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Part of the reason is, you wan to know all the facts, and maybe there is some informatio you dont know but chances are you actually d know, most of not all of the facts, already whats really important is t lock mike into a story whatever it is, good, bad, o ugly, lock him into the stor because when you cant hav happen is to indict donald trump without having talked to mike pence and then a year fro now, when the case goes to trial, having donald trump cal mike pence as a witness who no comes up ...

The economic situation of the states, the unemployment rates as well as the very vast difference in the electorates, is that why these others will potentially hang on and go ugly against mitt romney? >> i think its personal hate. >> good lord, it seems -- >> they can try, but at the end of the day, i dont think it works in south carolina. if you told me that newt was going to spend $5 million showing clips of mitt romney from 1994 saying that he was pro-choice and pro-gun control and pro-gay mar...

Why its going to be so tough for him, because this kind of sterling, clean record of winning fairly easily, because he hasnt had any opponents that have, you know, when he ran against alan keyes, he didnt have to go ugly, because alan keyes was his own worst enemy. he didnt have to go against mccain -- >> but feehery, you have just been contradictory -- you said hes going to go ugly, but hes never gone ugly. >> i said thats the only way he can win, is go ugly, but i think its going to be risky f...

>> i dont think he ever has. and thats why, i think thats why its going to be so tough for him, because this kind of sterling, clean record of winning fairly easily, because he hasnt had any opponents that have, you know, when he ran against alan keyes, he didnt have to go ugly, because alan keyes was his own worst enemy. he didnt have to go against mccain -- >> but feehery, you have just been contradictory -- you said hes going to go ugly, but hes never gone ugly. >> i said thats the only way h...

Motivate my base and freeze the middle so they dont come out? the only way he can do that -- hes certainly not going to run on his record. the only way he can do that is go hard after mitt romney. the risk for barack obama is if he goes ugly early, it is going to splash up on him and people are going to see right through that. and i think it could really hurt him with independent voters. >> you just used the word "ugly." it is ugly to say that mitt romney is quite flexible in his position taking...

Clear, tear this president down by any means necessary. all right, joining me now is bob shrum who worked on both the gore and kerry presidential campaign. he knows a thing or two about dirty campaigns run against his guys. and jonathan alter. bob, you were on kerrys campaign. they ran the swift boat veterans against you. is this part and parcel to republican strategy? we have a campaign going on, go dirty, go ugly, go as low as you can. >> ive written extensively about the swift boats and why i...