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We will give him every penny back. the only thing we dont think is fair is to confuse how we negotiate, the process of negotiating correctivel collectively. theyve conceded every one of the financial issues and yet the governor seems to be fighting an ideological battle. explain the checks. connection. >> they didnt give in until very recently when the governor campaign order this.>> they did very recently when the governor campaign order this. the governor is not a johnny or scott come late pi....

About? sure, this is a rough, raw thing. and i think that and the fact that president obama goated them with the talk about the assault on the unions are polarizing the country. i think republicans and conservatives will wind up with the larger half. >> mike barnicle, what do you think? whos winning this fight? >> its hard to tell. first all, union membership nationwide among work serz 6%. public employees union membership is about 30% of the employed people in this country. they dont have the n...

You can argue that is not fiscal. you can argue therefore you can introduce a bill to cancel the collective bargaining powers. that the unions in wisconsin have today. argue its not a fiscal issue. is there a parliamentarian in the senate to make a ruling on this? say its illegitimate? im not sure they had parliamentary issue in 50 years. obscure issue. quorum of 20 is obscure in itself, not sure its ever been invokeed. why not split off issue of the bargaining rights and leave in place, untouch...

>> dont have to call them names. >> they took a powder to illinois rather than vote and do their job. >> i dont know you spoke giddish. union busting. just to reiterate that. i think thed media is reportingt as a budget issue. its a union busting issue. >> its not. >> the states are broke republicans when they were elected to office, taking away their collective far banning rights. ant eventually. i didnt interrupt you. >> bill: it is party politics. if you go back and look at the tape of the br...

>> dont have to call them names. >> they took a powder to illinois rather than vote and do their job. >> i dont know you spoke giddish. union busting. just to reiterate that. i think thed media is reportingt as a budget issue. its a union busting issue. >> its not. >> the states are broke republicans when they were elected to office, taking away their collective far banning rights. ant eventually. i didnt interrupt you. >> bill: it is party politics. if you go back and look at the tape of the br...

>> dont have to call them names. >> they took a powder to illinois rather than vote and do their job. >> i dont know you spoke giddish. union busting. just to reiterate that. i think thed media is reportingt as a budget issue. its a union busting issue. >> its not. >> the states are broke republicans when they were elected to office, taking away their collective far banning rights. ant eventually. i didnt interrupt you. >> bill: it is party politics. if you go back and look at the tape of the br...

About it, the unions have said theyre willing to make cuts. >> there are two issues, one is balancing the budget. with respect to the give backs, they have said well give you those give backs, the dollars and sense. but they said, we dont agree with you, that we should be dessert phied and lose our capacity to negotiate. >> the claktive bargaining agreement. the governor should have declared victory on the financial side. and i disagree with him, but he will have the votes to win it it. >> he ca...

Have fiscal problems. >> can i say something? this is really a misperception of what is the issue driving states into bankruptcy. yes, there are pensioner issues that are significant. there are issues of wage levels that have to be dealt with. the crisis for states is a revenue crisis, we have had the worst recession/depression since 29, revenues are down 15%. all of the states costs are fixed costs, and so when you have that gap, you have a crisis, this is not suddenly the civil service workers...

Have that gap, you have a crisis, this is not suddenly the civil service workers are being paid so much more than they were two years ago, when states were doing fine. lets not confuse the issue, i disagree about union busting, he wants to do it, he may have the votes for it. >> this is about the budget? >> no, i dont buy that. the unions have agreed with him on the give backs, this is prospectively as ed said, who will have how much power in the politics of wisconsin. >> they have used the powe...

Have that gap, you have a crisis, this is not suddenly the civil service workers are being paid so much more than they were two years ago, when states were doing fine. lets not confuse the issue, i disagree about union busting, he wants to do it, he may have the votes for it. that is not why -- >> this is about the budget? >> no, i dont buy that. the unions have agreed with him on the give backs, this is prospectively as ed said, who will have how much power in the politics of wisconsin. >> they...