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And again, his own officials are not calling out the veracity of that reporting. i think that the power to pardon is something that the president didnt know a ton about when he came into the white house but hes been very enamored of that potential power once he fully grasped it. and we saw in several instances in the mueller report in which he -- a bunch of aides stopped him from obstructing justice. i think that the president doesnt always understand the boundaries of governing and government a...

Potential power once he fully grasped it. and we saw in several instances in the mueller report in which he -- a bunch of aides stopped him from obstructing justice. i think that the president doesnt always understand the boundaries of governing and government and weve seen that time and time again with instances in the mueller report with this idea that you can just seize land from people and sort of ask for forgiveness later and do pardons. i think that is part of the presidents governing stra...

Instances in the mueller report with this idea that you can just seize land from people and sort of ask for forgiveness later and do pardons. i think that is part of the presidents governing strategy. >> gene, what do you make of it? the idea apparently coming from the white house here, the idea that yes, maybe he said the words but the words werent meant -- the interpretation of the words coming through these news stories might be off a little bit. >> thats sort of the go-to move of what you wo...