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Because hes just sort of a regular, boring, white guy democrat. my theory is that thats the best path. again, you dont need to rile up the base if you are the democrat because trump does that for you. to be a regular, boring guy, who doesnt rile up the republican base, i think that could be the stronger thing. the most exciting democrats might be undermining their own -- >> bill: you dont get as many likes. >> its all about the likes. its >> bill: thank you, sir. i go to the dentist, youre going...

Anybody who puts too much emphasis on the issue of cracking down on illegal immigration runs the risk of turning away exactly those swing voters that he is talking about. the suburban voters who swung from voting republican to voting democrat in 2018, they might be withdrawn basically on the issue, but if hes willing to go so far as to shut down the government for what will be the longest government shut down in history, that i think could end up backfiring. >> bill: one more quick question for ...