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realistic hope right now, as we sit here, that this time will be different? >> greg abbott would like us all to think that this is a mental health problem, every expert will tell you that these people -- that there are no indicators of mental health. that theyre rational people, that they plan these things out. theyre psychopaths, sure. but youre never going to really truly isolate them and identify them beforehand. and the experts around the country suggest that. theres mental health ...

Look, i think, chris ive been on-scene commander in shoot-outs and crazy things. just to help the discussion, let me just tell you how i think it should have went. because were all talking about how we think it went badly. when the on-scene commander is inside, hes got 19 officers, most who have long guns. and he reaches the breach point, in other words, he reaches the point where hes just outside the door with his team and the guys inside. the first failure is he doesnt have the key and hes chi...