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want everybody and it s true that there are illegals, they have broken the law. but not everybody is deportable. right now, we need to have clear rules, the fed needs to sit with the cities and say give me the ones that i have on this list. dana: you are an immigration lawyer and is what she describing actually possibl possible? ice doesn t need help, they are very good at what they do. they don t need the cities, there is no such thing as a sanctuary city, it s a political phantom. nobody can touch it but it doesn t exist. a city cannot oppose the federal government. they don t need the states help. dana: the message that it s sending it that we hispanics, we want to protect criminals and wt to support this actuary cities. if it s true what you re saying, there is not a legal definition as to what a sanctuary city is but it s nonetheless making us look really bad. dana: would you support the
the i just want to say is we have to deal with pakistan, no insurgency is going to be defeated as long as they are having a headquarters in pakistan. dana: pakistan has been very quiet, you don t read many articles about it used to be on front pages on the time, why is that? i think they re laying low and figuring out what the administration is going to do. i think we have to send a signal that they need to take action against the network, we don t really have a choice but to commit to these troops. there is a lot of handwringing about it, i understand that spirit but i want to make clear that if they tell a man retake afghanistan, isis and al qaeda will be in their way, they will attack the united states again and then what?
barack obama needed somebody wha could get stuff donee on capitol hill. nobody knew the hill better than ron. nobody knew how to take theto hill. dana: and the press. managing the message is also as you well know, it s critical. the white house chief s job to make sure that everyone s on the same page. dana: driving the agenda. any advice you would offer to president trump or even to the current chief of staff who they re nearing the end of their first hundred days? back in december, 10x white house chiefs went to the white house to give him advice as he was about to start and they had one piece of advice in common and that was you have to be first among equals in the white house. otherwise this cannot work.av he dutifully took notes. when the chiefs left, none of them were confident that he didn t have mission impossible on his hands because donald trump doesn t understand that he needs it. dana: were going to have to go.
you have to remember that there is a system, a legal justice system in place. the law deports people. secretary kelly doesn t. i.c.e. doesn t. it s the united statesw criminal justice system, our justice system, that deports people. dana: joining us from miami, democratic strategists mary anne marsh, and with me in new york, carrie sheffield, founder of bold, a digital news site. mary anne, if i could start with you. when secretary kelly talks about deporting illegal aliens and having a felony of a dui, that seems reasonable to me. i think that most democrats would agree. is that right? i think it is reasonable. his job is to enforce the law and that is the law. however, he noted that you have to have a criminal record to be on their radar screen if you are an undocumented immigrant. the fact is, while arrests are up, what is also down is the number of criminal undocumented immigrants they have arrested. in fact, twice as manymi