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Extremely important topic of the torture tactics we used. its a very important national debate and we have the academic who was an adviser on obamacare making comments -- hold on. >> we have video now in 2010 that said he was an author. >> okay. >> let him finish. >> let me finish. hes an academic adviser making comments in an academic setting. should we have transparency? absolutely. >> he is never going to compete with rectal feeding on the headline scale. >> i dont know. we are going into the...