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John mccain, a prisoner of war who said, take it from me, i know personally, torture does not work. it just added heaviness to this situation. i think that was a unique thing about this debate. we have not seen something like that take place in the senate in a long time. >> that, jeremy, one of the key questions coming out of this. mike barnacle will be looking at the. did the cia overstate the stes e success of the program? i mean, does it who,? thats a big debate, which i think has been stirre...

Positions for long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. thats seven-and-a-half days over a week with no sleep. the cia led several detainees to believe they would never be allowed to leave cia custody alive. cia detainees at one facility described as a dungeon were kept if complete darkness, constantly sackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for huh pan waste. >> the results of confusion of how many detainees exi...

President george bush new the details of the program early on? >> it was my understanding, certainly, in the nsa program. he and i talked about it before we launched it. it was not something he would buy or forget. i wasnt there for the personal briefings of president bush. i just ever you to the presidents own auto biography, in which he said he personally approved the waterboard. >> we have the washington posts david ignacious with us as well. david. >> i want to focus on what mike barnacle wa...

Lexis in the box. >> "wall street journal," carole lay, go ahead. >> i had two questions. one it sounds like you are saying if retrospect if you lad to do it over that this was a program that you would still support in general. then, second, what kind of impact does something like this, which highlights some obviously very negative action taken by cia officials do to morale at the cia at this point, particularly coming on top of things like the nsa revelations? >> yeah, look, when a cia officer ...

Really want an authentic accounting of what happened. this is a big deal. we few we were on the edge. we few a lot of our countrymen would not agree with this. i would really like the facts to be out there. when this study was launched, mica, the charter fort said this study will have hearings and interviews and make recommendations. we are 0 for 3 when they opted for the 6 million document fish in order to pull out saying perhaps out of context in order to make what seals to be a predetermined ...

Committeesed that reports on the two deaths. they had the ig reports of the activities earlier in the program. everyone knew that the program i was briefing was created as a result of how bad the agency had begun to do the work early on in the war. >> so everyone knew, the hypocrisys we will tauch touch on here, does that make it all right? are values being represented well by conducting these tactics that someone would call torture and murder? >> first, put the two deaths aside, they have been ...

That -- >> its hypocritical. >> do we know the extent? >> i knew most of the details in this report, but hearing them and seeing them in print from the raw transcripts is much more powerful than hearing about the program. >> we want to get to carole lay, former cia director michael hay den will be on strongly criticizing the report. he says its not torture and the investigation was politicized. >> as bad as some people think cia behavior was with regard to these 100 or so detainees. if everyone ...

Operations had not defied white house justice department and cia orders towards those videotapes. thats why michael hayden had to go to the hill and say, lets give you these transcripts of the interrogations and see if you can recreate the fact that those tapes exist. >> david ignacious earlier we spoke with the former cia director michael hayden. you were there. i want to show you this part when we asked him about the discrepancy about his past testimony and there are many. i have a list of at ...

>> first, what surprised me most, mike, was just how unprepared the cia are or was for the job it was given to do if interrogateing these suspects. i mean, the really comes acontrols as a gentlemans club. they have one quote from an officer in 1978, basically, saying, we dont do these sorts of things. its an abomination, why are you asking me? so they turned to two psychologists, two outside contractors to run this program. that was surprising. you see in the first year or two how disorganizing ...

For long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. thats 7 1/2 days. over a week with no sleep. the cia led several detainees to believe they would never be allowed to leave cia custody alive. cia detainees at one facility described as a dungeon were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use. >> there was confusion about how many detainees existed. records showed at least 119. cia ...