getting confused upon here, don, is the fact that the joke is that every great statement, every great phrase or quote is always attributed to abraham lincoln because all of the breadth of his knowledge and his literature. and he was quite prolific in his speechwriting. and so, perhaps, he conflated two issues about this joke of has everything good ever said been attributed to lincoln? and his confusion about, oh wait, maybe i've actually done more for the african-american community, than the president, who by all accounts was responsible for the emancipation proclamation. by the way, many others since abraham lincoln, who could claim certain benefits and treatment toward african-americans, as well. i'm going to go out on a limb and say there is an immediate predecessor of trump who may have a bone to pick with ann illinois presidential comparison. >> thank you, laura. thank you, john. and, by the way, laura's going to be working hard. she's working this weekend. so make sure you tune in. laura coates hosts a cnn town hall on race and coronavirus. she's going to speak with four of the nation's top mayors. mayors who matter. it's going to be live, sunday night, at 9:00. again, thanks to laura and john. meantime, george floyd was killed in minneapolis more than two weeks ago. and his death has sparked a nation -- a national outpouring of anger and calls for major changes. not only in policing but in american society, as a whole. and how black-americans are treated. you can feel it with each passing day. monumental change is underway in america. here's tom foreman. >> reporter: the relentless wave of protests is finally hitting home. >> if we want change, our generation has to step up right now and demand that change. >> state and city leaders are suddenly moving fast on new rules to fight systemic racism, following the horrific death of george floyd at police hands. >> we still have black oppression in our society today. just, in a different form. >> virginia, new york, massachusetts, minnesota, and california, are among many places enacting or discussing changes to police procedures, funding, and other measures. and there are desperate demandings for federal changes, too. >> please, listen to the call i'm making to you now. to the calls of our family and the calls ringing out the streets across the world. >> at the start of the year, with president trump's re-election train running hot. >> the people can hear the crowd. they know. >> and less than two weeks ago, when peaceful protectors were forcefully driven back for a presidential photo op. serious reform seemed hopelessly out of reach. >> i am your president of law and order. >> but trump's mishandling of the unrest and the coronavirus outbreak has seen his never-strong approval rating plummet. and presumed democratic challenger joe biden adding another layer to his pledge to pick a female running mate. >> i promise you, there are multiple african-american candidates being considered. >> the corporate world is also responding with nike, twitter, professional football, and other companies, recognizing juneteenth as a company holiday. celebrating the end of slavery. all, while sales are exploding for books about the black experience. tv shows are under intense pressure to revamp how they portray police and their tactics. with the highly-rated "cops" and "live pd" cancelled. >> what would it take? >> for one of us to be murdered by police brutality? >> reporter: after nfl players posted a video and some police started imitating the kneeling protest of former quarterback colin kaepernick, the lead commissioner responded. >> we, the national football league, admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players earlier. >> nascar banned the confederate flag from its events, as the military considers renaming some bases named for confederate leaders, despite the commander in chief's vow to oppose such a move. and, more confederate statues are falling. some white people say taking down these symbols is an attack on their history. some black people say leaving them up is something worse. >> it's my great, great grandmother, julia branch. born a slave. >> former secretary of homeland security, jay johnson. >> the confederate flag, to me, represents the viewpoint that she should have remained a slave for the rest of her life. >> hbo max, owned by the parent company of cnn, is even pulling the classic film "gone with the wind" from its streaming service, for racist depictions, until it can return with historic context. it is a measure of how fraught the debate remains, that the movie immediately shot up on amazon's best-seller list. >> oh, now, ms. scarlet, you come on and be good and eat just a little. >> still, it's all been enough to spur former president barack obama to speak out about it. >> the kinds of epic changes and events in our country that are as profound as anything that i've seen in my lifetime. >> i talked to protestors who, one after another, have said they just want to be treated the same as other communities. they want to get a fair shot at the justice that they know they believe, no matter what their color may be. here is the problem, don. i had those conversations, covering the l.a. riots, almost 30 years ago. and i'll guarantee you, many of those communities, many of those people, are still waiting to see if this time, it will stick. and if, this time, it'll be different. don. >> we certainly hope it does. tom foreman, great reporting. thank you so much. appreciate that. so is this a turning point in this country? and will it lead to lasting change? are you sick and tired of lookingand feeling heavy? probioslim promotes healthy digestion and helps you lose weight. patented probiotics ease constipation, gas, and bloating, while powerful egcg burns fat and calories. unleash your potential with probioslim, the #1 probiotic fat burner at walmart. 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but we can't know, for sure, until at least after the november elections. because let's see it clearly. president trump, he hasn't been sending dog whistles, he's been using a foghorn. to say that he's dedicated his political strategy, at least for the moment and probably through november, that racial fears will prevail. and, therefore, he's taken the attitude i'm going to do what richard nixon did in 1968, what ronald reagan did in 1980, george hw bush did in 1988, and what i did in 1960, and that is play the race card. he's betting that will still prevail. now, the indicators are that he's outdated himself. his attitude generally is don't bother me with the facts or reality. i have my mind made up. he's frequently in error, but he's never in doubt about what he -- what he thinks is happened. he thinks the old way of winning will prevail, just again. if he's right about that, then what we're seeing in the streets may not offer as much. if he is defeated in november, then that will change the history of race relations on the country, in my opinion. we can -- history changes in our country when at least one of the following four things happen. we're at war. we a we have dramatic downturn in the economy. we have a pandemic. or we have mass demonstrations in the streets. we have all four. so that would indicate that we may very well be on the cusp of a very big change. >> doug, the president has so mishandled and misjudged everything that has happened. you know, the crackdown that happened in lafayette park was a fiasco. he is calling protestors terrorists, who want to burn and pillage our cities. how is history going to judge this president during a moment of crisis? >> if abraham lincoln's ranked as our top president, you're looking at donald trump being at the very bottom of the heat. that may seem like a premature judgment. we are in the middle of election year. but this idea that trump has dividing our country, of using racial slurs, of being a leader of birtherism. i mean, he's more rockwell than abraham lincoln in his behavior. and the way he's misled the country during the covid-19 crisis when it started. we missed -- lost a month or two of action. it's been muddled leadership. you know, now, we're already second waving and it's the middle of the summer. this has been a disastrous 2020 for donald trump. i see he's sinking in the polls all the time. but i'm still amazed that, you know, 35% of the american public thinks he's doing a good job right now because our economy's in tatters. and there's really not -- and you asked a simple question. are you better off than you were four years ago? and the answer in america is no. so thank goodness these protestors are starting to stand up and challenge trumpism, which has a aura around it of white supremacy. >> you can ask now. you better than you were four months ago? and get probably very similar answer. omar, listen. i want to bring in, because i ever read your piece in t"the washington post". fascinating piece. it's called the protests started looking like 1968, they've turned into 1964. i think you started out wanting to write about '68, right? and then, i think you were pushed to 1964, if i'm correct here. why is it significant to the protests that we're seeing now? >> right. so the contrast is really that, you know, in both '64 and '68, we had, you know, sort of two parties. one, campaigning on law and order. and one campaigning, heavily, on civil rights. and in '68, law and order won. and it won in the wake of a wave of protests for black equality, that often escalated to protestor-initiated violence. and that helped, in the research i've done, tipped the scale in favor of the law-and-order coalition. but, in 1964, law and order lost. and the reason i wrote that piece was i think what we've seen, in the last ten days, is a wave, a global wave, of massive, overwhelmingly peaceful protests. often, met, as in the early part of the '60s, with remarkable levels of police violence. and now, because everybody has a video camera in their pocket, much of that has been documented. and so, the combination of peaceful protest and violent repression, by the state, really paints a portrait that, to america, the way the media represents that and the way that affects public opinion and voting tends to elevate a concern for rights, not a concern for law and order. >> uh-huh. i just want to read a piece of your piece here. you said when police crack down with dogs and clubs, those actions ultimately serve the protestors -- the protestors' aims by visually dramatizing injustice. we have seen so many videos of police violence against protestors in the past week, omar. are they -- are they helping the protestors' cause? >> so, here's the -- the -- the very bitter truth that sort of the geniuses of the early civil rights movement figured out. was that the media loves conflict. and so, a nonviolent protest wasn't quite enough to get national attention, a lot of the time. so if they could make themselves the targets of violence, that would draw media and get a sympathetic portrait in the -- kind of the national press. it's an exceedingly hard strategy to sustain, to put yourself in harm's way, as john lewis did, you know, on bloody sunday, marching in selma. but it's a very effective tactic. and what we're seeing now is something that looks very much like an echo of that. peaceful protestors, met with a remarkable amount of state violence, tear gas, rubber bullets, and, you know, the example in lafayette square being, really, the kind of emblematic case. where people are totally peaceful, and there's just this remarkable amount of repression. and those images, for the person who is watching from afar, really tell a story about what is he t is' the issue here? is the issue crime? or is the issue, you know, a kind of classic redress of grievances in a grand american tradition? and depending on what happens on the ground, either of those stores might carry the day. what we're seeing now is that the stories really are emphasizes peaceful protests and -- and -- and violent state repression. and that -- that's hard to sustain but, fundamentally, good for the larger cause. >> yeah. listen. dan, i've got to get this in and i want you to respond because, during this segment, the president just tweeted this. he said, we had previously scheduled our maga rally in tulsa, oklahoma, for june 19th. a big deal. unfortunately, however, this would fall on the juneteenth holiday. many of my african-american friends and supporters have reached out to suggest that we consider changing the date out of respect for this holiday. and, in observance of this important occasion and all that it represents, i have, therefore, decided to move our rally on saturday, june 20th, in order to honor their requests. we have already had ticket requests in excess -- of course, again -- of more than 200,000 people. i look forward to seeing everyone in oklahoma. dan, what do you think? >> well, he's yielded some to the pressure. the pressure against what he is trying to do. the outrage from the base. but he hasn't much. and it indicates he is doubling down on his re-election strategy of keep the country divided, along racial linings. and try to adhere to steve bannon's old advice. remember, steve bannon, in 2016, told candidate trump, as long as you can keep them, which is to say -- about race, we win. this announcement, which was a minor adjustment by him, says he's doubling down on that bet. >> yeah. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. made some news during this segment. i hope to see you all soon. be safe. the president, suggesting that ending bigotry and prejudice will be easy. it'll happen quickly. that's what he says. and i've got something to say about that, next. can my side be firm? and mine super soft? with the sleep number 360 smart bed, on sale now, you can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. but can it help 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easily. solving racism. a problem that has plagued this country since its inception. that's easy. >> we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice, wherever they appear. but we'll make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racist or bigots. we have to get everybody together. we have to be in the same -- same path, i think, pastor. if we don't do that, we -- we have problems. and we'll do that. i think we're going to do that very easily. it'll go quickly and it'll go -- it'll go very easily. >> the president said that last night. and to know how to quickly solve an issue, well, it is necessary to understand what the problem is. yet, the president could not articulate to fox news, why protestors have been out in the streets. >> you had protesting, also, because, you know, they just didn't know. i've watched. i watch it very closely. why are you here? why they really weren't able to say. >> and then, there's a coronavirus pandemic. >> it's going to disappear one day. it's like a miracle. it will disappear. >> except, months into the pandemic, president trump said everything figured out very quickly, that the virus is highly contagious. >> one thing act this disease that everybody's learned, very easily and very quickly, is so is it's so contagious. it is the most contagious thing people have seen. say everyone figured out. the president is playing catchup okay? and even now, he doesn't seem to grasp how contagious the virus is. the president, well, he sees it differently. e. >> you know, the system of testing now is so quick and so easy. >> now, president trump has moved on. he is focused on reopening the economy. that, too, will be taken care of. >> you know, we had the greatest in the world. i presided, this administration presided over it. it got great for a reason, and we'll do it again very quickly and very easily. >> the president's quick-and-easy solutions, also, include international relations. >> the united states is committed to the complete and permanent denuclearization of north korea. so important. china can fix this problem easily and quickly. and getting back to iran, i do have to say that, i think the iranian situation could be fixed, very quickly and very easily. >> listen to the president suggested for a quick and easy fix for the years-long situation in afghanistan. >> we've been in the war in afghanistan now for 19 years. we've substantially reduced the force, as you know. we're really acting more as a law enforcement agency than we are as a military because we could win that, very quickly and easily, if i was willing to kill millions of people. >> so, when you hear the president say that something can be solved quickly and easily, think about that. and, remember, when it comes to these quick and easy solutions, the president only sees one man for the job. >> i, alone, can fix it. >> well, the coronavirus is not over, yet. 19 states are seeing rising cases. what 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virus, in the u.s., by july 4th. more, tonight, from cnn's erica hill. >> reporter: reopening, now on pause in oregon and utah, as new cases mount. >> as long as we give the virus an opportunity to jump, from one host to another, that's what it's going to do. >> the governor of texas, looking to july 4th for a full reopening of his state, as harris county, which includes houston, records some of its highest numbers to date for new cases and hospitalizations. >> we've got to take action, now, so that we avoid a shutdown in the future. >> houston's energy stadium being prepped as a field hospital, just in case. 19 states are trending up, in the past week. texas, florida, and south carolina, posting single-day records, as the cdc predicts 130,000 virus-related deaths, by july 4th. >> we're in the early days of the pandemic. and if only 5 or 10% of the population has had this infection, we have a really long way to go. >> the agency recommending the best way to stay safe, keep your distance, avoid travel, and wear a mask. >> i know it's become politicized. put that aside. the virus knows no politics. >> face coverings, required in l.a. county, which moved into phase three today, after recording its highest single day increase this week. gyms, camps, tv and film production, among businesses reopening. missouri will fully reopen next week. concerts and conventions can resume in georgia, july 1st. meantime, anyone attending the president's campaign rally next week in tulsa must sign a waiver, promising not to sue if they contract the virus. >> we know that the -- the -- the types of conditions that lead to the highest rate of covid-19 transmission are crowded, indoor spaces with a lot of people who are shouting and screaming. i think it's almost certain that we will see superspreader events come from these rallies. >> erica hill, cnn, new york. >> all right. erica, thank you so much. dr. fauci, speaking out to cnn, this evening. he's got a warning all americans should hear if you want to keep the cases down in this country. that's next. ok. it was an accident. he was tickling me and... [laughing] stop it! yeah. whoops! but julie has resolve pet expert. its latest formula attacks odors at the source. no odor. no stain. no nothin'. whatever happens, no big deal. resolve. leanfire supplements from force factor contain ingredients clinically shown to help increase energy, burn fat, and double your weight loss. don't struggle to fit in. unleash your potential, with leanfire. available at retailers nationwide. more than 114,000 people have now died from coronavirus, in the u.s. and, today, the center for disease control -- centers for disease control -- projecting that the death toll will rise to 130,000, by july 4th. this, as 19 states are seeing an increase in coronavirus cases. let's discuss. what is going on with dr. esther chu, associate professor at oregon health and science university. doctor, i'm so glad to have you on to help us with this. i just want to play this. this is a warning from dr. fauci today. here it is. >> if you leapfrog over different phases, you increase the risk that you're going to have the kind of resurgences that we're seeing in certain of the states. >> has the united states stalled in the fight against coronavirus? >> i'm not so sure we can say it stalled. but we're seeing, right now, is something obviously that's disturbing. >> do you share his concern? >> i do. i mean, all along, we knew that reopening was never going to be a binary thing. you know, we're closed. now, we're open. go out and do your thing now. i mean, this has to be a phased, very gradual thing. and we have to stay vigilant about what is happening with -- with coronavirus cases. and then, pull back, as we can, as we -- you know, as we need to, when we see that there is a disturbing trend around us. so this isn't an easy thing. we have to be really nimble and response iv. responsive. and sometimes we have to cancel plans that we made for the upcoming weeks, because we see that the trends aren't going well. >> listen. we -- we -- you have been on, since the very beginning, covering this. i feel like we're old friends, and we didn't even know each other before covid. i mean, this has gone on for a long time. >> yeah. >> oregon and utah have put reopening on pause as cases are on the rise. do you think that we're going to see that happening in other states, doctor? >> we will. in oregon, here, where i am, we were -- you know, we were, overall, a success story and we remain so. and i think the governor is doing exactly the right thing. we're going county by county. we're opening in phases, as make sense for that county, based on local information. and when things happen like they did this week, we had our largest surge in cases this week. and the governor has called for us to stop reopening. and i am, actually, waiting to see whether we're able to do that. can people pull back? it was so exciting to be able to reopen, and -- and, you know, see the possibility of doing things like getting a haircut. but now, we have to pause and wait for direction from our public-health officials. and see. >> before -- before we run out of time, doctor, i want to ask you this question because i think it's very important. another important story thait i want to ask you about tonight. charlotte administration announcing it is eliminating an obama-era regulation inhibiting discrimination against transgender patients. what effect will that have have when they try to seek medical care? >> this is really heartbreaking. these are basic protections put in place by the aca under obama administration to prevent discrimination. things like denying insurance coverage for basic care. already, 70% of people who are transgender, and this is 1.5 million people in the united states. it's not a small number. they already experience discrimination. and now, we're taking away the most basic protections, at a time when it's been very challenging to receive care because of coronavirus. people have had to delay gender-affirming surgeries. they've had to have disruptions in their hormonal treatments. this has been a really rough time for this group of vulnerable patients. and now -- and now, this. just a heartbreaking story today. and i'm really scared about the quality of care that transgender individuals will receive. >> and, not to mention, it's coming on the fourth anniversary of the pulse nightclub shooting. and of course -- massacre, i should say -- june is pride month. so insult to injury. thank you so much, doctor. appreciate it. >> exactly. thank you, don. >> thank you for watching, everyone. oufr covera our coverage continues. hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? 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