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Feels they should or could do that under orders from the president who put them in an incredible position. >> remember what happened after those came about there was a big argument about whether individuals in the cia could be prosecuted and a big argument about whether the president was going to protect them. and theres another element to this, theres a big debate about how useful it is in i way. >> david sanger, chief washington correspondent for the "new york times," i know its not the easies...

>> both. i think he is concerned that as the difficult as its been for speaker boehner and the republicans to get out of the cul-de-sac that they have marked into the spending bills, that -- its going to be very difficult to do it on the debt limit. i think that most people in washington like people on wall street think end of the day that rationality is going to prevail. and this unbelievable self-inflicted wound will not be inflicted by the congress. but i think he is a larmd enough about it. ...