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Exactly casper. its not even laramie. so theres that. and i think the cheney family is busy trying to resurrect itself to reclaim its reputation. as indeed on a parallel track, george w. bush has been. these are people who are determined. these are fish constantly swimming upstream. its in their nature. and the cheneys are trying to establish a new generation. and i think these days, people mix the prominence of politics with the prominence of the media. i think liz cheneys desire is to get back...

As a united states senator and shes willing to violate all the rules of life in wyoming to do it. >> you know, youve got spitzer and weaner running after their embarrassments but they didnt have a war with all the casualties of that war on their conscience. cheney never apologized for iraq and nonsense that led to the argument the brilliant propaganda campaign he marshalled to get us in that war and to stay in that war. i mean, they dont apologize for that. they dont say they made a mistake. the...

George w. bush has been. these are people who are determined. these are fish constantly swimming upstream. its in their nature. and the cheneys are trying to establish a new generation. and i think these days, people mix the prominence of politics with the prominence of the media. i think liz cheneys desire is to get back here to washington as a united states senator and shes willing to violate all the rules of life in wyoming to do it. >> you know, youve got spitzer and weiner running after the...

Rather not have a national i.d. card than solve the problem? >> thats not accurate, chris. >> help me out then. you are saying, well do it your way which is sort of relying on drivers licenses which have never been successful. and by the way, how many states issue phony drivers licenses? its unbelievable. thats the thing that got spitzer in trouble. this is like what goes on, you know that. got hillary clinton and her campaign it came up, the issuing of phony drivers licenses. you know what goes...

>> thats not accurate, chris. >> help me out then. are you saying, well do it your way which is sort of relying on drivers licenses which have never been successful, and by the way, how many states issue phony drivers licenses? its unbelievable. that a thing that got spitzer in trouble. this is like what goes on, you know that. got hillary clinton and her campaign it came up, the issuing of phony drivers licenses. virginia does it. a lot of states do it. >> you set up a straw man where if i dont...

Like to have this if it stops the problem. representative murphy, would you rather not have on national id card than solve the problem. >> thats not accurate, chris. >> help me out then. you are saying, well do it your way which is sort of relying on drivers licenses which have never been successful. and by the way, how many states issue phony drivers licenses? its unbelievable. thats the thing that got spitzer in trouble. this is like what goes on, you know that. got hillary clinton and her cam...