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Also conceivable that he got some raw deal over the course of the investigation. we dont know that yet, but its not necessarily mutually exclusive. it could be both. >> martha: one other thing that baker said, he was asked about bill barr and we dont have time to play it, but he said what we need to do is calm down and listen to the actual words that the ag is saying and once we do, its much less alarming. do you think that some of overreacted to bill barr given what we saw in the interview that...