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Something he didnt want to hear, which is you should not go in and talk to the special counsel robert mueller, that would be a bad idea. you know, were seeing across the board all these personnel changes. thats whats happening. if you disagree with the president. >> ted olson, the white shoe attorney, veteran washington lawyer, he said no thanks to president trump this week. that was the most revealing moment. we scooped it at "the washington post." all these lawyers dont want to come in. its no...

Held, raised serious constitutional questions, thats a problem. thats a real problem. >> how much does intent matter? i think thats -- its something you said to me the last time we spoke, it stuck with me. the intent alone canender something unconstitutional. a policy that would be perfectly fine if the intent was to discriminate can be render eed fully unconstitutional simply because its motivated out of unconstitutional animus or desire to discriminate. >> thats absolutely true. that is an acc...

Dont have anything at all and one thing -- and ive said this many times -- i think the republicans have been able to do something that democrats were not -- were not able to do in six, seven years which is actually make obamacare important. >> yup. >> and thats what they did. >> they made it important and popular or at least above water for the first time basically in the history of the legislation. karine jean-pierre and david jolly, thank you for being with me. >> good to be with you, chris. ...

Event where people proclaimed they werent paid to be there. >> i think some people are clearly upset but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. but theyre obviously people that are upset but i also think that when you look at some of these districts and some of these things that it is not a representation of a members district or an incident. it is a loud group -- small group of people disrupting something in many cases for dia attention. no offense. its just -- ink...

Look, at a very basic human level obamacare has subsidized something for the american people and if republicans say were going back to strictly private markets, there are people in are going to lose as a result of that. and thats why republicans are having a tough time messaging this. >> to that point, vice president today tweeting about individual responsibility. were going to restheer ore tha the health care market. do you want individual responsibility as an ordering principal when someone ha...

Is that going to be in your feature in your next brief? i saw a few lawyers joking about essentially miller handing the opposition ammunition. >> it -- i mean it is a troubling statement if theyre going to put back into place as he put it the same basic policy that the courts have already held, raised serious constitutional questions, thats a problem. thats a real problem. >> how much does intent matter? i think thats -- its something you said to me the last time we spoke, it stuck with me. the ...

Protect. theres some ways in which that hurts them because they dont have anything to point to. but they also dont have to defend the specifics of something. legislation is messy, theres going to be parts of it people dont like. remember the death panel mythology of the affordable care act, right? >> sure, sure. >> so it strikes me that in some ways it almost gets almost more difficult once theyre actually defending an actual living piece of legislation. >> sure, thats it. listen, we have to rec...

Jeff sessions was siding against children. >> what is striking to me is the amount of power the doj has and something people opposing jeff sessionss nomination were talking a lot about. obviously the people supporting him recognized the power of it. you work in the civil rights division. how much latitude, how much power does an attorney general have in terms of what civil rights laws get enforced? >> it has a ton of power, chris. and certainly in the title ix context and in title vi, the doj ha...

My question is, theres something about what spicer said thats true, right? the people in that room dont represent the broad spectrum of arkansas public opinion. the question is, how much does that actually matter? >> well, i would have to say this. i mean, majority to the congressmans point. of voters did not vote for donald trump or vote for the policies that he stands for. and people are indeed very angry. theyre angry about the ban, angry about losing their health care, angry about deportatio...

Of education is generally not a super high well-known position. >> everybody knows her name. >> everyone knows her name, huge amounts of interest. >> quick name that secretary of education in george w. bush. i cant either. >> heather something, shes from texas. >> all right, you went to college. not fair, you have a degree. >> ding, yes. >> you know what im saying youre right. nobody knew now everybody knows we have a secretary of education that has never entered a public school. >> someone in t...