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But whether they are trying to hide a campaign finance -- >> harry, they never made the payment. >> well, so that would go to whether its an attempt or not. it would not vitiate conspiracy. and the main point of whats going on here is the hush money payment, not just to mcdougal, but to others. remember cohen says, well, we have to set up this whole organization, the cfo of trump organization could get hit by a bus. >> yeah. >> the issue is -- >> got to go, guys. make your point. go ahead, finis...

Organization could get hit by a bus. >> yeah. >> the issue is -- >> got to go, guys. make your point. go ahead, finish your point then i have to go. >> the only thing -- >> no, harry first. >> sorry. >> its an overall conspiracy to pay hush money to someone who could harm the election prospects for him straightforwardly. >> quickly, michael, please. >> the only theoretical crime thats here is the possibility of failure to report a payment by ami for the influence of an election. >> all right. th...