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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:15:00

Cross-examination or a direct exa examination. id be insisting donald trump be the first witness. >> he could plead the fifth. but good luck to him if that is what he wants to do. i would put him on the stand and go through all the facts with him. and let the american public see this is the guy who says he is completely innocent, he has done nothing wrong. well, if he is so innocent, why isnt he clamoring to be the first witness at this trial and that is who the democrats should serve him with a...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:16:00

Truthfully, i think that he could tell you about all the negotiations with ukraine. it is not just a call. there is months long of scheming that went on as well. and what you a he is so uncareful, hed probably slip in other crimes that president trump has committed as well. >> and first of all, the tv show of donald trump -- weve heard him talk. and rudy giuliani, weve heard how he talks. testifying for donald trump? oh, my god, that would put the -- the forcing the glove on moment in the o.j. t...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 15:05:00

House democrats may want to reconsider whether or not they refer the articles next week. what happens in the articles of impeachment is the last paragraph will say and the article is here by referred to the senate for trial. they could strike that paragraph, hold it and either wait for mcconnell and schumer to reach tom some agreement, some assurances that schumer feels that we can go into this knowing that we may have a fair trial or just hold it until the president commits another impeachable ...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 15:14:00

Trial and i think there would be a lot of pub llic support for that. if you do that we will call hunter biden, we will out the whistle-blower. i think those are empty threats. i dont think the nation would stand for that kind of circus so i do think the democrats should press hard to make this a real trial and remember if it isnt then i think what you said earlier making this president the o.j. simpson of presidents would be his fate. that is, he would have not only a red asterisk next to his na...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:05:00

Acquitted in a trial that the outcome is known, and that outcome wasnt even known, it was still a surprise verdict, but if donald trump goes into a trial at which mitch mcconnell has said dont worry, buddy, that is not acquittal. most people will look at him and go, yeah, but he did it. >> you have to keep in mind that there are a number of republicans who like the idea of foreign interference in our elections. they want to stay just where they are because they did so well in 2016. keep in mind ...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:12:00

Them. the risks of doing that are very great for the republicans because those are not necessarily good witnesses for them. i would not put joe biden on the stand to talk about what they have done to his stand in front of a national audience. i would not put adam schiff on the stand to talk about what trump and his minions have done with the russians. going back to the mueller report, right now, joy, you have rudy giuliani running around in ukraine or coming back in you a and now saying that he ...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 15:13:00

A piece in the "washington post" that talked about some things that democrats could do in the senate to try to force mcconnell to hold a real trial. democrats could demand the mountains of documents the administration refused to turn over to the house impeachment inquiry be admitted as evidence in the trial. democrats could insist on the rights to call witnesses such as mick mulvaney, john bolton and they could use the 1999 impeachment of bill clinton as a model. could they force that to happen ...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 15:59:00

There was not a trial in the sense of a criminal trial. >> right. so essentially what the clinton white house did was they put on just their defense but they didnt put on any witnesses in his defense. >> they did not. and the reason was that that was an agreement that had been reached by trent lott who mitch mcconnell is making look like a great statesman now who began a negotiation with tom daschle who was the minority at the time. and immediately after the articles of impeachment voted in the ...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:06:00

Russia who is an oligarch. but what you didnt mention is this is the godfather to paul manafort who is currently serving 7 1/2 years in prison. donald trumps campaign manager. so you have people that are in bed with the russians that are behind all of this, that if you saw this in a normal jury trial in the united states, this is like the hoffa rigging trial basically where he was bribing jurors. donald trump has been taking the jurors to camp david for entertainment, hes been calling the jurors...
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MSNBC AM Joy December 14, 2019 16:04:00

Matter how you vote and whether joe is right and there is a path to a scottish verdict, that you want to be seen as very seriously and actually having a grounded and principal position on whatever you do and being able to communicate that position. republicans have not laid out a grounded principled position yet. and i think what we saw in michigan mcconnells statement is they are not going to. >> and i will go to the folks outside. what i called it earlier in the show, was an o.j. verdict. even...
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