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Logan. eric: thats a propaganda film taken by the north koreans. do we know what happened to him? >> we know the soviets distributed a still of logan taken from that video thats available or approximately the same time. so there is a good indication that he did survive and he is somewhere there or died in captivity. but we need to know. i dont expect some minor official to know. but if we asked question every single time, the chinese will get the point. eric: you think as many as 800. gilbert as...