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Can then rebuild the states economic picture to the tune of 250,000 jobs. how do you create jobs by breaking the union? >> well, were going to find out more in his state of the state message which will be next tuesday. what he is alluding to. i have talked with some of the folks there in madison, wisconsin. what he is alluding to is stripping away collective bargaining powers that constrain the ability of government to reduce the size of payrolls and, indeed, reduce wages. he is going to be savi...

Need to eliminate collective bargain wag driven by the fiscal condition of the state? now they said its not a fiscal issue otherwise they couldnt pass it. does it put a lie to their entire argument. >> you saw them finally giving up and throwing their cards on the table. we got a peek at them at first when walker said -- when he had his billion dollar phone call where he said this was going to be the first domino and he was going to drop a bombshell then we got a piece today when senator fitzger...

Your holdout has been and the reason you went to illinois is over the collective bargaining portion of the bill. now that that is behind us, you say youre on your way back to madison. will you convene for a quorum and vote for those give-backs on the pension and health plan? >> these were things in the bill that just passed. they attacked on collective bargaining. we have to see, obviously republicans have proved themselves untrustworthy with this tactic so we have to decide if this is something...

About how much healthcare costs they pay for. everything republicans wanted in terms of fiscal concessions from people that work for the state, they got them. public employees conceded. they gave republicans everything they asked for in terms of paid give backs, pension, healthcare, everything with budget impact, the public employees gave up right away, right at the outset. if it was really about the budget, then those concessions would have sort of solved the problem. would have been enough. bu...

Paid, not about what they contribute to pensions, not about how much healthcare costs they pay for. everything republicans wanted in terms of fiscal concessions from people that work for the state, they got them. public employees conceded. they gave republicans everything they asked for in terms of paid give backs, pension, healthcare, everything with budget impact, the public employees gave up right away, right at the outset. if it was really about the budget, then those concessions would have ...

A lot of people from this industry go into top government jobs. so we just have to be a little bit careful about saying just because you vote for politicians, which all of us do, doesnt mean that you cant get an economic benefit from them. >> thats a feature. american society will go through a great shakedown and there will be squeezes on concentrated interests. in the health care sector. >> what about the guys who are responsible for the financial crisis. >> america spend more in gdp in the hea...

Financial services. these are huge contributors to political campaigns. a lot of people from this industry go into top government jobs. so we just have to be a little bit careful about saying just because you vote for politicians, which all of us do, doesnt mean that you cant get an economic benefit from them. >> thats a feature. american society will go through a great shakedown and there will be squeezes on concentrated interests. in the health care sector. >> i dont see a lot of squeezes on w...

Disagrees because he did it. that is right. there is certainly a question that, you know, it is one thing to talk about the give-backs on the money issues and another to say whether or not unions should have collective bargaining rights or not. and the argument, last week of course we had scott walker on, the argument is you cannot have a fair fight when the public service unions sit down with local governments, they say, cut our programs if you want. or, lay off teachers, but you will not cut o...

You can argue that is not fiscal. you can argue therefore you can introduce a bill to cancel the collective bargaining powers. that the unions in wisconsin have today. argue its not a fiscal issue. is there a parliamentarian in the senate to make a ruling on this? say its illegitimate? im not sure they had parliamentary issue in 50 years. obscure issue. quorum of 20 is obscure in itself, not sure its ever been invokeed. why not split off issue of the bargaining rights and leave in place, untouch...

Because the local units of government have got just as serious a financial problem as the state government. and the only way for the localnds of government, the city, the county, the school districts will be able to perform is to have these give backs and be able to ask the unions he local level to give back, as well. and without this bill, the governor does not believe intha be able to get the kind of concessions that the local units will need in order to support their ongoing governing proposa...