i m not taking these types of notes. 50 pages of notes that were taken or transcribed by evan corcoran involving his client, donald trump. it makes you stop and think for a second, did evan corcoran know that something untoward was going on? he wanted to govern his own hide? a lot of what comes out of these notes is self serving. we never would ve seen these notes. but for the fact that a federal judge said that the attorney client privilege, which normally is sacrosanct, you can t pierce that, but the crime fraud exception was found to exist in this case. were donald trump was using one of his lawyers to further a crime, and because of that, we were able to get our hands on this. evan corcoran saying, donald trump is making him do things which otherwise are a crime. because of the, we now, as the american public know it, courtesy of jack smith s very, very detailed speaking indictment. why would evan corcoran note that? why would you be so specific in that note, katy? because he k
there s a good reason to suspect that s the case. i think there s a we don t know what s in the notes at this point. we know they are valuable enough to prosecutors that they went to court and got a judge to say that it appears there s certainly evidence to indicate that mr. corcoran s client, the former president, was taking advantage of that counsel to commit a crime. and that s the exception, which is breaching the privilege, which judges don t like to do. that s a very sacred privilege. so, judges are very aware of it, and it s but it s very telling to us, as spectators at this point, that we are seeing a case that is being built. and there s judging who are looking at this evidence seeing evidence of criminal behavior by mr. trump. yeah, that crime/fraud exception was found by the judge in this case, which is a very
by trump and i do think that that is basically like what we saw in this documents investigation where the crime fraud exception was put in place by a judge and the judge said that the doj had met the threshold. so pence has you know he got some of this in his book, right? this won t all be a surprise, but i think that the prosecutors will be asking detailed questions under oath, assuming that this doesn t get appealed and that they don t succeed on appeal. i think that there is nobody else who can afford a view into trump s mindset. the way pence can and who can talk about the pressure campaign? he was under there for much of that, right in. the reality is if i were still advising, advising mike pence. this is this could be a win for him. i mean, it s the right thing to do for the history books for him to testify, but he s very likely running for president. you know, he s considering it prayerfully. this is a time for him to tell for the history books. the true story of those final day
saw in this documents investigation where the crime fraud exception was put in place by a judge and the judge said that the doj had met the threshold. so pence has you know , he got some of this in his book, right? this won t all be a surprise, but i think that the prosecutors will be asking detailed questions under oath, assuming that this doesn t get appealed and that they don t succeed on appeal. i think that there is nobody else who can afford a view into trump s mindset. the way pence can and who can talk about the pressure campaign? he was under there for much of that, right in. the reality is if i were still advising, advising mike pence. this is this could be a win for him. i mean, it s the right thing to do for the history books for him to testify, but he s very likely running for president. he is considering a prayerfully. this is a time for him to tell for the history books. the true story of those final days and to put a nail in the coffee coffin of the trump presidency or
the testimony. that is the latest vote blow to the ex presidents claim of privilege. on friday, trump s lawyer testified for three hours, as part of the grand jury investigating trump s handling of classified documents. he will return for questioning after howell denied his claim for attorney client privilege, stating the pro fraud exception. he has been told to hand over more illegal documents, investigators are going to handle for most invoices and transcriptions of personal audio recordings. it is clear. trump wanted to keep that information private, since he even mediately appealed howls ruling. however, that appeal was quickly rejected, so quickly that it left some questioning if new information, possibility with national security could ve accelerated that time. let s bring our panel back. let s start, charles, with this latest ruling from judge howell. busiest women in washington apparently. executive privilege specifically, trump expected to appeal.