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chuck rosenberg, matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. youve had a bit more time, tell us what else weve learned. >> i mean, i think its significant, especially in those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this ...

for msnbc news, -- matt miller joins us, former special advisor on communications for the nsa, and former chief spokesperson for the department of justice. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. youve had a bit more time, tell us what else weve learned. >> i mean, i think its significant, especially those photos that you discussed in the last hour, that show just how this w...

tell us what else youve learned. >> i mean, i think its significant especially the photos yout discussed last hou that show just how this was organized. i think a key part of this is essentially them not trusting the trump team because after they had that initial grand jury subpoena that was delivered, you had this filing that was signed by a trump lawyer, name is redacted in this latest filing, so weis dont know based on the filing who it was, but has been reported publicly about this...

Hard it is to prove intent. its the hardest thing to prove in these types of cases. not that someone did something, but that some someone did something intentionally. but when you cover that thing up, when you lie about that thing, when you conceal that thing from the department of justice and the fbi, it tends to prove intent. if it was a genuine mistake, you would say immediately, oh my goodness, stephanie, my bad, i realized that i had a whole bunch of classified information in my basement, h...

Prove intent. my bad, i realize i have a whole bunch of classified information in my basement. here you go. i dont want it. its yours. you should have it back. to matts point, thats not really a prosecutable case anymore. when you culie, when you obfusce and mislead the fbi about what it is you have, thats obstruction and helps to establish intent which is the hardest thing to prove in these types oft cases. so, matt, i understand why he was our head communicator. hes really good at this. >> mat...