anymore. and here we are now. thank you so much, joyq■. good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, andñr■it is a big night with major historic breaking news. and i mqgoing to be with you for the next hour entirely. and after that, the one and only rachel maddow will be here. kmt. x■so, we expect that somelp time early next week that the former president of these united states willoki] surrender to the manhattan district attorney s office where he will be arrested and face arraignment on felony criminal charges. and that m■jul■ afternoon a grand jury in manhattan voted to indict donald trump i of their son baron. this is the culmination of an investigation that s been five years and two districtf■ attorneys. in recent weeks, as the case neared a close, or appeared to, we saw key witnesses testify before the grand juryñr■ down i■ m■attan, including michael cohen, trump st■r and fixer, who actk!ñ■made the payments toçó■daniels in october of 201
forth and i misread your tex [laughter] i thought i was gonna have you on the top of the show and the you are you crossed on the top of my show and i was lik sending everyone on a while it was chase. but it s wonderful to see you. no or you thought i was gonna be on with you an hour ago, just pop up roundly o your show uninvited? no, i was having you on but then i realized afterwards tha i d screw that up and heads an a bunch of embarrassing emails telling people to stand down having revere the text you sen me so it s wonderful to see you here on this very importan day. thank you, chris. hey, and thank you for askin me to be here, i m here unde weird circumstances. i did my own makeup which is hilarious. so i look like we ve all bee talking about nicks nixon an actually here to remind us o the ghost of nixon nixon it s 1960. you do everything including your makeup. before you go, let me jus ask you, chris, because you ve been asking a lot of questions this hour and,
all the presidents men went to jail the attorney john mitchell, hr haldeman, john ehrlichman, the list is long but the pardon gerald ford which most historians have sai give accolades to ford, he hea the nation for the memoirs is called th time to heal now i don t know about it. after living through trump may have been a mistake to pardo nixon because it allows people like trump who are bad operators to fill themselves with unwelcome hubris. i think the historica consensus on that pardon has really shifted for exactly the reasons that you have noted. douglas brinkley, a grea pleasure to have you here. my friend and colleague john psyche, check her out this weekend. thank you very much. that is all in on this norma thursday night and the rachel maddow show starts right now good evening, rachel this is not supposed to b when the rachel maddow show is on i know. can i tell you a quick funny thing? you texted back the back and