in this building in the romanian capital bucharest the cia is said to have tortured terror suspects there was also a secret prison in lithuania lawmakers in the us and europe have been trying to come to terms with these detention centers then to terror suspects in the u.s. detention camp back one ton of obey took romania and lithuania to the european court of human rights there the judges ruled the cia operated secret prisons in both countries with the knowledge and cooperation of their governments in violation of anti torture laws. there has been a violation of article three of the convention he needs substantive us picked one account of the despondent states complacently in the ca high value detainee program in that if the neighbors of the us authorities to subject be up a human treatment the ruling was similar to one against poland in twenty fourteen
committee sed that reports on the two deaths. they had the ig reports of the activities earlier in the program. everyone knew that the program i was briefing was created as a result of how bad the agency had begun to do the work early on in the war. so everyone knew, the hypocrisys we will tauch touch on here, does that make it all right? are values being represented well by conducting these tactics that someone would call torture and murder? first, put the two deaths aside, they have been prosecuted twice. they were not a part of this program, deeply regrettable. in agency custody, different circumstances, but we ll put that aside. let s get to the program we are talking about. the one that we went to
operations had not defied white house justice department and cia orders towards those videotapes. that s why michael hayden had to go to the hill and say, let s give you these transcripts of the interrogations and see if you can recreate the fact that those tapes exist. david ignacious earlier we spoke with the former cia director michael hayden. you were there. i want to show you this part when we asked him about the discrepancy about his past testimony and there are many. i have a list of at least five between his testimony in 2007 and what s in the report. i was telling the truth. i was describing the program that was in intense at the time i gave the testimony. the program that had i think at that time 97 people in its custody. the two deaths, although they happened in cia custody, were not a part of the cia program that i was describing, the high value detainee program. in fact, i told the members that the reason we started the
person described who was running interrogation program describing it as a train wreck. it s very, very powerful. you realize just how unprepared the cia was for interrogating the suspects and how unprepared the country was and all the% takes that flowed from that. is this a fair minded report? i think that s one of the questions we are struggling with. the tone was almost prosecutorial. in every instance, it was never to look for the worst construction, the possibility that the cia had willfully, deliberately, misled congress, misled the executive branch. and i found that unconvincing in some instances. for example the claim that these techniques were entirely effective. cia officers have said for years now, that you just can t know what a part of the process of the investigation led to the details to allow the break through that targeted osama bin
ghastly work of torture and i think what makes this omoral choice for our country, we have to be agnostic about what they contributed to the ability to find us on bin ladin, the cia insists that the key leads in finding the could bar who allowed them to kill bin ladin came, if part, from these harsh interrogation techniques, i think people that say never again, no mortarture, is it important to say you might be giving up information that may be valuable. it seems to me if you take yourself off the hook, you say, ah, well, it never worked. is it a terrible cycle if you use it and it doesn t work, then you got information if you are america, it creates more problems, right? if you have a rule that says this is against our moral and legal fabric, then you are