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Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Robert mueller is not. See you in a bit. Here onset for another day, dan goldman, an msnbc legal analyst along with our pal nbc News Reporter carol lee. It is less hot than it has been all week. You picked a good day to be here. Dan, let me start with you, if you look at what each side wants, they are both looking for leverage. And the sticking point, one of them seems to be this idea much an in person interview. What is th...

What you learned? >> every defendant says they are innocent until they are not. >> not the ones who confess, but okay. >> very few of those and people who know about the investigation prior to this which chris collins did. keep that in mind he has to say im innocent. he has a line of defense here that is plausible, which is to say that you dont know what i said in the conversation with my son. its my son, i talk to him all the time and you dont know that i was actually relaying any information s...