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Extraordinary. >> it is. its interesting. in that same interview, i believe he was talking about -- really did not rule out whether he in fact may run in 2020. >> shepard: no, no. not ruled out. >> is he talking about a potential political opponent here? its really, as you said, extraordinary to hear a former vice president talk that way. these are different times were in. >> shepard: fully didnt. felt like a candidate. who knows what will come along. julie, great to see you. thanks for coming t...