they are all boston strong and we salute them. i'm anderson cooper. good night. >> i hope you were with us during the last hour and you were inspired as watching adrianne haslet-davis story. she is truly boston strong. one thing she wanted to get across to everyone watching is something her grandmother said to her as a kid it is okay to not be okay sometimes. but adrien is doing okay. and she has a long road ahead of her as do many of the survivors but we will root for her along the way. if you are just joining us, we expect a news conference any moment from australian authorities on the search for flight 370. it is 11:00 a.m. in the search area. the newly refined and somewhat
smaller search area. you see it in the red near the top of the screen. the gray is former search areas. the question right now is will it change yet again when angus houston, who's coordinating the search effort, steps to the make phone in perth. will he make bigger news. we will find out shortly and we expect the press conference any moment now. you can you can see it live on the screen. they are preparing the podium and such. as we wait for him i want to go to aar erin mclaughlin. they refined the search area. what do we know about the search going on right now? >> that's right, anderson. they managed to reduce the search area by some 1300 square miles, which believe it or not, is a relatively minor adjustment, compared to the adjustment they made on sunday when they reduced the search
area to roughly a third of what it used to be. still, we're talking about some 33,000 square miles. a very, very large area, which is why authorities have been stressing that it is critical they get more information to be able to reduce it even further. as you said, it will be interesting to see if mr. houston has any comments on that in the press conference that we're expecting just minutes from now. >> when i last talked to authorities in our 8:00 hour, people involved in the search, they were saying they were going to give it many more days, perhaps more than a week of continuing to try to just focus on hearing anymore pings that might occur. the assets that are now being used in the search, do we know how many ships and planes are out there looking? >> well, today, according to the joint agency coordination center, press statements this morning, there are some 15
planes and 14 aircraft out scouring those waters, but it has sob said in some 23 days of the operation we have had no reported findings of any kind of debris. as you mentioned, all eyes right now focused on the australian vessel, the ocean shield with the american ping locater on board scouring the waters in a ladder-like formation, trying to redetect that signal that gave so many people hope here on sunday. again, it will be interesting to see if mr. houston has any comments, any updates on that. the past few press conferences of this kind that we have experienced over the past few days there have been dramatic announcements. anderson. >> erin mclaughlin, we appreciate that. we will check in with erin and as i said if you are just joining us we are waiting to hear from authorities. we do not know what they will be announcing at this press conference. it is a little past 11:00 a.m. in australia and in the search area. obviously the search is already
underway. we don't know if there are new developments, though, beyond the refining the search area. we anticipate some sort of announcement being made. we will bring it to you live. we want to bring in our panel. author of why planes crash, investigator fights for safe skies and doing calculations on the search. boeing trip 777 captain and miles o'brien, former department of transportation inspector who represents accident victims and their families. richard, let's start with you. you were with me in the 8:00 hour. you heard from captain mark math thi mathies from the u.s. navy. he said the life of the pinger is 30 days and may go up to 45 days and may allow that much time to focus the search on trying to get another ping. >> yes.
last night, angus houston said -- i'm just keeping an eye -- forgive me, i'm keeping an eye to see if he will stop me. he said they will go several more days. here's angus houston. >> okay. good morning. i'm accompanied by the same team as on previous occasions. i'm pleased to be here to brief you today. today i can report some further encouraging information regarding the search for missing flight mh-370. on monday, i advised the pinger locater deployed by the ocean shield had detected signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes on two separate occasions.
i can now tell you that ocean shield has been able to reacquire the signals on two more occasions. like yesterday afternoon, and late last night perth time. the detection yesterday afternoon was held for approximately five minutes and 32 seconds. the detection late last night was held for approximately seven minutes. ocean shield has now detected four transmissions in the same broad area. yesterday's signals will assist in better defining a reduced and much more manageable search area on the ocean floor. i believe we are searching in the right area, but we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm
with certainty that this is the final resting place of mh-370. for the sake of the 239 families, this is absolutely imperative. today the ocean shield is continuing the slow, pain staking and methodical work to refine the location around the four acoustic detections. we are not yet at the point of deploying the autonomous underwater vehicle. the better ocean shield can define the area the easier it will be for the autonomous underwater vehicle to subsequently search for aircraft wreckage. it is important to note that ocean shield can search six times the amount of area with the towed pinger locater than can be done with the sonar on the autonomous underwater
vehicle. searching underwater is an extremely laborious task. so the more work we can do on the surface with the towed ping er locater to affix the position of the transmission the less work we will have to do below the surface, scouring the sea floor. given the guaranteed shelf life hoe pinger batteries is 30 days and it's now 33 days since the aircraft went missing it's important that we gather as much information to fix the possible location of the aircraft while the pingers are still transmitting. in further promising information, we have received the results of the data analysis conducted on the signals detected by "ocean shield" on the first two occasions. this data analysis was conducted
by the australia center based at albatross in new south wales. it is the australian defense forces center of excellence for acoustic analysis. the analysis determined that a very stable, distinct and clear signal was detected at 33.331 kilohertz and that it consistently pulsed at a 1.106 second interval. they, therefore, assess the transmission was not of natural origin and was likely sourced from specific electronic equipment. they believe the signals to be consistent with the specification and description of a flight data recorder.
up to 11 military aircraft, four civil aircraft and up to 40 ships will assist in today's search. a modified apc-3 will coordinate with ocean shield in conducting a sonar search in the same vicinity. today a weak front is moving in from the southeast, and is expected to bring scattered showers. the planned search area is about 75,000 square kilometers. you may have noticed the size of the search area has significantly reduced over the last couple of days. based on "ocean shield's" detections we are now searching a much more concentrated area based on the drift pred cases made possible by "ocean
shields'" detections. a smaller area has allowed much tighter search patterns based entirely on visual search principles. in other words, we have intensified our search in the visual search area. just a bit of housekeeping, at my last press conference i said i could come back to you with the precise timing of when the signals were detected by the "ocean shield." the first detection took place on saturday, the 5th of april at 4:45 p.m. perth time. the second detection took place on saturday, the 5th of april at 9:27 p.m. perth time. the third detection took place on tuesday the 8th of april at 4:27 p.m. perth time. the fourth detection took place
on tuesday, 8th of april at 10:17 p.m. perth time. i'm now happy to take your questions, but before i do that i would refer you to the diagram there which shows you where all of the detections were made. i would also highlight to you the satellite hand shake calculation number seven. that was the hand shake, which was a partial ping. where the experts in kuala lumpur access the plane's engines might have flamed out and it's probably significant in terms of the end of power flight. >> what does your data show? du it give you any indication of how far they have traveled? >> we have no idea at this
stage. we are continuing the i have yul search, a intense visual search in the hope of picking something up because what we are dealing with with the visual search is an area of search which has been adapted consistent with the amount of oceanic drift that has been at play during the period. okay. so that's the first point. the second point is, the only thing we have got at the moment in terms of this location here is the detection of the transmissions. we have no idea at this stage what is under the water. of course, as soon as we finish the towed pinger locater work, hopefully we will get more transmissions to better refine the point on the ocean floor where the transmissions are
emanating from. once we have that, and there's probably no more hope of picking up anymore transmissions, we will put the autonomous underwater vehicle down to have a look. now, hopefully with a lot of transmissions, we'll have a tight, small area, and hopefully in a matter of days we will be able to find something on the bottom that might confirm that this is the last resting place of mh-370. i stress -- and i can't stress enough -- the families have to be considered when you report on awl of this. because they want a bit of certainty. we don't get certainty until we have a visual sighting of the wreckage. that will probably come with the work the autonomous vehicle does. the other thing about the bottom there, i'm informed by experts,
that there's a lot of silt down there. that could complicate the search because the silt on the bottom of the ocean can be very thick and things disappear in to it and it makes a visual search underwater very difficult. >> on monday, you thought there was possibly two pingers. to you think you are dealing with two or one device at this point? >> well, we have the evidence. the assessment was made that we thought there might be two pingers there. this has not been confirmed in further detections that we picked up. now, whether that's because, you know one ping er has run out of battery life and there's one running, or we just haven't got close to it, i don't know. but the fact of the matter is we haven't had any further evidence of two pingers going off in the
same area or at the same time. >> isn't it curious that two pingers, the frequency to be 3.3 on both of them? >> well, i won't get in to that because basically the analysis on that i don't think has revealed anything unusual. i might ask mr. levy if he has any information on that. no. okay. >> do you plan to move more pinger locate canners in the area to cover more territory? >> no, we don't. because as i have said previously, one of the important things about this sort of search is the need for complete, completely noiseless environment. "ocean shield" is minimizing all of its systems and really the only thing that is operating are the two thrusters at the back of the vessel.
everything else is turned off. so that we have the best search environment possible. if you have other ships there, you would end up with a very noisy environment and you wouldn't get the sort of search that we have at the moment. i mean, we are looking at this stage for transmissions that are probably weaker than they would have been early on because the batteries of both devices are past their use by date, and they were very shortly found. i think we are very fortunate, in fact, to get some transmissions on day 33. just one person. >> is it possible you could release a section of the audio recording so we can hear it? >> we'll look at that. i don't see why not. >> how many detections do you
think the "ocean shield" needs to refine the location. you already have four detections and you say you need more detections to refine the location and second, do you have more information regarding the detection we received about the chinese ship and do you think it is a reliable one? >> in terms of "ocean shield," the more detections we get, the better. the other thing that comes in to it is the quality of the transmission and the detection. what we are after is the best return that we can get. by triening a la triangulating data we will come up with a more sharply defined, much smaller search area underwater. bear in mind, that the time
spent on the surface cover six times more area than any given time than we will be able to do when we go under water. with the batteries likely to fade or fail very shortly, we need to get as much positional data as we can so that we can define a very small search area. bear in mind, with the air france disaster several years ago, it took them 20 days. they had a very good -- they thought they had a good fix and it took the underwater vehicle 20 days to get to the wreckage. yes. >>. [ inaudible ] is it worthwhile to send a manned submarine to have a look at what's down there? have you considered that?
>> well, i'm not running the search. we've got -- we've got the australian maritime safety authority running and coordinating the operational search. of course the defense force providing a lot of the assets, along with many other nations. there's a lot of military assets out there at the moment. of course there is one submarine. i might just get commodore levy to comment on that particular aspect of your question. >> the short answer is, the utility of submarines has been evaluated and it was when we first started to commence the search. it you determined that they would not, the submarine would not be optimized for this particular search. what we do have today is royal australian aircraft p-3 aircraft deploying in the field.
that provides more sensors in the vicinity of ocean shield without having a ship there to pro-reduce the background noise. some very good work that was only started after the mh-370 aircraft was lost, very good work by the australian defense work, in particular the air force have modified the acoustic processor to pick up the 37.5 kilohertz frequency. we expect anytime now the aircraft, the first aircraft, the ocean shield will coordinate to lay a sonar buoy. it is a package parachuted out of the aircraft, floats on the surface of the ocean and will deploy a hydrophone, 1,000 feet below the surface of the ocean and it has a radio that transmits the data back to the aircraft. hp-3 is capable of carrying 30 on each mission and that will provide a range of sensors, a number of sensors, 1,000 feet
below the surface. the towed pinger locater is deeper than that. it provides a range of sensors 1,000 feet down. the other point i would make is the silt cover on the bottom as well as potentially hiding debris. now we have an analysis that shows there is silt down there. that is an absorbing material. so we are at risk of a lot of the sound energy being absorbed by the silt rather than if it was a rock seabed. a lot of that would be reflected to the surface or towards the surface. the fact there is silt there also hindered to a certain extent the sound provocation. >> have you analyzed the signal.
[ inaudible ] >> i understand there's been no further detections in the area where the chinese vessel assisted by hms echo, which is an oceanographic vessel from the royal navy. i believe they haven't made any further detections. in terms of the analysis of the signals that it picked up, i'll come back to you on that. i'm not sure where we are at with that. i haven't had any advice that the analysis is complete at this stage. >> when you began this search and looking at the odds, the size of the ocean, the size of the search area, what do you think the chances are that you would make an announcement like this today? >> well, i would say very
quickly caution again what we are picking up is a great lead. we have to caution before we say this is the final resting place. there's still a ways to go. if you asked me when i arrived last sunday night, i would have been probably more pessimistic than i am now. i'm now optimistic we will find the aircraft, or what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant future, but we haven't found it yet because this is a very challenging business. we're relying on transmissions that have come and gone.
i just like to have that hard evidence, a photograph evidence that there's pieces of aircraft down there to know that actually this is the final resting place of mh-370. >> based on this diagram, will -- >> you can see the scale on the bottom. the scale on the bottom is on the left at 01020 kilometers. you can see it is a relatively small area. again, i -- >> narrowed it down to 25 kilometers. >> i'm confident that we have an area there which provides a promising area to exploit. note the satellite hand shake
calculation and ping seven. that's another source of evidence. so i think that we're looking in the right area. but i'm not prepared to say, to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage. >> are you being cautious for the families and the sake of precision, but we are looking at a case where we have frequencies, which are consistent with a black box. that's been verified by the black box. by acoustic analysis. they have been consistent, they have been sustain td and they are where the science suggests the plane is. >> yep. >> can you give a percentage, without holding you to it, 80%, 90%. i understand you have to express caution but how confident are you? >> i have confidence we're in the right area. but i'm not going to give the
final confirmation until somebody has seen wreckage. okay. i'm not prepared to go this percentage or that percentage. >> you said you were to wait to get more transitions from "ocean shield." for how many days do you want to keep the pinger locater working? >> the reason we want to do that is that there's no second chances. it looks like the signals we have picked up recently have been much weaker than the original signals we picked up. the batteries are starting to fade and as a consequence the signal is becoming weaker. we need to, as we say in
australia, make hay while the sun shines. we need to get all of the data we can. by getting more data, we will be able to compress this area in to a much smaller area where we do the very difficult and challenging search with the autonomous underwater vehicle. bear in mind, we heard about the silt. the silt on the bottom will complicate that search. sometimes silt can be, you know, tens of meters thick. it's a very difficult environment. so, you know, the more effort we put in to location of where the transmission is coming from, the more certainty we will have that we will find something on the bottom of the ocean.
>> what are they doing in the search area? >> what we are doing, we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket. we are continuing with all of the activities. we are continuing to look where 01 is and we are also doing a much more intense visual search. where the track spacing f you understand that. what an aircraft does. it's assigned to an area to search and then it will design a pattern with small spacing and it will cover the area very extensively and very intensively. that's what is happening now.
that's what is happening in the wreckage in the area here would have moved with the ocean drift, the currents and waves and so on we are now searching the area where after 33 days the scientists, the analysts assess where the wreckage might be now. we hope we will ools also find something on the surface of the ocean that confirms that the aircraft basically entered the water at this location.submarin limitation in how deep they can
dive. that's a classified area. all nations they don't declare how deep their submarines can go. the environment down here is around, we said previously 4500 meters. so what we're talking about, specialists underwater, autonomous vehicles and specialists other vehicles that could be used for recovery. so this is the domain in which you use those sorts of vehicles. so from here we will be looking further downstream for other vehicles that might be able to operate in the environment, if we find, if we find obviously the aircraft. >> mr. houston -- >> sorry. just one at a time. you first and then you. >> the difference between the points on the map is about 25
meters maximum. in the class we were told it could only pick up sounds a mile away from the black box. are you reassessing of how the sounds travel underwater at this point because you are detecting things that are much further apart. >> again, you heard the commodore say the bottom is a silt bottom. that absorbs sound. funny things happen depending on temperature, temperature layer answer so on and so forth. the characteristics of the water, the characteristics of the ocean floor all come in to play here. the other thing is that in terms of this area the ocean shield went there on the 5th of april.
it is pulling the towed pinger locater since then. that's four or five days. it has searched that area continuously through that period of time. this is what we picked up at the moment. you'll note that the most recent detections are all down in the southern part of the area. >> on tuesday, the two signal were acquired. >> okay. >> it was around 1,000 matters above the seabed, 3,500 deployed. >> is that -- experts say that is consistent with what happened -- [ inaudible ]
>> it is quite possible that there's currents down there which could have disturbed the debre and also as it was falling from the surface it would have dispersed over a large area, as well. it has been said we know more about the surface of the moon than the seabed of the ocean floor. that's probably right. we don't have accurate sampling of the currents in that particular area. the indication we have that silt is on the seabed is taken from samples taken some years ago and 130 miles away from the current position. they are in a database that we can access but gives an understanding of how little topography we have of the seabed. the concept of water movements an flows down there is one we have to take in to account.
>> the families must take encouragement from what you have announced today. but as you said that confirmation must be visual from the autonomous sub. when is your understanding of when the sub could go down? do you have a time frame in mind, five to ten, 20 days. >> you mean the autonomous underwater vehicle? >> yes. >> we will send it down when we have exhaust ed the possibilities in terms of the surface search. this is a personal opinion. i don't think that time is very far away at all because i think the last signal we got was a very weak signal. if we continue to get signals, though, we will continue to search. for the simple reason that the
underwater vehicle it operates at walking pace. okay. it has a relatively narrow swath and it takes days and days and days to cover even an area like this. in fact, this area you see here would take it we'd be talking in terms of weeks, not just days. so the more time we spend getting the locational data the better off we will be when we come to the underwater search. remember what i said in my brief. essentially, it takes six times longer to cover the same area with the underwater submersible as it does with towed pinger on the surface. >> how long will you wait from the last ping you receive, or the last signal you receive, which as you said you last
night, if you hear nothing more how many hours or days will you wait before deploying the autonomous vehicle? >> well with, i think those judgments have yet to be made. this is a very dynamic process. judgments are made on the basis of a lot of factors. and clearly we are not at that point yet. i can't give you any information at this time. i would imagine, though, it's not far away before we deploy something to go down and have a look. >> today? [ inaudible ] >> none of the debris we with found, thus far, has had a connection to mh-370.
but we are now in a search area, and we are working very intensely and we are hopeful, we are hopeful that we might find something that has a connection to the aircraft. so we'll just have to wait and see how that goes. if we find anything of significance, we'll obviously let the media know. >> have you already been over that before in a broader pattern? >> i think we have probably been over on a broader pattern, but we haven't done it the way we are doing it now. you may remember over the last week we have been covering areas of 220,000 kilometers, areas the size of island or one of the largest provinces in china.
we're now sending the same number of aircraft out to a search area which is much smaller. consequently we can do a much more intense, thorough search, visual search. before we were doing, if you like, an all sensor-type search, using radar and eyes, but what we are focus canned on right now is a i have yul search. visual range. i think the the range is two miles an i think that is visual search 101. we are searching 75,000 square kilometer cans. we keep going from nautical miles to kilometers.
>> given the debris that was previous you believe has nothing to do with mh-370. is there any chance the frequencies have nothing to do with the transmission devices you were looking for? you said they match up to the frequencies and you don't believe them to be anything natural but could they be something unrelated? >> we think -- well, we have had the analysis done. it's nothing natural. it comes from a manmade device. and it's consistent with the locater on a black box. that's why we are more confident than we were before, but we have to lay eyes on it.
one more question we are working. that's one of my roles to coordinate that. this week is very busy in perth because there's a big conference. that is true right now. we have thousands of people here at the moment. thousands of visitors. from the end of this week, we will have adequate accommodation to cater to the families and we will be keeping a very close eye on that. we are working very closely with the chinese ambassador and his staff, the malaysian high commissioner and hi staff, malaysian airlines and the west australian government, the city of perth and the city of free mantle to ensure that we can do everything possible to ensure the families are looked after and taken care of when they come to australia.
we want them to -- we know it's a very sad time for them. but when they come, they will be looked after. we are very know cussed on that. and i must say the west australian government, the federal government both see this as a very, very high priority. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> perhaps the most significant information we have heard in a very long time. air chief marshall angus houston saying a number of important things. he described the new confirmation of pings as a great lead. he said heed quote now optimistic we will find what's left of the aircraft in the not too distant future. he's not confirming the aircraft has been found, but they have -- the sounds they have now heard again are consistent with flight data recorders. he says, quote, they are stable, distinct, clear signals that have been detected. the transmission is not of
natural origin, which eliminates that it could be a whale or something natural on the seabed. they said it is a silty bottom of the ocean here in this area which has been complicating the sound, the transmission of sound. this is truly a significant evening. we are back with our panel. >> he didn't say they found the plane without saying it. >> it is as close as he will say without physical evidence. when he says i'm optimistic we will find the aircraft in the not too distant future. i believe we're searching in the right area, not of natural origin, electrical equipment, equipment with an -- being a military man he's not going to go that final step until he has physical evidence.
this is pretty much telling us he's got it. >> i agree. when the families are in consideration and that's what he is considering you can't give anything other than facts. they are handling this like a professional investigation now opposed to earlier on when announcements were coming out all over the place. this guy knows what he is doing and taking control of the investigation and being considerate of the families and very well done. >> the fact that new pings were heard is clearly a huge, huge step forward. >> i you confident they were going to reacquire it. i kept that to to myself. you could see the marshall had a more relaxed demeanor than i have seen him before. that would be confidence as far as i'm concerned. the interesting thing, earlier in his conversation, he indicated not only did they have the pings from the flight data recorder opposed to the cockpit voice recorder. >> interesting.
mary? >> same thing. i think that angus houston and the team there, they certainly expressed that they thought they had the pingers, they had the black box, they had the right site. it was all right there. they didn't put the crowning achievement on it. they didn't say we have the plane but i think everybody reads between the lines that they are saying that and so very important. i concur that they should use those black boxes and pingers, as long as they last. they might be in their final dying pulses, but it would simplify the length of the search because this is the first step in a long process. >> miles o'brien, angus houston also saying the autonomous underwater vehicles will not be sent down until they have exhausted all possibilities in the search on the surface both for debris on the surface and for the pingers. houston also said that he did not anticipate that would be very far off. because of the weakening -- what
he believes is the weakening of the signal that they are likely to go to those autonomous underwater vehicles relatively shortly. >> i think as the confident dense grows that this is grows that this is the location and more returns from the pingers, you can say with certainty when you stop hearing them what happened. where's we didn't know if it you a fluke before or not. with four or five and if we get to six and seven and they get less and less you can say with certainty the batteries are died. let's get the auv in the water and get busy with that. i'm flabbergasted, not a single shred of debris has been found and they are on the pingers quite evidently. i'd like to know what assets in the nonpublic realm, the secret realm were used to pinpoint this location. this can't be just luck. >> do you believe there's more information they are not giving out? >> i think they have a higher level of credibility on the
information. i think they have one level deeper. they have got the experts who know this backwards basically. this is my supposition, but the experts are saying this is it but he's the last level of caution. you don't come out and do a press conference and make the sort of comments -- you quoted it, anderson. we will find the aircraft in the not too distant future. they know where that plane is now. >> david gallo, you coled the search for air france flight 447. so much has been made that it took two years to get the black box up but as you and i have talked the last several weeks a lot of time was eaten up by red tape, getting approvals to get to the site. once you are out there and have an idea where the wreckage is, i mean, when you look at the conditions under the water even with the silt, how confident are you they will be able to find the black boxes and in a relatively short order? >> i'm confident they can find
the black boxes. i have no doubt about that. i'm not saying it is easy. that's a fairly tricky topographic area, on the north side of an undersea plateau that is about two miles high off the sea floor and the north side might have canyons, gullies and all sorts of stuff. it won't be easy but can still help on a survey. last thing you want are boulder and rocks scattered around on the sea floor. if silt is covering the sea floor it may help the sonar source. >> if you are just joining us a significant press conference from angus houston. coming as close as possible to saying they have, with a lot of confidence very close to finding this aircraft underneath the water. they said they will not confirm anything until they have a visual on wreckage. they obviously want to continue to search for debris, as well,
on the surface of the water. none of which they have found thus far. they point out again, this is the significant part. the transmissions they have heard are not of natural origin. they are consistent with -- they are from man made objects and consistent with the flight data recorders. a lot more to talk about. we'll be right back. aflac. ♪ aflac, aflac, aflac! ♪ [ both sigh ] ♪ ugh! ♪ you told me he was good, dude. yeah he stinks at golf. but he was great at getting my claim paid fast. how fast? mine got paid in 4 days. wow. that's awesome. is that legal? big fat no. [ male announcer ] find out how fast aflac can pay you at aflac.com. [ male announcer ] find out how fast aflac can pay you
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i can now tell you that "ocean shield" has been able to reacquire the signals on two more occasions. late yesterday afternoon and late last night perth time. >> confirming based on their analysis that those are not of natural origin, the sounds are not of natural origin. they are consistent with a flight data recorder. a great lead angus houston has called it. he said he is optimistic we will find what is left of the aircraft in the not too distant fuchlt saying a week ago he was not that optimistic but now he is saying this is a great lead. i believe we have searching in the right area, he went on to say a short time ago. i want to bring back our panel. david gallo, angus houston is saying now it's just probably not far off before they actually deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle to go down once they
have exhausted the possibilities of finding more sound on the surface of the water. how will that work? what is that process? can you tell us? >> well, they are going to have to -- well, you have to retrieve the ppl on the end of the cable and then launch and recover using a crane. a torpedo-shaped object and means setting up a navigational grid on the bottom but a you can't use gps. the rhythm of the ship will change to the op-sec to allow them to launch and recover the vehicle. so a totally different ball game for the vessel. >> how does the autonomous vehicle work? is it like mowing the lawn, it just goes along a grid back and forth? >> yeah. they will tell it what grid they want it to run and then they will launch it off. it will go to the bottom and take an hour or two to get down to the bottom and then it will start to move along its path. every time it runs from north to south, the next time it comes
back, it will move over 100 yards or something like that and come back on the next track. like cutting the grass, you want to overlap every path so you don't miss any spots. >> is it sending imagery back in realtime? >> sadly, no. that's world of sonar "discover >> what sort of data is it? >> it is images? is it sonar? what is it? >> it is images made with sound and like an ultrasound looking at a baby's ultrasound. it is made with sound on the sea floor. anything on or above the sea floor that contrasts with the background will show up on that. a lot of this will depend not just on the technology but on
the operators of the system. if you have a very good sonar operator they will be able to pick out something natural against something man made against natural background, like this is a plane against a land slope. >> they talked in the press conference about the silt on the sea floor kauing a problem in terms of the transmission of problem. would this cause problem in terms of getting sonar images. >> nothing sonar "discovergraph. any kind of coding, volcanic rock is tough, reflectings sound easily. it is'cy to get lost in the rubble. a little sediment would be good. i don't think it will affect the sound much at all. >> everyone stay with us. we want the take another break. we will return at the top of the
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times" reported several trump aides had repeated contacts with russian intelligence in the year run-up before the election. they cite electronic intercepts. just today a question along those same lines was asked of sean spicer at the briefing. >> back in january, the president said that nobody in his campaign had been in touch with the russians. now, today, can you still say definitively that nobody on the trump campaign, not even general flynn, had any contact with the russians before the election? >> my understanding is that what general flynn has now expressed is that during the transition period -- well, we were very clear that during the transition period he did speak with the ambassador -- >>'m talking about during the campaign. >> there is nothing that would conclude to me that anything has changed with respect to that time period. >> a quick timeline with how we got here. december 29, the obama administration reveals new sanctions on russia. december 30. putin says russia will not retaliate.
that same time, that same day this tweet from then president-elect trump. great move on delay by vladimir putin. i always knew he was very smart. sometime after december 30th, communications between flynn and russia's ambassador are intercepted by u.s. intelligence officials. the white house is warned about flynn by the department of justice on january 26th of this year, and thanks to sean spicer, we know the president found out the same day. >> immediately after the department of justice notified the white house counsel of the situation, the white house counsel briefed the president and a small group of his senior advisers. >> from that date on, the question is, how long did it take for the erosion of trust to occur that led to flynn's resignation? that was the reason given today. on january 28th, michael flynn was in the room when the president called russian president vladimir putin. michael flynn came into the white house briefing room and
communicated for the administration to another nation state. >> iran is now feeling emboldened. as of today we are officially putting iran on notice. thank you. >> then just this past weekend, michael flynn was there as the president and japanese prime minister shinzo abe discussed what they would do to respond to a ballistic missile test by north korea. that was just 72 hours ago. so when did the erosion of trust between the president and michael flynn occur? let's bring out our panel members tonight, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon, jeremy bash is with us this evening. nbc's katy tur who covered the entire trump campaign from the start, and radio personality charlie sykes. good evening to you all. i'm going to begin with you, jeremy. to believe this story, any of it, all of it, you have to believe that flynn called the russian ambassador and said, in effect, when these new measures
come out, don't worry, we're going to have your back. and further, you have to believe that he was either acting on his own or with tacit approval. do we have that right? >> we have a united states that is completely at odds with anything we've seen in foreign relations, and that is a total u.s. capitulation to all of russia's natives. the second bit of context, brian, is that we have under way at this hour, not past tense but present tense, at this hour a russian operation to influence u.s. policy to do what i just described, to force america to do things it wouldn't ordinarily do. that intelligence operation is under way.
they were trying to get to the national security apparatus, including the national security adviser, and it worked. that's the whole thing. it worked in this case. our policy changed and they attempted to change it and it worked. and so -- that is the big question looming over all of this, which is why. what is it that caused our national security adviser and our president to do these things that are so completely at odds with american interests, and now tonight we have one of the missing pieces of the puzzle, which is possible cooperation discussion between the trump campaign and the russian government at the very time the russian government was trying to influence the campaign to favor donald trump. >> and jeremy malcolm nance was
people is, will those suffice or do we need a joint inquiry, a select committee or even an independent review? >> katy tur, before we swing over to you, i want to run what is now a critical bit of on-the-fly interview in the doorway of air force one, a doorway that separates a conference room and the cockpit where the president and first lady were. the president and first lady were on their way to mar-a-lago in midair and this question came up. >> general flynn had conversations with the russians before you were sworn in? >> i don't know. i haven't seen it. what report is that? >> they were reporting that you talk to the ambassador of russia before you were inaugerated about sanctions. >> i'll look at that. >> katy tur, what did people think when you were in the midst of covering the only campaign for president in our modern history that had russia as such a kind of sympathetic element? >> what did people or the general public think or trump supporters?
many of his aides seemed to have ties to russia in one way or another. paul manafort being one. it didn't make sense for donald trump to continue to be so cozy. nobody could quite figure out why he was doing so. and the campaign and the transition in the white house has never given an explanation that goes beyond, we think we need to reset relations. >> charlie, listen to tom freedman, one line from his column that went up tonight. "we need to know whom trump owes and who might own him and we need to know it now." how serious is all of this in your view one month into this administration? >> it's extraordinarily serious, because nothing adds up. as katy was saying, this whole love affair doesn't add up, this explanation for firing the general doesn't add up. so who made the decision not to tell mike pence? why did they sit on all of this? if, in fact, he had done and said nothing that was inappropriate, why, then, did he feel it necessary to lie to mike pence? if, in fact, he was executing exactly what the policy would be?
the cover story doesn't add up, this whole story and this relationship doesn't. here's the distinction. this is not just a matter of a scandal of somebody having an affair or something like that. this goes fundamentally to the foreign policy of the country. and i think that republicans on capitol hill need to look at this and ask themselves, do they actually want to investigate this, or do they want to appear that, in fact, they are slow walking and covering up something that may have fundamental significant to the country. >> katy, we learned today that vice president mike pence didn't learn until thursday, but other people knew. sean spicer said the white house concluded when this was briefed to them it wasn't a legal issue, and he said the president was proved instinctively correct. >> that it was a trust issue is what they're trying to make this out to be. i was speaking tonight with a senior white house source, and i
asked that person why the world vice president pence wasn't told about this sooner. and the source said it was attorney-client privilege. don mcgann only told the president because that's who he is sworn to, and the president didn't tell vp pence because this was a very close hold, because they were still investigating exactly what happened. there are a lot of questions surrounding that, though, because mike pence went on national television and vouched for general mike flynn, said he did not talk sanctions. there's also a lot of questions surrounding how in the world general flynn could forget about talking sanctions when there is a lot of questions about how much of the conversation, at least one, that he had with the russian ambassador was dedicated to talking sanctions. it's not something you forget, it is a breach of protocol. even this white house official told me this was something that they cannot understand why flynn would mislead the administration
about it, they cannot understand why it went on for so long. >> hey, jeremy, your former boss, leon panetta, who is not given to hyperbole, said something today that really got the attention of a lot of people. quote, i've never been so nervous in my lifetime about what may or may not happen in washington. i don't know whether this white house is capable of responding in a thoughtful or careful way should a crisis erupt. you can do hit and miss stuff over a period of time, but at some point i don't give a damn what your particular sense of change is about, you can't afford to have change become chaos. >> i talked to him and that is a mild way of how he is feeling. leon and carla panetta made their way from ellis island, raised their children.
he worked for nixon and came to congress as a democrat or for bill clinton as a white house chief of staff and budget director and then served as secretary of defense. this is a person who has dedicated his life to national security and bipartisanship, i should say. he believes that vet fabric of our government is tearing apart. the ability to protect our country is tearing apart, the ability for washington to function properly is tearing apart, and i think he's very, very worried about the tone being set by this administration and particularly about the deceit that is coming forward from the white house about this and other issues. >> a little bit of housekeeping there. we just showed a photo of former president trump sounding a lot different than candidate trump whenon it comes to leaks, we heard from katy, when "the 11th hour" continues.
the michael flynn resignation
>> this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. amazing how nothing is secret today when you talk about the internet. >> we love wikileaks. boy, they have really -- wikileaks. they have revealed a lot. >> that came out on wikileaks. >> we're back with our panel, jeremy, katy and charlie. jeremy, you and i haven't been around forever but we've been around long enough to be, i think, stunned as the weaponized nature of these leaks, the number of these leaks and where we can surmise they're coming from in the organization. not to impune any of your friends, but perhaps some of them from people you know, people who are in your contacts. some are motivated by patriotism, some by revengreveng it's not nice to take on career civil servants, and when they feel the home team is on fire or in danger, they will get it out through journalists. >> i don't know, brian. it's hard to speculate. i certainly wouldn't speculate that it's any people i know or people i've worked with. but look, i think there is a
broader issue here which is under normal circumstances, you're very concerned about leaks because they reveal intelligence sources and methods. you're less worried about them when they reveal sort of the overall conclusion or what people are looking at or investigating. and so i do take leaks seriously when they reveal sources and methods, but i think in this case, brian, we have a situation where the discussion in the press is really about what investigators are looking at, what the fbi has been probing, not how they've been probing it or how they've been collecting their information per se, except for some generalitiesgeneralitie important to note that without this coming forward, michael flynn would be in the white house without risk. what's worse? >> people in actual america are waiting for economics and jobs to come through.
in the interim, here is what we have to discuss on national media. have you ever seen a situation like this inside any white house, republican or democrat? >> no, because nobody ever has. what do they say about karma, karma is something or other? >> i can't repeat it. >> the president actually has a point when he talks about the flood of leaks. you actually have the intelligence community in this country in open resurrection of this president. there are fundamental issues here, but what we are seeing is also unprecedented. maybe it happened under nixon. but there is a flood of leaks. and this, by the way, it is like one shot across the bow after another to the whi house. we know what you did last summer, click. we know everything, and it's a drip, drip, drip. and you wonder how this is playing when they realize they've reached the end of spin, that the people who have this
information are not going to be intimidated by tweets. they're not going to back off, and they have -- who knows. they appear to be showing their hand that they have everything. >> katy, at a simple time when reagan was president and you weren't born -- >> i was born, excuse me. >> -- i had it up to my keester with leaks, and that was supposed to be shocking. we also have in this white house four or five different centers of power and that hasn't worked itself. >> there are so many centers of power. if you heard it told, there's the priebus-sean spicer-katie walsh faction, and there is kellyanne conway faction, and they're all working to take down the other and fight for the year of donald trump. not to mention the white house staffers who don't really have an allegiance and who are there just witnessing this for the first time. there is a lot of folks out there who are -- who have their own self-interests at play who also want to protect the west
wing in the way they believe the west wing should behave. i want to say something, though. it seems like when you talk about donald trump in leaks and talk about donald trump in coverage, everything is fine so long as it is favorable to him, period. and when it's not, then they are the opposition, they're the enemy. i found it interesting today that sean spicer kept bringing up charles krauthamer as a defense for the administration. when charles krauthamer was number one enemy for donald trump early on. when i brought him up and said what he called donald trump, called him a rodeo clown. he said, why would this guy say that about me when he can't even buy a pair of pants? >> thanks to our panel, thanks to our guests, jeremy bash, katy tur, charlie sykes. we'll have you all back in short order. coming back after the next break, the white house argues that the president is tough on russia. that's next when we continue.
comments about russia's leader. >> i've always felt, you know, fine about putin. i think that he is a strong leader, he's a powerful leader. >> i think i would have a very, very good relationship with putin, and i think i would have a very, very good relationship with russia. >> he's also a guy who annexed crimea, invaded ukraine, supports assad in syria, supports iran, is tryingo undeine ouinuence in key regions of the world, and according to our intelligence community, probably is the main suspect for the hacking of the dnc computers. >> nobody knows that for a fact, but do you want me to start naming some of the things that president obama does at the same time? >> but do you want to be complemented by that former kgb officer? >> i think when he calls me brilliant, i'll take the compliment. >> putin is a killer. >> we have a lot of killers. do you think our country is so innocent?
>> given those on the record comments from the president, it's a fair guess that many in the briefing room wanted to ask sean spicer a follow-up on that point today. cnn's jim acosta was the first one to get a chance. >> you said earlier in your comments that the president has been incredibly tough on russia. how is that possible? he has made comment after comment over the course of the campaign, the transition, where he defended vladimir putin. >> with respect to russia, i think the comments that ambassador hailey made at the u.n. were extremely forceful and very clear that until they -- >> that's hailey, not the president. >> she speaks for the president, i speak for the president. all of this administration, all the actions, all the words in this administration are on behalf of this president. i don't think we can be any clearer on the president's commitment. >> they all speak for the president except when they don't. remember what candidate trump wrote on twitter last may. don't believe the biased and
vegas casinos. places tens of thousands of dollars worth of bets in recent weeks. but why he did this, they simply have no clue. they know he has been acquiring weapons over the past several months. he has bought at gun stores in nevada, possibly outside the state as well. that part of nevada he is from, mesquite, is right on the border. so he could go to other states to try to buy weapons and have them sent back to the gun dealers in nevada 20 do it legally. but the big question here is how did he acquire automatic weapons. you've heard the sounds on the videos of these rapid shots. machine guns are illegal in the u.s. but it's possible to buy conventional semiautomatic weapons, meaning they fire every time you pull the trigger, but just one round and convert them. but that conversion process can make the weapons illegal. so the authorities are trying to figure out how he managed to get
his hands on these automatic weapons. he had some of those in the room. he had sniper rifles with scopes. so he clearly intended to have a great deal of firepower. they say when he checked into the hotel last thursday, he had all this arsenal with him in ten suitcases. so ten pieces of baggage. so nobody would have seen obviously that he was carrying in weapons to the hotel, chris. and they say that while he was there thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, and then into today, he didn't -- he didn't have them out in plain view that the hotel housekeeping staff had been in and out of his room and never noticed anything out of line. >> well, that's horrific. what about his father being in the ten most wanted list? what do you make of that? i don't believe in sort of inherited psychopathy. but what do you make of it? >> well, it's certainly something that they want to look
at. his father, benjamin hoskins paddock was arrested for robbing banks in phoenix in 1960, and then in 1968, while he was serving a 20-year sentence for the conviction on that, he scaped. that's what you're looking at now is his wanted poster from the fbi back in '68. then they described him on that poster, chris, down there at the bottom wrun it says caution as somebody who is diagnosed as psychopathic and has suicidal tendencies. and whether it means anything or not, after he -- escaped -- rather, after he robbed the bank in phoenix, he was arrested in las vegas. >> wow. >> so the paddocks have some connection to las vegas. they've been in and out of that area. they lived in arizona and nevada. so this is a part of the country that he is comfortable with. but what the father's background has anything to do with his current frame of mind, we just have no way of knowing.
because, chris, none of the usual indicators here, none of the electronic breadcrumbs seem to be in place. no social media. no note left behind. no at this point obvious internet conversations that we know of. none of these little indicators we tend to have found by this many hours after these past shootings. >> wow. great reporting, pete. we're going find out more as the days go on i'm sure. i'm joined right now by mick akers, a report were "the las vegas sun." that must be something of a lead that the father was on the most wanted list and was listed in the most wanted poster as psychopathic. >> definitely. although he has no background, really. it just adds a little something there. >> what do you know right now about this witnesses? what witnesses do we have on the 32nd floor where he was shooting from? >> yeah, i spoke with one gentleman from atlanta. he said he was about five rooms
away. he was asleep. between 10:00 and 10:15, he was awoken by hundreds of rounds of shots. he could smell the gunpowder. he immediately called the front desk. they said they're aware of an active shooter situation and to remain in his room. he said he hit the ground and waited it out. eventually metro police came up and escorteded him out of his room and down the 32 floors. >> let's get down the floors to the concert area. what do you know you can tell us about the casualty in this random 1200 feet away of a machine gunning of the crowd where he is just aiming the gun into the crowd and it's like a horrible lottery for those people. >> yeah. it just seemed like he was kind of playing a game. he would wait for them to get up and then start shooting. and once they would hit the ground, he would stop and then they would get up and he would start shooting again. a sister was 30-year-old and he was 20.
every time they would jump, she would jump on him. he had a longer life to live and more aspirations. she would gladly take the bullet for him. >> the shooter had some tripods. he also had a scope. you're telling me that he was a sniper. he could actually shoot personal targets from that distance? >> i'm not sure if he was able to do that. i know he was shooting at will. so i'm sure the 22,000 people there in attendance, it wasn't that hard for him to hit people even from that distance. >> thank you so much, mick akers for joining us. i'm joined now by brian hopkins. sea musician who was at l.a. night's concert. thank you. shortly after the shooting started hopkins and others ran for cover, eventually hiding in a large freeze attorney concert grounds. brian, tell us about your experience last night. >> it was -- it was kind of crazy. because when it happened, i wasn't sure what was going on. and we were right in front near the front of the stage.
and i heard bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. and people started rung. i grabbed a couple of girls right in front of me and my best friend, took off and got trampled. he got up and start eed running. and i took these people around the back side. i was backstage so i knew how to get there. and i ran down a wall, down the wall. and you could just hear bang bang bang bang bang happening. and you could hear it banging off the rooftop behind me and hitting around us. so i -- i don't know how -- i remember there was an opening where the entrance was to the right. and we ran into a fence. and i knew i could get over, but i couldn't get all the people that were screaming over. so i see this cooler. and when i opened it up, one of my friends was inside. and we just started throwing
people inside. it was about five feet off the ground. it was an actual freezer. and we locked ourselves in there. and we could hear -- we could hear the firing. and it was so cold inside. and the two young ladies that i was helping, they were amazing because they were calming down the one person and the guy who was throwing his fingers in front of the camera was banging on the walls. and we were trying to calm him down. and then i got up to open up the door. and there was more firing. so we shut the door. and i looked at my friend across the way. and i said everything is going to be okay. and he shook his head, like it's not. so we waited a couple of minutes. and i thought to myself, we're not going to die in here. and so i opened up -- he got up with me. we opened up the door. and someone had put a ramp up along the fence. and one guy jumped out. another guy jumps. and i asked the guy, the second guy to wait.
and i jumped down and i started helping the ladies get up over the fence until everyone was just trying to get over. and we were helping until the last two. and they were the two that i helped -- they stayed with me. and i couldn't get them over. so i turned to ron. and a police officer runs at me and screams "this way, this way." and i remember he is sweating and was just shaken up. but as soon as i get past him, he starts running to where all the noise is going for, all the bad is happening. he runs to it. and i'll never forget it. because then we were running down, and there was a body and body and another body. and the girls start to panic. and one of them started crying and wanted to call her dad. and i said keep running. and then we see a gentleman with a hole in his belly. and his friends trying to bring him to life.
and i started shaking, but it was keep moving, keep moving. and we run across the street. and there are people barricaded behind a bar. and the guy in the passenger seat was shot. and soy just told everybody run to the dark. just run. and people were following me. and we ran as far as we could run. but it still wasn't out of reach. it was like 50 yards. and two gentlemen on another side pull a gate so we can get me through and i could pull the gate open so everyone could get through this gate with us. and start running to hooters. it was terrifying and i don't -- i remember being calm during the whole thing. and as soon as i got home, i broke down. because i don't -- i should have -- part of me like oh, that fence, i can over that fence and i can get out of here. now and i ended up jumping in a cooler with everybody to try to keep them calm. but i didn't know if there were
shooters running around shooting and trying to get people quiet. i had no idea. and i lost my best friend. and i didn't know where he was. so i just stayed with these people. >> sir, i don't know you, but you have a good heart and you have great instincts for saving people. thank you so much, bryan hopkins for that incredible narration of the horror last night. >> thank you. >> joining us right now the nevada congresswoman adena titus. i've been watching. i hear automatic weaponry. i heard a machine gun. and i heard it relentless. it's a lot of clips, a lot of bananas. just kept firing and firing and firing. this guy goes into a hotel room with over a dozen weapons. what does it tell you about the state of las vegas and the law in las vegas? what should it be? what have we got here? >> well, i have to commend law enforcement here in las vegas, along with first responders and with the private security at mandalay bay. i don't know how you could have prevented this. they are looking at now las vegas being more of a hard
target than a soft target to see how we can improve security. but if you look at what all they did, they saved lives. as you heard mr. hopkins saying, running into the area that was full of people who were being harmed. >> well, what do you make of the elements at work here? i don't want to make this into a night of crusade on a night of horror where we should just sort of grieve and accept reality for a while. this guy zbees a hotel with weapons and tripods and scopes, everything with a clear intention to use them. he wasn't going to carry them home with him. is there anything we can do about stopping the act, this kind of act? >> well, you've got to remember, these were all in suitcases. he was staying for several days. he was in a sweet. the housekeeping staff had been in and out and not seen anything out of the way because nothing was visible. what do you do to check people's suitcases when you come in? that's something to look at. but i can tell you, we don't
want to make it political on this day of mourning, as you said. our office is trying to be of service and of solace. but have i stood for one too many times for a moment of silence on the floor of the house. >> i just wonder by picking up at least suitcases with guns in them, i would notice they were extra heavy. anyway, thank you. i like your patience with us tonight and your judgment. we'll get to this debate later. u.s. congresswoman dina titus of las vegas. still ahead, new details about the gunman himself, who he was, and what we know about his motive. boy, that's the question of the night, motive for last night's horror. those people were all alive this time yesterday. in fact, this time they were all alive and never expected this horror. they were going out to a concert. and that guy ended their lives. this one guy did it. we've got to find out why. our coverage continues after this.
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we're learning more about the suspect in last night's mass shooting. 64-year-old stephen craig paddock had been gambling significant amounts of money at las vegas's casinos over the past few weeks. today our nbc station in orlando caught up with the suspect's brother. here is what he said. >> our condolences to everyone. we just don't understand. it's like i said, an asteroid just fell out of the sky, and we have no reason, rhyme, rationale, excuse. there is just nothing. i mean, he has no criminal record. he has nothing, nothing, nothing. >> nbc news correspondent katie bank joins us from mesquite, nevada near the suspect's home. katie, thank you. what can we find out from his house? >> well, chris, we are actually in his community, which is a sleepy retirement community in
the desert. it's about 80 miles from las vegas. this is an upscale neighborhood where people largely come to relax. that's where his brother thought he was come to do when stephen paddock moved in here in 2015. what we have witnessed today is basically police executing a search warrant on his home, looking for any type of evidence, any time of clue that could solve the mystery behind the motive. why did he do it? what was the motivation? and what lies in that house that could potentially solve that for them. they have been in there throughout the day, trying to find anything that would give them those answers. late this afternoon, they finally wrapped up. and when they did come out, we learn they'd had left with 18 firearms, several thousand rounds of ammunition and explosive devices, among other things. they weren't giving us exact details on the other items that were taken out. we imagine they did some forensics on his computers, any type of communication that was on devices in that home. but we are told they have completed the execution of that
search warrant. and now they're going sift through that evidence and see if there is a motive in there somewhere. chris? >> you mean 18 weapons in addition to that almost that amount in the hotel room? is that right? >> correct. and we have also learned independently -- that is correct. we also learned independently that paddock bought several firearms from a gun store just two miles down the road from us here. the store owner told us the background checks were completed when he purchased those firearms, and he didn't see anything in paddock that would strike him as unfit to own a gun. >> well, they are ar-15s. thank you, cattie beck in mesqui mesquite, nevada. a gunman callously opened fire on thousands of people at a country music festival. in the aftermath, the big question is why did this guy do it. >> do you have any kind of motives we're looking at? >> no, ma'am. i can't get into the mind of a psychopath at this point. >> this is a classic wmd.
this is a weapon in a man of mass destruction. >> this is a crazed lunatic full of hate. we don't know much about his background. >> well, statistics we're told show the vegas gunman is 64 years old, was twice the age of the average mass shooter, whatever good that tells us. in interviews with his brother eric said that his brother was not a normal guy and frequently played high stakes video poker. we're getting kind of a disconnect there. not a normal guy and never been in any trouble. we'll see how that fixes together. i'm joined by clint van zandt, former fbi agent and msnbc contributor. clint and candice, what do you make of the combined accounts from the brother? one, sea law-abiding guy and never broke any rules, but he is not quite normal. what? how does that sound to you? >> well, to me, this guy is really an anomaly. so far we don't have any of the
indicators that we see in the past. we don't see money. we don't see health issues. we don't know about girlfriends. we know he is older than the average age. we know he lived in a retirement where he should have been drinking beer and watching baseball instead of accumulating 35 weapons. and ammonium nitrate, all you have to do is mix fuel oil and you have oklahoma city. whether this is two personalities, the one he showed his family and the rest of the world and one he kept hidden, that's still something we have to learn. >> candice, what do you make of the father? the father being on the most wanted list and described in the wanted posters as psychotic? >> well, he was described as psychopathic, which is different. basically, it's a personality disorder where someone just lax empathy. they never feel guilt or remorse for anything they do, which makes it easy for them to commit crimes and become a criminal. it's my understanding the father tried to run down a cop, which
is why he was on the ten most wanted list. >> i see. >> it does make me wonder. that happened in 1968. and offender, the shooter in las vegas was i think born in 1954-'55, what his home life was like. he is being raised by a criminal. we don't know all that much yet. in regards to the brother's contrary statements, chris, it's rare for families to come forward after something like this and say i knew something like this was going to happen. even if they did. >> boy, that's intelligent. let me get back to clint on that. what do you think? it sounds right to me. you don't want to incriminate yourself by saying i knew the guy was heading for trouble. >> well, you know, ted kaczynski's brother raised his hand and said i think there is a problem with my brother. when i was an fbi agent, i sought his father. his father was top ten most wanted fugitive.
and we were looking for guy in the 70s. when i heard that name, there was a distant bell. but again, i don't know that -- you made the comment earlier. i don't know if there is a connection there. we don't know how much influence the father had over him there is a lot of things, chris there is so much we don't know and so much we need to know. we got three things. we got a deal with the psychology of shooters, how to understand their motivation and get in front of them instead of behind them. we have to limit their access to guns. and we have to develop technology that's going help law enforcement react faster. it took an hour and five minutes. and the cops did the very best job the world can do. it still took them an hour and five minutes. what, for example, if they had a remote controlled plane, a little hand-held robol that you throw up in the air. it goes up to the 32nd floor and it says gee, there the guy is. we need to get ahead of these guys. >> yeah. >> in technology, in thinking and psychology. we can't be behind them all this
time. >> candice, what do you make of the -- i'm not calling this guy mcgyver or anything like that to make light of it. but he did have the capacity to go out and get the magazines. he had all the firepower. heed that scope. he had the tripod. he knew how to break open a window. he knew hotels don't have open windows anymore. office buildings don't either. he seemed to have the whole thing scoped out intelligently. and if he wanted to commit mass mayhem, he did it. so in terms of his effectiveness, does that tell you anything about his psychology, that he has a competence that is frightening to go with his bad psychology? >> well, it tells me something about his state of mind. for example, let's compare him to james holmes, the young colorado -- university of colorado student that went into the heater in aurore rachet. >> right. >> it turns out he was seriously mentally ill, as bad as it gets, psychotic, hearing voices,
delusional. and he did a lot of planning as well. but it certainly wasn't on the level that the las vegas shooter's planning was. one of the things that strikes me about what happened in las vegas is that this person, for 72 hours at least was able to plan things out, not apparently jump ahead. maybe he was waiting for sunday night because that was the big event. that was the end of the concert. the headliner was playing. that tells me he probably was not hearing voices, was not delusional. >> yeah. >> there is a famous or a notorious shooting back the '60s at the university of texas. charles whitman went up to the clock tower, and one by one killed 13 people before he was killed bay cop. and it turns out the autopsy revealed that he had an undiagnosed brain tumor. things like to, brain tumor, we know what chronic encephalopathy
can do. there may be something turn up in his physical and mental health that will help explain this madness. >> back then it was rarity, candice. now it's not anymore. thank you. mass shooting. clint van zandt, as always, thank you, sir, candice delong. coming up, law enforcement is being credited with saving many lives last night. we're going look at the police work that went into finding the shooter. our coverage continues after this. [bullfighting music] [burke] billy-goat ruffians. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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welcome back to "hardball." our coverage of the deadly shooting in las vegas last night. with the las vegas metropolitan police were quick to mobilize amid reports of the shoot iing last night. the challenge was determining exactly where the shots were coming from. a police scanner captured the response among law enforcement officials as they tried to locate the shooter. >> coming from upstairs in the mandalay bay. upstairs in the mandalay bay, halfway up. i've seen the shots coming from mandalay bay. halfway up. >> we have an active shooter. we have an active shooter inside. >> i'm going to form a strike team. mandalay bay and the boulevard. i need five officers on me. >> be advised. it is automatic fire, fully automatic fire from an elevated position. take cover. >> fully automatic fire. everyone is saying that now. law enforcement made their way to the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay resort, closing in on the room where gunman stephen
paddock had massacred his victims from over a thousand feet away. let's listen to the moment they breached the door with explosives. >> we're going to sit on the suspect's door. i need everybody in the hallway to be aware of it and to get back. we need to pop this and see if we get any type of response from this guy. >> on the 32nd floor, explosive breach. all units move back. >> breach, breach, breach. >> that was the explosion opening the door on the 32nd floor to where the shooter was shooting from. according to sheriff joseph lombardo, they believe he killed himself before the room was breached. he said 15 guns were found inside and chemicals commonly used in explosives were found in his car. 18 additional firearms were also found at his home in mesquite. i'm joined by shawn henry, former executive assistant of the fbi, and david shepherd, served 24 years in the fbi. he is the former executive director of security for the
venetian resort hotel and casino. darrin, you start. i want to talk about the problem with these very high-rise hotels and the difficult in this case of locating the shooterment your thoughts. >> well, of course it's a difficult and arduous task when you have a high-rise. but one of the things that alerted law enforcement to the position of the suspect was the smoke detector. he shot -- he fired so many rounds while he was in the room on the 32nd floor, the smoke detectors ignited. and that's what triggered the response to the 32nd floor. but whenever you're trying to pursue a suspect in the high-rise, and take into consideration a place like new york city, it's always a very arduous task. oftentimes you may not want to use the elevators. you may want to use the stairs to go up. but once again, you need to be in great shape to get up 32 flights of stairs to encounter that assailant in that room. >> why wouldn't you want to use the elevator? >> because a host of things. the assailant can actually stop the elevator himself.
and you don't want something like that to occur. take into consideration when ever there is a fire, you never use the elevator. fear of a malfunction with that elevator. and the same premise holds true with law enforcement responding to an assailant in a place like this. >> shawn henry, i want to ask you about this use of the fact that a smoke alarm was the indicator. which was the shooter's room. and that means it seems to me, if you want to follow that out, if they didn't have the smoke alarm, he would have kept shooting because they wouldn't have known where to find the guy for a while. >> i think they eventually would have found him. >> eventually. >> there were some reports from some of the neighboring guests about loud noises that were coming out. the officers that were out in the venue who were looking up and were reporting where they were seeing bright lights. and then from there, you count up and you count over. and you can start to triangulate on what the shooter's position was. i mean law enforcement in this case, chris, were very, very active in saving people, getting them off to a safe place, as
well as identifying where the shooter was. so that tactical team could get up, make that explosive breach, get into that room, and to eliminate or neutralize the threat. >> what do you make of a guy -- he obviously modified his semiautomatic. he turned into it a machine gun, by all the reports you. ucan hear the rat-tat-tat. he knew he could shoot four football fields away. four football fields away with some accuracy. was that the elevation that he wanted? he got the right room he wanted on the corner, which was the closest to the concert area. so much thought and calculation went into this thing, it seems to me. your thoughts. >> he absolutely had a strategic position. and the elevation provided him with that distinct advantage. i don't think there is anything to him in terms of marksmanship. i think he was trying to put as many rounds possible down range to try and inflict as much harm
as he could. those .223 rounds travel at a high velocity, and they do travel for a very long distance. i think he was trying to put as much lead down into that space to try and kill as many people as possible. and he certainly did that, chris. >> david, tell us about vegas and how this fits with your experience throughout with security for these hotels. because here you got protect people from somebody in the hotel. this isn't the usual guy stealing somebody's diamonds. this is a guy throughout with automatic weapon effectively shooting out the window. and knowing that he could break the window with a hammer, with whatever he used, a hammer-like object, whatever he had. this guy had it figured. >> he planned well from the beginning. this is something that a lot of the active shooters do. and what you're looking at is a person that wanted to do that. he planned. he looked for closest area. he planned it all out as much as he could. the security chiefs, we deal really close with the metropolitan police. we do a lot of training with them. we discuss different scenarios. we do the same thing for the
southern nevada counterterrorism fusion center to look at different type of events. and it's constantly going on. >> is there a lot of despondency about there? i'm sure there. vegas was built on people losing, not winning. everybody keeps talking back east here about how tens of thousands of dollars he lost in the last several days. my hunch is he brought those guns with him to do something with those guns. he didn't just somehow conjure up guns after he lost a few days at the gaming table. thinking wasn't -- this was a planned attack. he checked in on the 28th. so he had some time to coordinate his assault or his offensive against these individuals. but just going back to what you mentioned in terms of the aim, it was like shooting ducks in a barrel. we have 22,000 people right in front of him. it's the equivalent of throwing a bowl into the ocean. unfortunately, when you look at the weaponry that he used in this, it kind of remind me. i'm an ex-army officer. and it reminded me of my
training on the firing line. it was either a belt fed or a weapon that had a drum magazine. because there were numerous rounds that came in continuous succession. we only had three breaks. we had hundreds of rounds that were fired at these individuals. so there was no marksmanship deployed here. >> darrin, what do you make of this testimony we got from a live witness, bryan hopkins, that this guy was picking them off. they would get up. he would shout shoot them when they got up. they would get down, he would stop. he said he was shooting, he was sniepg. >> the witness or the person that shot is in the state of fear. so i can understand them looking at it from that perspective. but the truth of the matter is we just have a person firing aimlessly. he is destined to hit hundreds of people. >> okay. >> we look at three football fields. that's nothing when we look at a .223 or a .30-06 rifle. >> thank you so much. david shepherd, darrin porcher i just spoke with and shawn henry.
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out in this area. this was, if you can believe it, this was the staging area for police, emts, for fire crews, for everybody that was a first responder on that scene. it was completely littered with squad cars, mostly with units and guys in full riot gear and long guns going from hotel to hotel to hotel doing sweeps. as we arrived onscene, there was a crowd of people rushing our way because of the gunfire that was ensuing behind them. as we went in, we heard victim stories. as we've been hearing all day. we've been hearing about a woman that used the bodies around her to play dead, to escape the fire. we heard about a woman who hid in a bush to escape that gunfire. and people who were shepherding those folks from the scene in their cars away from the scene to safety. so tremendous stories of survival here on scene, chris. >> you're there for the scene. thank you, steve patterson with that great report in las vegas. one of the witnesses to last night's mayhem joins us by phone. buzz brainard is host of "the
highway" on xm radio. buzz, tell me about what you saw, what you felt, what you went through. >> well, we were in the artist tent, which is right off the stage. and it was our last -- our last performance of the three-day festival. and we'd been here for three days, and everybody was in a good mood celebrating. and we heard the bam bam bam bam bam. i think everybody just thought it was fireworks. and i heard that from everybody. and it happened again. people stepped out of the tent. and somebody said it might be some of the power lines above us. and then the third time we realized it was gunfire. and so we were lucky because we were in the backstage area where there was a lot of equipment and there was some tour buses. we immediately dove under the tour buses for cover. and the bullets were coming down you. could see them hitting the dirt in front of you. and the dirt would shoot up in your face. we stayed there for a while. and then security decide it was time for us all to leave. so we all got to run, everybody
backstage. and our quickest exit was right over the stage, running straight away from mandalay bay. and we joined -- we joined the masses of people that were
puerto rico tomorrow. i'm joined right now by nbc's hallie jackson at the white house. so what are the president's plans in terms of reacting to this horror? >> so i think you've seen some of it already, chris. you've seen the moment of silence. you've seen the president scramble the morning plans that he had. he was supposed to hold a deregulation event. instead he came out and delivered that speech. as you noted, calling what happened in las vegas an act of pure evil. this speech was more spiritual in tone than what we've heard from the president before. he used language about scripture, language about faith that he hasn't always talked about after moments like these. we then saw the president add to his schedule what we're watching right now, which is that moment of silence with the first lady, the vice president and the vice president's wife as well. and then sarah huckabee sanders said now is not the time to be talking about gun control, which here in washington some lawmakers, particularly democrats do want to have the conversation about. >> well, we have to wonder when we do have a conversation about it, if not now. anyway, nbc's hallie jackson at
the white house. incredible numbers injured in las vegas. officials are calling for blood donations. i'm joined now by nbc's jo ling kent who is at a blood drive in las vegas. jo ling? >> this line stretches about 150 yards. people have been standing here five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten hours. what they want to do is donate blood because the city has called for it. obviously there are 500 folks in the hospital injured who need that but what you see here is an outpouring of community support. it's a really remarkable feeling. even though this tragedy has hit las vegas so hard you, have you the public coming together in a way that a lot of people here say they've never seen before. and so as a result, you have families bringing groceries, donating food. big companies, small bake risks all coming out to make sure everyone is hydrated, that they're eating, that they're able to wait in line. and all the way around here, you see there are folks lined up, and they are all here to donate blood, chris. and they're not going to close down until they can't take
if the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press would have said what i said was very nice. wait a minute. i'm not finished. i'm not finished, fake news. the press honestly is out of control. the level of dishonesty is out of control. the public doesn't believe you people anymore. now, maybe i had something to do with that, i don't know. >> as you know i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. >> the media. in other words, the fake news. any media that dislikes what he's done. today, the president received a double rebuke from members of his own party. in a column for the "washington post" senator john mccain said president trump is sending a dangerous message to the world. he wrote "the while administration officials often condemn violence against reporters abroad trump continues his attacks on the integrity of american journalists and news outlets providing cover for repressive regimes to follow suit." on the senate floor this
morning, mccain's colleague jeff flake criticized the president for using a term associated with the former soviet dictator joseph stalin. let's watch. >> the enemy of the people was how the president of the united states called the free press in 2017. it is a tes tament to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by joseph stalin to describe his enemies. this alone should be the source of great shame for us and this body. especially for those of us in the president's party. for they are shameful, repulsive statements. when a figure in power reflexively calls any press that doesn't suit him, fake news, it is that person who should be the figure of suspicion, not the press. we know no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality. no politician will ever get or tell us what the truth is and what it is not. and anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the
press for his own purposes should be made to realize his mistake and to be held to account. >> those where is two impressive statements but at the white house briefing today, sarah huckabee sanders dismissed his speech as a cry for attention. >> he's not criticizing the president because he's against oppression. he's criticizing the president because he has terrible poll numbers. and he is, i think, looking for some attention. i think it's unfortunate and certainly i think our position here at the white house is that we welcome access to the media every day. >> that was pathetic. then there was the theater of the absurd for weeks, the president has been teasing in an award ceremony of sorts for the most dishonest or corrupt media awards of the year. he wrote subjects will cover dishonesty and bad reporting in various categories from the fake news media. last week, he wrote the fake news awards, those are going to
the most corrupt and biassed of the mainstream pedia will be presented wednesday, january 17th. that's today. at her briefing today, sanders promised something later today. as of this hour, it's still a mystery what it is. that's the absurd. here's the reality. according to committee to the protect journalists 42 were killed last year doing their jobs. another 262 were imprisoned, 21 arrested on charges of false news. those were the phrase used. i'm joined by senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, columnist eugene robinson, and katie townsend, the litigation director for the reporter's committee for freedom of the press. i want to start with katie. congratulations on your organization. thank you. tell me what's the danger of the press, just using the press as his tackling dummy because he doesn't like objective reporting, not opinion like eugene. he's afraid it seems to me of front page facts that are thrown
out there as part of regular daily reporting. he doesn't want that objective reality confronting his behavior. >> these relentless attacks on the credibility of journalists, use of the fake news term repeatedly calling the press the enemy of the people, these have real world effects, not just here in the united states where we've seen an uptick in threats against members of the media just simply doing their jobs but also abroad. i think as both senator mccain and senator flake pointed out today, the president's words matter. they have an impact when the president of the united states uses the term "fake news" to criticize reporting that he doesn't like, that language is used as a license by people like assad in syria, duterte in the philippines to call reporting -- they don't like fake news. >> senator, when he uses this as a broad brush when he doesn't win the popular vote. there's not a single person that believes he won the popular
vote. he says he did. he said the only reason it's not counted that way is because all these people that added to hillary's popular vote were foreigners illegally will voting in the the country. he lies like that. that's his idea of news. >> when the history of this time is written, chris and i've said it before, the heroes will be our free press and the judiciary bulwarks of our democracy. when the president says he won the popular vote when he says that the crowd at inaugural was the biggest ever, the president has stood up to him. think about what we would not know now about russian meddling in our election, about the attempts to cover up and obstruct justice, whether it's the air force one statement or the trump tower meeting, and katie is right. the real world effects are staggering, not only abroad where 262 journalists have been
doing a very good job. you're supposed to hold them accountable. what president trump is doing is something different. he's trying to erase the line between what is true and what is not true. erase the line between reality and his own convenient fantasy, his own version of reality to have a democracy, we have to have a chronicle of events that we all agree on. we have to have an encyclopedia of facts we all agree on. then we can argue what to do with those things and what those events mean and what those facts mean. but he's trying to warp reality to suit his own political purposes, and his own ego half the time. i think it's more psychological than political. but it's very dangerous. >> senator. >> it is dangerous because it's also different from past presidents. anybody like me or anyone else in public life has to also have a thick skin and answer tough
are. >> it's the latest from the castro brothers. the bad brothers. >> but the point is very important to make that more than words are necessary here. just last spring, the president of the united states threatened to jail reporters asked his attorney general to consider jailing reporters if they will published classified information. we all know prairie strant and that kind of action is unconstitutional, but the threat of it is chilling. and my republican colleagues as well as democrats need to do as well as say what they mean to protect the free press. >> then the absurdity of the president of all people calling out fake news. he seems to treat rumorsen an tabloid fodder as reliably as his daily briefing from the cia. let's watch the president in action. >> trump comes along and said, birth certificate. he gave a birth certificate. whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly
question it. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald's being -- you know, shot. i mean the wholening is ridiculous. that was reported and nobody talks about it. >> i guess it was the biggest electoral college win since ronald reagan. >> why should americans trust you when you accuse the information they receive of being fake when you're providing information that's. >> i don't know. actually, i've seen that information around. >> earlier you said president obama never called the families of fallen soldiers. how can you make that claim. >> no, i was told that he didn't often. i don't know. what do i know about it? all i know is what's on the internet. >> all i know. gene, a willingness to spew out nonsense about a political opponent. i'm no fan of ted cruz, nor is anybody but his father helped kill kennedy? how can you throw that crap out and your troops your 38% believe you? >> how do you work with a guy after he said that about your
father. you know. >> because he's. >> it's difficult to know how much of this is deliberate toward a political end and how much of this is just donald trump. he trafficked in wild ridiculous con spiry theories long before he became a politician. this is who he is on some level. he's willing to believe this stuff. >> how can he say things all i know is what i read in the "national enquirer." he's saying his iq is about 3? why would you say you believe all that stuff? senator, explain that. you must have some trump voters in connecticut? >> we have a fair number of trump voters in connecticut. >> what do they make of this clown show? >> i think that dismissing it as a clown show is a disservice to how threatening and how dangerous it really is because it is undermining angkor rosive to our democracy. and the real threat here is that people will lose faith although
frankly, what i hear in connecticut is that folks are watching msnbc. >> right. >> they're watching this show, watching other cable. they're reading at levels never before seen, and i think it is that kind of reaction that should be inspiring to many of us. >> also bad clowns. thank you, senator, blumenthal. eugene robinson, katie. coming up, learning more about steve bannon's bizarre testimony yesterday in the russia investigation. his attorney was on the phone with the white house in realtime with white house attorneys instructing bannon apparently on what questions he could answer and which he couldn't answer. democrats say the white house trying to gag bannon. maybe he wants to be gagged. there could be collusion between bannon and the white house. plus, it's even worse than you think. that's the title of a new book by david k. johnson about what donald trump is doing to our country, some of the secret stuff in the regulatory era we
haven't paid enough attention to. we will tonight. he joins us. and trump's racial language derailed hopes of saving daca and avoiding a government shutdown this friday night. we heard it last week from the president. today we got similar talk, this time from his attorney general. let me finish with trump watch. he won't like it. had is "hardball" where the action is. about medicine, but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. go, know, and take control of your health. it could save your life. doctor poses! dad! cigna. together, all the way.
♪ keep it comin' love. if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. senator john mccain defended the freedom of our press. for more than that, far more than that, he has also developed a warm relationship with the media, one that has evaded our current president. that relationship by mccain with the media was most clearly on display during the 2008 presidential campaign when he spoke at the al smith dinner up in new york. let's watch. it's fun. we'll be right back. >> some advocates for senator obama are less restrained in our enthusiasm, even in the media.
usually is at table 228 for example, is my old friend and green room pal chris matthews. he used to like me but he found somebody new. somebody who opened his eyes so body who gave him a thrill up his leg. and we've talked about it. i told him maverick i can do. but messiah is bob my pay grade. is above my pay grade. you know, it's going to be a long, long night at msnbc if i manage to pull this thing off. >> he has a sense of humor. a good man. i don't agree with him on a lot of stuff but a good man. we'll be right back.
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investigation. during his 11-hour appearance before the house intelligence committee yesterday, he said the white house instructed him not to answer questions about his time in the white house or in the transition. in an effort to compel his testimony, the committee subpoenaed bannon on the spot yesterday. however, nbc news reports now that after the subpoena was issued bannon attorney william burke conferred with the white house officials who continued to insys that bannon should still not answer the committee's questions. despite following those orders for the most part, axios is today reporting bannon made one conspicuous slip-up. "bannon admitted he had had conversations with reince priebus, sean spicer and legal spokesman mark corallo about don junior's, that's donald trump jr.'s infamous meeting with the russians in trump tower in june 2016." they were all talking about that meeting at the white house. meanwhile, after the special counsel also served bannon with a grand jury subpoena last week, a source close to his lawyers tell nbc news now that bannon
will now be questioned by robert mueller's team instead of testifying before a grand jury. let's get to what that means. i'm joined by about denny heck who sits on the house intelligence committee, julia ansley, reporter with nbc news, and joyce vance, a former federal prosecutor. talk about this congressman. what about this slip-up where yesterday in his testimony before your committee, steve bannon admitted they had talked in the white house about that meeting at trump tower involving donald junior and jared and manafort and the russians. >> well, after 11 hours anybody is bound 0 let the truth out a little bit, chris. the question here that has prompted this, what are they trying to hide? we shouldn't be surprised. this is an administration that is the first in american history at least modern history not to disclose the president's tax returns. now evidently he is instructing witnesses before the intelligence committee to withhold information. what are they trying to hide,
chris. >> let me get back to what you must think. that surmise i think appropriately is what bannon himself said in the book, michael wolff's book. they're worried appropriately about money laundering involving jared and donald junior, the whole bunch of them because somehow they might be involved with having a criminal enterprise on the way to the white house. some way to make money as they run for president. i assume that's what steve bannon says they ought to be worried about. that's what he said. >> i'm not going to get into the specs of what he said by committee policy. but i will say this. whether or not he gets away with stiff arming the intelligence committee, he's not going to get away with stiff arming bob mueller. chris, i don't know that you know this, but you know what bob mueller's nickname was when he arrived at the department of justice? it was bobby three sticks. robert mueller iii, robert mueller the hockey player and robert mueller the boy scout. he is straight as they can be. he it's his lunch at his desk every day, a decorated marine
veteran who i think won the purple heart. this guy is laser focused in on getting at the truth and steve bannon nor the white house is going to stand in his way. >> bannon's refusal to answer questions at behest of the white house spurred debate over executive privilege which allows the president to keep certain white house communications private. the white house is not officially invoking that privilege yet but lawmakers tell us it reserved the right to do so. last night the ranking democrat on the committee, adam schiff, we know him well, accused the white house of gagging a key witness in this investigation. >> the scope of this assertion of privilege, if that's what it is, is breathtaking. it goes well beyond anything we have seen in this investigation. this was effectively a gag order by the white house preventing this witness from answering almost any question concerning his time in the transition or the administration and many questions even after he left the administration. >> however, white house press
secretary sarah huckabee sanders said today the trump white house is only following the same procedure she says as past administrations. >> this white house is following the same practice that many white houses before us have that have gone back decades that there is a process that you go through anytime you have congressional inquiries touching upon white house, the congress should consult with the white house prior to obtaining confidential material. executive privilege is something that goes back decades because it's something that needs to be protected. whether it's during this administration or one 20 years from now, we want to make sure we follow the process and the precedent. that's all that's taking place here. >> there's the meat of the story tonight. you're on top of this, julia. it seems to me the president is worried. his people are worried. he was sitting around in the oval office, we've seen pictures with his feet up on desk going, sitting around shooting whatever. talking about the whole question
of what they're facing. what's what people do in politics. how are we exposed. >> what happened in the meeting? what did donds junior do? who set up the meeting all that stuff and all the time there's bannon in the room with them. bannon has all this in his head. trump knows it. he's fired bannon after trusting him for all those months. he must be scared to death. what did i say while he was in the room and what can he bring against me to bob mueller when the time comes. >> that's exactly the argument. that's why the white house is so worried what bannon might say. he expos him to a lot of vulnerabilities not only because he was in the room and around during the campaign, transition and into the white house but because bannon is not implicated in a lot of this. just from the fact he was subpoenaed, he's not the target of this investigation. therefore, he can go forward and say a lot. he can talk about the conversations that he had with
priebus and spicer like what he slipped on yesterday. it's almost a warning shot. >> the meeting in june at the trump tower. >> to say look what i know. >> his attitude towards jared and donald trump jr. he doesn't think much of these nepotism types. >> yeah, that all came out in the book, obviously. if you think about it, bannon and kind of the breitbart band, people who come from the outside. they don't like nepotism, they don't like the swamp. he would be against someone like a jared kushner. and, of course, priebus, as well. he wants to kind of establish himself as an outsider and he's always gotten under their skin and now he's in a position to do it more than ever. >> he has the truth, a memory and he's a pretty smart guy. steve bannon reportedly told michael wolff he doesn't believe claims of executive privilege can protect the white house from mueller. according to wolff's book, he said there's no executive privilege. we've proved that with watergate. they're sitting on a beach trying to stop a category 5.
joyce vance, what do you make of this, we've been through nixon, we've been through cases where they've tried at the white house to say we can't talk almost like a husband can't testify against his spouse or something like that. how hard is that principle of executive privilege here? >> you know, executive privilege is one of those amorphous legal topics not fully fleshed out. it develops over time in the case law. so the question, does it protect these kinds of testimonial experiences that the white house is trying to apparently shut down? the most interesting aspect of this problem is that so far, the white house has gotten away without having the president actually invoke the privilege. and so none of these witnesses can --s are obligated to avoid answering the questions. bannon could have gone ahead and testified because the white house had not invoked it. we won't see a real test of the privilege until it's invoked until it comes before a tribunal. one thing i do think is correct
is he'll have a lot less success in front of bob mueller than he'll have had on the hill. >> tough question now. suppose steve bannon wants to tell the truth and the white house reaches outs to him and says you can't. what's to stop hip? what penalty would he face if he decided to tell it all? regardless of what the white house lawyers say about executive privilege. >> he won't face any penalty whatsoever in front of the grand jury. he can go in, he can testify, the rules of evidence have very limited application there. if they were still on the hill, the white house could perhaps go to court, file some sort of a temporary restraining order to keep him from testifying until the privilege issue was decided. but here's the double-edged sword for the white house. once they start trying to keep a broad brush of bannon's testimony out of the view of investigators, it really looks more and more like they have something to hide. executive privilege should have a narrow focus on deliberative type issues. it's not meant to entirely
exclude the activities of an administration from start to finish from investigators' view. >> okay. we've got a republican supreme court, however. we'll see. the congressman, thank you denny heck of washington state and thank you julia ansley of nbc news and joyce vance. thank you for your expertise. up next we'll speak to a journalist who has covered trump for decades. david johnson is out with a new book saying the trump administrationings is destroying our book. "it's worse than you think." that's going to be interesting. this is "hardball" where the action is. prestige creams not living up to the hype?
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we've begun the most far-reaching regulatory reform in american history. so together, let's cut the red tape. let's set free our dreams and yes, let's make america great again. so this is what we have now. this is where we were in 1960. and when we're finished, which won't be in too long a period of time, we will be less than where we were in 1960, and we have a great regulatory climate. okay? >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump last month literally cutting through the red tape of government regulations. in his new book "it's even worse than you think," what the trump administration is doing to america," david johnson writes this is an administration that looks for the least qualified on
the most aggressive termites to eat away at the structure of government. he notes the trump administration has rolled back environmental and worker safety protections with the occupational safety and health administration even removing data on worker fatalities. people that get killed on the job from its website. and has proposed reducing spending on science, education veterans. he's nominated people like environmental protection agency administrator scott pruitt who himself sued the epa14 times as oklahoma ag. and just last night, "the washington post" reported that more than three-quarts of the members board at the national park service quit out of frustration that interior secretary ryan zinke key refused to even meet with them or convene a single meeting last year. i'm joined by author david k. johnson. i just got a note from the head of the peace corps. she just quit the park service board because they never meet. i get the sense one of the reasons the dow jones is going up, it's generally good news but in this case i wonder if it
policy. it means all the stuff we rooted for for the last 40, 350 years, the clean air and water act, are being termited to death, being killed by administrator who's want the government to fail in its mission. your thoughts? >> exactly. and chris, there's no free lunch. if you're not going to enforce pollution laws, you're going to have more people get cancer, children develop asthma, more people with heart disease. if you're going to stop making sure that we do the best we can or at least try to reduce worker deaths, 4800 a year in recent years, and withdraw the data, more workers are going to die and more marginal employers are going to pay less respect to safety practices. plenty of places i would be thoroughly in favor of redoing or simplifying regulations but that's not what they're doing. they're putting the people from the industries that are affected in charge and letting them
remove the regulations that are designed to protect public health, public safety. >> you know, every time people say they don't like regulation, i say when you open up a can of tuna fish, you open it up, you want to know if it's safe and how you know? you don't like regulation. >> you want to get on an airplane that's not safe? what do you mean you don't want regulation. write in your book donald trump's manifestly unfit to hold any public office. he lacks the emotional stability, knowledge, critical thinking skills and the judgment to be commander in chief. how do you know that? >> from knowing donald for 30 years and from his own behavior. i mean, donald is just paulingly ignorant about the world. this is a man on his first foreign trip goes to saudi arabia and praises them for fighting against terrorism in the saudis? the biggest funders of terrorism in the world. >> 15 of the guys on the airplane, was it 15 or 14 of the 19 on the planes on 9/11 were saudis. >> exactly. and so donald -- look at the
tweets he does and the things he says. the key thing to understand is donald trump's presidency is unlike every other because instead of trying to make the country better and some failed and some succeeded at that, donald's presidency is about donald. he wants to you go oh, the great and glorious leader. thank you, donald. let's go around the table and see how much we can do to praise the glorious leader. that's not how you operate in a democratic society. >> you opened up your book by calling him a nar sissist. people get the wrong idea what that means. they think you think you're good looking. no, you think you're the center of the universal. that's what it is. >> donald's narcissism unlike that of the mythical narcissus has so far done him very well, got him all the way to the white house. >> what do you think are his deepest values. >> his soy hole word about the poor countries i'm going to close the show tonight by saying he judges people by the value of the real estate they live in.
if you live in a period neighborhood, you're no good. if you live in a hice rice like him, you're a good person. the more money you have, the more he likes you. the less money, the less he represents you. it's literally true. when it has to do with race it, often does. >> eric trump just said yesterday that all his father cares about is green, is money. that's basically. >> that's a defense. that's his defense. >> yes, but it's also a revelation. and an admission. and donald judges people by the content or presumed content of their wallets. when he was in business how much he could get out of your wallet without pulling his part of business bargains. who does he rely on. >> robert mercer the hedge fund guy who helped women with targeting voters perhaps with the help of the russians and mercer says human being's worth is entirely basened on net worth and his cats are worth more than measures because they give him pleasure. that's the values donald has. >> i hope the voters between
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criticized a bipartisan immigration proposal telling rioters the deal is horrible. he said it was pretty good last week and "the opposite of what i campaigned for." progress on an agreement had stalled following the president's comments about african countries. trump's allies lined up to defend him. let's take a look. >> what good does it do to bring in somebody who is illiterate in their own country, has no skills and is going to struggle in our country and not be successful. >> my father sees one color, green. that's all he cares about. he cares about the economy. he does not see race. he's the least racist person i've met in my entire life. it's nonsense. >> a new quinnipiac poll shows a majority of americans do not agree with the son. 59% think trump does not respect people of color as much as he respects white people. for more, i'm joined by heidi press bow la, "usa today." eugene scott, political reporter for the "washington post" and
tamron keith, white house correspondent for npr. let me just ask you the simple question, how is his use of the word he used african countries and haiti, what has that done to the chances of the democrats wanting to sign on to any deal? heidi? >> aside from the language, there's the language itself and there's the erratic behavior of seeming like you're going to accept this deal. you invite them all to your office and trash it. so that basically introduces this element of total unpredictability. they feel like schumer said yesterday they didn't feel like they could deal with him anymore. then the use of the s-hole word upset everyone on capitol hill. now you see many lawmakers trying to work around him on this. and even mitch mcconnell saying that the president has to tell us what his bottom line is. even the republicans feeling like they can't read their own leader. >> eugene, who wants to fight and who wants to deal? you can usually tell. i don't know if i can tell. who would like to have a deal by
friday night and who would be quite happy to have the fight? i think the democrats want a fight over daca. that's my hunch. >> i think they want to stick to what they put out there saying we believe that the plan and ideas we have that we've proposed before trump got into the white house would be the best option for the american people. but i think ultimately, everyone who is up for re-election or who thinks they can lose their seat is who wants to fight. they will be held accountable for this in november if they don't get a deal. >> government shutdowns don't happen accidentally. so people have to do it with purpose. it's not clear right now based on what we're hearing from the hill whether people really, whether democrats really do want a shutdown or not. >> i think they do. >> what is clear is they want to make republicans take the hard vote. >> don't they want to see a country where the hispanic vote which grows every year and will grow our entire lifetime, it's the way things in terms of
population, reproduction it, all adds up to a higher and higher percentage maybe, it will be 20% some day fairly soon. why wouldn't the democrats want to have a lock on that community by standing up for young people who came here because their parents brought them here and be noticed taking the good fight for them and let trump oppose them? how do they lose? >> as a party at large, yeah, they're probably all with you. i think there are some red state democrats who feel like this could be used as a kuj counsel against them at the state level. if you're a joe manchin, claire mccaskill, heidi heitkamp, look what this guy did, he held up government funding over helping dreamer kids. there's a segment of their population. >> there's steny hoyer who basically said we are united 100% on that. >> absolutely. we saw the president express once again little interest in speaking with the black caucus about this deal as a whole. the black caucus to many people's surprise has a vested interest because daca is not
limited to immigrants from mexico an latin american countries. >> as we've heard. >> new polling suggests voters are poised to blame republicans if congress fails to keep the government working. the poll conducted by the democratic leaning firm hart research associates surveyed voters in a dozen battleground states and found 42% of americans would blame the president and the majority, only 31% would blame democrats. a whopping 81% of the battleground voters say any agreement should include a deal to prevent the deportation of undocumented dreamers. >> here's the thing. we're not talking about all democrats. all you need, you know the makt, is about 10 democrats in the senate to vote for this. and you know, they can kick that can, pump that football, whatever you want to call it. and not deal with daca. >> give me ten games. i understand constituency politics. hispanic people are very
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good leaders talk about people. they root for people no matter their condition. some very good leaders root for those people that have it the hardest all the harder. bobby kennedy whom i just wrote a book about made a point of exploring places where poor people live, the mississippi delta where kids with distended stomachs barely survived on a diet of molasses. families of california workers where their employers refused to let them organize. native americans living on reservations. he learned what he could. imagine walking in their shoes and called those conditions unacceptable in this country. what a far cry from this president who simply dismisses such people from human consideration. my book is "bobby kennedy a raging spirit," now ten weeks on the "new york times" best seller list. the president we have is donald trump. close to a year in office but not a step closer to learning his duty to all the people either those who live on a block along fifth avenue nor hold a
wall. >> mexico will pay for the wall. i think they'll end up being happy to do so. >> the wall just got 10 feet higher. we love it. >> we are going to build the wall. it will be a real wall. a real wall. who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. >> the back and forth between boss and top kick on the president's immigration position has not help congressional republicans get any closer to a deal that would solve the daca problem and keep the government opened. if no deal is reached there will be a shutdown of the government tomorrow at midnight. casey hunt on capitol hill gives us the update. i did talk about baby food because this chief of staff talks about the president as this cartoon character that has to be made into a person by
language about haiti and africa. so what you have now is a democratic party that's bg been given a rational for this potential shutdown, the brew ha over the last week has energized their base and made it easier for democrats to say we can't work with this guy on these issues. whereas republicans are with john kelly privately. they think this president says one thing one day, another the next, doesn't understand the issue. fisa was in danger this morning. there was a moment we thought the president was opposing this because it included a long term extension of the children's health insurance program. this is the president they're dealing with. quite frankly it's a big part of the reason we're here. >> i get a sense we're going to be here for a while. trump gave a barn burner of a speech in pittsburgh today. he's good at standing in front
messages down the news that the president pays a lot of attention to. it's unlike anything people up here have ever seen. one of the dynamics on the hill is how much of it feels unprecedented. there was a sense that we'll figure it out. we always figure it out. there's no way the government is going to shut down. but then over the weekend, the s-hole debate changed the landscape of this. e we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow. we could be here tomorrow at 7:00 having a different conversation. i every day covering this, the people i talk to in these hallways, no one has any clue what's going to happen in the following 15 minutes. we're in uncharted territory. maybe it's an obvious thing to say. >> you're giving us a wonderful capsule of insanity.
thank you. let's go to cornell bellcher and jennifer rubin. i don't buy the idea this is the usual turbulence you feel on an airplane. no this is whack job. you have tob people that don't like immigration and they got people who insist on basically meeting the needs of a consistency, the hispanic people of the country, the latinos, they want to help those kids, i don't see the kid. >> the iron any is if they put it on the table it would pass. they have the majority of votes. >> the middle that doesn't call the shots? >> exactly. if you have the democrats voting one way and this group -- lindsey graham is expanding the group that say they're in favor of a solution, it won't work. trump won't let them put it on the table, mcconnell won't, ryan
won't. i think what happens going to happen, if the house passes through, what's mitch mcconnell going to do? >> here's the story, an uncertain trumpet, is it that the president will give on the wall thing, the president understands daca and can't fight it? that's the message from the chief of staff to the caucus the other day. the president saying today i am still a wall guy and i'm tough. >> the leadership matters. we're seeing what happens when we don't have leadership. this level of dysfunction. you can't have this. nancy pelosi nailed it. it's amateur hour. and it's dangerous for those thousands of young americans who have known nothing but america, they're in the lines of fire because of this absolute chaos
and dysfunction at the top. be a leader, take one side and stake with that side, the president is absent in this. >> as we said earlier, democrats and republicans have until midnight tomorrow to fund the government. candidate trump ran on the promise that he would be a deal maker, remember that? in instances just like this one. let's take a listen. >> if i'm elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving we have deals to make. >> i will bring america to a new level. i will negotiate deals that nobody can negotiate deals like i do. i know nobody i'm running against. nobody is going to do the things i do. it's supposed to be you get along with congress, cojoel and go back and forth and we get in a room and we have deals. clare mckas skill tweeted,
compromise is the essence of democracy. if there ever was a time for a deal maker. look at it this way, it seems a deal is there. we're going to take care of the dreamers, 80% say let those kids stay here. nobody wants to send them back, they didn't come on their own, don't send them back on the government's say-so. at the same time there has to be enforcement of the immigration laws, there has to be something, whether it's a wall, punishing big business for hiring illegally -- something has to stop the immigration. not everybody wants to say that but they will -- >> be but graham and durbin argue the deal is already there. durbin just sweet twooeted unification check, border security, check, d.r.e.a.m.ers check. the deal is there. the hard liners have a problem
with it but durbin and senator graham had the deal. >> has this use of the term, the s-hole term which we all say ridiculously s-hole, but we do. he said it worse. has now created a poison so the democrats don't want to sit down with him? especially with minority people. >> they're so offended by it. but now they know they have him. he looks bad, a racist. >> what do they get out of it? if they cut a deal, they look week and give in to a bad guy who's a racist, in the end what's this chip worth? >> eventually they have to do something on daca and they'll be her rows. >> i don't agree the democrats are holding a chip. the votes are there for the democrats, again the durbin/graham bill, they would
vote for this bill. >> there's always been the middle, ted kennedy was in the middle. we all agree, we can do it better here. we can do the deal here. president trump's attorney says he's eager to speak with special counsel mueller. he suggested mueller might set a perjury trap. have you ever heard a lawyer said ahead of time he's worried his client is going to lie under oath? this is what this guy is saying, my guy might lie. you think the chief of staff has low estimate for the brains, his lawyer's are lawyers. trump is vowing to spend four to five days a week helping republicans win in 2018. he went to pittsburgh, pennsylvania today where democrats think they have a chance to flip a republican
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questioned by the special counsel mr. mueller in connection with the russia probe. however his top lawyers now say otherwise. he said he believes it's a certainty that the president will sit down with mueller's team but he's worried about perjury. let's watch. >> is it from your advantage point right now a virtual certainty that the president will have some q & a with the special counsel robert mueller? >> that's my belief. >> do you think there's any danger for the president in that encounter? >> you know, i would hope that a fair-minded office of special counsel would approach it in a -- in a dutiful way consistent with precedent and it wouldn't be a mere perjury trap. >> after incorrectly predicting
the probe would wind down last year, trump's lawyer, said it would end soon. >> when do you believe it would reach a conclusion. >> soon. >> what do you mean by soon. >> four to six weeks. >> i'm joined by adam schiff ranking congressman in the house committee. i'm wondered if you are baffled by a lawyer for the president, his top lawyer, saying he might commit perjury because somehow the questioning would be so brilliant that he would be forced into what he called a perjury trap. what do you make of it? >> i'm surprised with that level of candor, but wouldn't you be surprised as the lawyer knowing the president's propensity to say things aren't true. so i can understand counsel's concern but he is going to have to be interviewed by special
counsel. he's made a number of statements. some of the most incriminating have come from the president himself. such as the comments he had on his mind when he fired james comey. so the interview has to take place. certainly a lot of mind fields for the president's lawyer. if we're going to get to the truth, the facts, he's an essential witness. >> they seem less worried about or less intending to avoid commenting db or letting the president testify to mueller's team than they are to testify to your committee. what is it with these guys? they want to use executive privilege to stay away from you guys, especially the democrats on your committee, but the lawyer, they have to go face the special counsel? >> we saw this week, they shutdown steve bannon said we're imposing a gag rule on steve bannon we won't let him testify
to anything he learned after he left the campaign or any conduct, meetings, conversation during the transition or his time in the administration or thereafter. similarly corey lewandowski ended up doing the same thing, saying i'm going to refuse to answer questions because i'm not prepared to do it today. and then the third witness that was supposed to come in tomorrow, another administration official, they cancelled altogether. so they're concerned about testimony before congress. they're most concerned, frankly, about steve bannon. they may have good reason for that concern or this may be just a broad effort to stifle the congressional investigations because they feel they have a home court advantage with the republican chairman of our committee. >> they do. today your committee released the testimony of glen simpson, the founder of gps. the transcript shows mr. simpson told you that he diskcovered
there were an amazing number of people that will purchased properties from mr. trump. what do you make of it? >> this is a concern i had all along. that this one area of the investigation could be potentially the most compromising of the president, and it ought to be in the exercise of due diligence investigated like the other allegations we've faced. when we began this investigation, there were allegations of secret meetings with trump campaign people which we know took place. there were allegations of what general flynn was doing, which we now know proved to be true. and there have been persistent allegations of money laundering, which we have not been allowed to investigate. steve bannon is concerned about money laundering and simpson as well. i think it would be irresponsible for us not to look into it and find out it's not true, it was just highly suggestive or no it looks like
there's merits to the allegations and the president could be potentially compromised. >> there's three areas of exposure, the president may have colluded with the russians, the president may have obstructed justice and he may have been involved with money laundering. he and his family. all three topics still hot to investigate to you? >> yes, i think we have more wrk to did on all of these topics. you can see the limitations we're operating under when bannon won't talk about his time in the administration or transition. and corey lewandowski is saying i'm not prepared to answer that today, thinking that's an adequate response. so there's a lot more work we need to do, there's a lot more work just about the trump tower meeting, people that knew what went into the trump tower meeting, the telephone records we want to obtain so we can determine whether donald trump jr. spoke with donald trump
senior about that meeting. but money laundering, could be, if there were merit to it, the most compromising in the sense the russians knew they engaged it, would have power over the united states and we've not been permitted by the majority to look at the issue. >> thank you. i'm joined by paul butler. what you make of all that? >> money laundering is hot because of simpson's testimony, that's what they were looking at that led to the dossier, the president clearly doesn't want to talk about that. i get the feeling he's going to fire mueller the minute he goes in that direction. >> what the transcript says eric trump said he can get money from the russians. we have that and the suspicious pattern of real estate transactions with people in
russia. and then we have steve bannon, the guy who knew the president best, who said if the trump team goes down it's going down because of money laundering. as you say they've focussed occlusion, obstruction of justice, but this could be the thing that undonees the administration. >> it raises the question whether his campaign for president was a criminal inte enterprise. the whole question were they selling them land to get the money laundered. >> we think about the political organization of the campaign. that's another area bannon is key. a question they will ask him is how did it work. would it be possible for people like carter page and george papadopoulos to meet with russians and trump not know about it. if he says to the grand jury or the fbi that he didn't know about it and he did, that's perjury. >> watch these pictureses. i like the pictures that show
steve bannon sitting comfortably in the oval office. he said we were worried, we were talking to the white house about the meetings, the meeting at trump tower, we talked about it. it opened up the gate. they obviously talked about it but now he said they talked about it. >> how could he not. he said he thought it was treasonous, the fact they were meeting with the russians to talk about the election on behalf of president trump. so bannon has a lot to tell mueller. i would love to be a fly in the room. >> you know they separate the two menendez brothers. in this case you have bannon who doesn't like the nepotism people, eric and jared and all that benefitting by their father. he may want to testify against them. >> he's a prosecutor's dream witness. he doesn't have exposure. he only gets in trouble if he doesn't tell the truth. they're going to tell him, yes, steve you're not talking to the
grand jury, you're talking to agents. but you still have to tell the truth, if you don't, you're going to jail. >> executive privilege, it was wiped away because of the nixon case, it was an impeachment case, high crimes misdemeanors. there the court said no executive privilege. where does it play here at all? >> here's the deal. there is some limited claim in a congressional hearing before a grand jury, which is what plu mueller is working with, no credible claim. even with the congressional committees i think trump waved it because the things they want the witnesses to talk about, michael flynn and why he fired comey. trump has made statements about that. so you can't talk about something and then prevent people from talking about it. as soon as it gets to the court. it's the republicans who are running the committees that are not forcing the witness to talk.
they can say, if you're claiming executive privilege make the president file a motion or send a letter. it's the president that has to claim it. >> you know all about this stuff. what is a perjury trap? is there such a thing or is that some sort of rhetorical device by a lawyer to set up the innocence of his client who he thinks is going to lie? >> the perjury trap is when the prosecutor sets someone up to try to trick them into telling a lie before the grand jury. the best way to prevent it is to tell the truth. apparently the president's lawyer thinks his client has a hard time doing that. >> i shouldn't laugh about criminal behavior. anyway, thank you. up next, president trump hits the campaign trail ahead of another hotly contested election in western pennsylvania. he's not the only president looking to make an impact in 2018. president obama is coming off the sidelines. we'll see how they handle it and how these two match up.
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government shuts down. >> meanwhile, president trump was in pennsylvania today making his first speech of 2018. expressing his support for rick san cone. he told "reuters" yesterday, i am going to spend four or five days a week because we need more republicans. he was giving a speech on the economy, the president couldn't resist throwing some meat to his base. let's watch. >> americans, do anything, build anything, and create anything as long as we have pride in our country, confidence in our values and respect for our great american flag. something i'm really proud of because i've been saying it, what do you have to lose? african-american unemployment is at its lowest level ever recorded. and remember, the deplorables.
the deplorables. we're all deplorables. who would have thought that was going to turn into a landslide. that was not a good phrase that she used. oh, some things you'd like to have back. >> he also bragged about how great the country is doing right now. let's watch that. >> nobody thought we were going to have this kind of success so quickly. there's never been a better time to hire in america, to invest in america, and believe in the american dream than right now. we can keep it like this we're going to win a lot of elections, that i can tell you. >> it remains to be seen if voters will buy trump's argument that he's made america great again. according to a new pole, 51% of registered voters say his first year in office was a failure, 42% say it was a success and 7%
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welcome back to "hardball." the u.s. house of representatives has just approved a short term spending bill. we saw the vote there. and now the measure goes to the senate where its fate is unclear, putting it nicely. the federal government will shutdown at midnight if they in the senate. the president is helping to stop a blue wave this november. but he'll face barack obama on the trail. the chicago tribune said obama will continue to be active in 2018. meanwhile reports obama is strategizing on his approach with tom perez. according to the publicipolitic determined not to become the foil the president wants him to
be. let's bring in, kimberly at kins, howard and and dave gem betty. i want to talk to howard, i think we agree on something off the bat. i thought trump's speech today was a barn burner. i never heard him give a better speech. for whatever reason he rose to the occasion. i know it was home court. i think if he behaves like that, the democrats are going to need a powerful candidate. >> i think, chris, there is a big blue wave or wind blowing -- >> in '18. >>. >> -- in '18 but if he's going to get through it, it's going to have to be with speeches he gave. he talked about his calling card, the economy, and he didn't create all of this, barack obama deserves some of the credit.
unemployment is low, minority unemployment is low. he made his case today and stayed on message. he stayed out of his way today. light touch, some humor, salesmansh salesmanship, just enough ra ra. >> and none of those cheap shots. >> that's as good as he's going to get on the stump. >> let me talk to you about president obama, to some people he's still the president. how does he get into this fight without getting his face dirtied by trump? >> carefully. president trump is going to punch at obama if he's on the campaign trail. so it's up to president obama to pick the message. >> how do you make yourself a stand back weapon. >> if anybody can do it, it's this president. he's very popular he has that over president trump. he also knows how to speak to
issues and speak about candidates and speak to what's going on in the districts he campaigns that doesn't make it about trump and overshadow the candidates themselves or some of the other up and coming democratic stars that might be good on the campaign trail. >> judge, give me your matchup. the president and former president go out there by october 15th they'll both have their faces on the nightly news you know it. >> the difference is the elections are going to be a referendum on president trump whether he likes it or not. there's no way the elections are going to be a referendum on the president who has left office two years ago. so they're going to pick their spots carefully, make an affirmative message out there. take on trump occasionally but shy away from the idea it's one versus the other. democrats are happy with the comparison. one of them is popular, overall
in the country, and especially with the democratic base. and one of them is not that popular overall in the country including with his own republican base. so democrats are not concerned about this matchup. >> president trump largely stuck to his script on stage, but off stage offered this over the impasse tomorrow night. >> i believe the democrats want a shutdown to get off the topic of the tax cuts because they've worked so well. they've been so good that i think the democrats would like a shutdown in order to get off the subject. that is not a good subject for them, the tax cuts because of the way they worked. >> is that true? >> that's not true. some democrats, particularly in the senate, want to see daca action. what's the action on daca and will see tomorrow some effort to try to negotiate that in before they give their approval of this
bill. but, no, this isn't about the tax cut, about the democrats wanting to shutdown the government. this shouldn't be about up anybody wanting to shutdown the government. that's one of the least popular things can you do. >> maybe i'm a skeptic. how about people want the deal in the fight and how many want the fight because sometimes the fight is better than the deal. if you're looking out for a minority community that's growing every day in this country, ten years from now, it'll be 20% you want that community behind you and against other side, right? >> absolutely. >> here's the chance for the democrats to stick the republicans with being the antiimmigrant party. >> they're also making the calculation that people realize that republicans control everything in washington right now, whether it's the white house, the house or the senate. so for republicans to try to push this back on democrats right now. the democratic leadership doesn't believe that's going to work. so they think it's a win-win right now.
they can convince their base, a lot of minority voters they're standing for them. >> i think democrats don't mind the fight a bit. >> it's not a fight for the sake of a fight -- >> it's a fight to be on the right side of the fight. although sometimes fights are good. like here. >> no matter what the republican leadership thinks, i think that donald trump thinks that he can win that spin war. that he can win that war. >> he'd rather be on the anti-immigrant side? >> he'd rather by on the anti-immigrant side. remember, he and his people don't like the government. >> it's a weird world. what do you think? >> i think it's interesting because you said he looked great because he read for ten minutes and didn't say anything offensive. >> i didn't say that he looked
great, i said that's as good as he can do. >> i said he was great. i watch politics all these years and try to figure out who looks good. >> the same guy you said wants to anti-immigrants, pick the expletive you want. i think it'll be a great get out the vote for the democrats. >> they're hoping for the worst case situation in politics for republicans. gabe agrees with me? >> they're hoping for the worst case scenario. >> they hope he's a klutz, a fool saying s.-hole every day of the week. in his limited campaign appearances last year, president obama took on his successor, although not by name. let's watch. >> i've been commenting a lot on politics lately, but here's one
thing i know. if you have to win a campaign by dividing people, you're not going to be able to govern them. >> when wha we can't have is same old politics of division that we have seen so many times before. that dates back centurys. some of the politics we see now, we thought we put that to bed. >> that's my religion. >> look, i think one of the biggest things that former president obama has going for him is the same thing that made everyone so excited about oprah. they give a speech and inspire people. there's not a lot of that in washington right now. >> i agree with you. the people who are against -- who might beat oprah if she were to run are also positive people like biden. do i use a toothpaste that whitens my teeth
whatsoever. the iranians like to taunt us because they don't have respect for our leaders, right. >> it turns out the world respects us less now that trump confidence in the united states leadership has fallen to an historic low right now. gallup vsurveyed more than 130 countries and found just 30% approve of leadership under trump. germany has now replaced the united states as top-rated global power. isn't that wonderful? the u.s. also falls slightly behind china and is barely more popular than the russkis. we should note that this poll was conducted before trump -- oh, my god -- before he started talking about africa as a bunch of s-holes. we'll be right back. geez! (singing) riblets, tenders!
do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. kimberly, tell me something i don't know. >> well, on track to change the way that sexual harassment is reported against members of congress. they introduced a bill, that has support that not only will get
rid of this publicly funded settlement -- >> right, i know -- >> the settlement fund, but it would force lawmakers to pay out of their own dollars. it would give extra support to people making these claims. and also on the other side to prevent blackmail. >> this is the new system. >> it's a new system. >> it's in place now? >> the bill has been filed and it's likely to pass. >> and the house can make this decision by itself? without the senate? zb >> yes. >> howard? >> chris, i checked with some agencies and departments. unlike past administrations in past years, there's been very little if any guidance about what to do if there actually is a government shutdown. either out of ignorance or chaos or knowing something that we don't, the departments and agencies have not been fully briefed in the way that they have been in the past about exactly what happens if there's a shutdown. >> so they turn the lights off in the zoo? >> they turn the lights off. >> what do the animals do? >> i put it down to general chaos and it's still
understaffed and underexperienced trump's administration. >> last night, there was a little known special election for a state senate seat in rural wisconsin. >> oh, we know. well known here. >> well known here. what i want to say, there have been 34 state legislative seats now since november 2016 that have flipped from republican to democrat over the last year. and you have -- >> which tells you? >> which tells us that there's something build. >> a wave. >> i don't know if it's that wave yet, but scott walker himself was saying, it's time to sound the alarm. >> every president since 18 tv, it's been an arnl average of 32s lost by the president's party. looks like the democrats could win back the house. thank you, kimberly atkins, howard fineman, dave bedenebeti. when we return, let me finish with trump watch.
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he hit all the high notes, never a flat one, he hit out the good news, hitting strong on employment numbers, no nastiness. his pitch uplifting, gung ho, with all the flags flying. i'm trying to think of a democratic rival that could match the performance, maybe you can help me out here, someone who can sell this country while making a case for herself or himself. someone who can make people feel empowered, feel like they matter. and still give them hope that they will win in the end? my point, which i expect to make often in the next three years, is that you can't beat someone with no one. to defeat donald trump will take a political combatant able to take the blows and give them back. to speak with hope and power. to go over trump, and not just get caught going under him. trying to undermine him. someone who will be bigger than him. why? because this is not a parliamentary or congressional country, like in england, where the party is what matters. it's a presidential country, where the leader matters. to win, democrats will need a
a year ago practically overnight after an armed group attacked the christian district of the city seeking protection the people there fled to u.n. troops stationed nearby and caught up on the row is a divided city the small river that flows through its geographic center serves as the border the center in the northern districts is in the hands of the muslim rebel militia called seller kong the southern districts are occupied by their largely christian opponents known as the. many houses are deserted here next to that are the un barracks the cagr refugee camp grew up next to its protective fence. the blue helmets took up positions on the city's only bridge in an attempt to keep the two warring sides apart but the raids continue. there are around twelve thousand five hundred u.n. soldiers in the country only a few residents have dared to return to their homes florentine don betty lives in
a hut built amidst the wreckage of his former farm which was destroyed by the sun a calm. you don't even want to move the country for your chance slip here anymore yeah woman was robbed here yesterday this and someone robbed her of twenty five thousand francs so i spoke with the authorities about the security situation here it's not safe in this part of the city. to donate to lou has worked for unicef in the central african republic for years because the bonder a camp is just one of many in the country she says and things are getting worse. the humanitarian needs are increasing sadly more and more people are under attack are i.d.p.'s we are now we have six hundred thousand people who are internally displaced within the country which is what it was at the peak of the crisis in twenty fourteen so there's still
a total area almost twice the size of germany which should make it an ideal place for wild animals to thrive from calgary ban doro our reporter yogen schneider travelled further south to design their sangar special reserve. there he met activists who are doing all they can to keep the native wildlife from being wiped out. it's relatively tranquil and the rain forest in the south of the central african republic that hasn't always been the case but the war has shifted to other regions now guerrilla expert terence food was one of the few people who remained in after the area was overrun in twenty thirteen. and ever thought he had a new to put excited. there with him which as a confirmed he done succeeded to get here went. away for escaping and kitted out of the five and unless it is all his place was just
a what and how because of. the unique wildlife and is still thriving thanks in part to generous financial support particularly from germany. some two thousand gorillas still live in the park for the most part undisturbed. is a source of income for the population. they have a staff of sixty people. in this mine for additional days and sixty people stephanie sixty. six feet is like i'm going to turn. so we think that the people are the benefit. more than twelve hundred wild elephants also living. in the middle of the rain forest is a clearing the animals are attracted to the mineral salts in the soil. for the past
year luis out on has been working here for the world wildlife fund for nature he's had many years of experience dealing with nature conservation in crisis regions. elephants are a favorite target for poachers. the animals and the clearing are restless. can't top that. without i took that part but if they think it's a tough call for my body to take that body stop. last year twenty one elephants were killed by poachers that's not many compared to other countries in africa confiscated weapons and tusks are put an authorized storage. she's one of the biggest because it's yourself. each.
one for the fortune. batons has spent thirty seven years working as a conservationist in africa and during that time he's observed help elephants are gradually disappearing from the continent. let's have a fun and duffy is here we we have we out there is all the empty their porches hafiz with all of the we know that in the few do they will come here and they will try to eat our elephants so we have to be really different from them. even though rangers patrol the park they don't have enough weapons and ammunitions to ward off the professional poachers the situation is similar in the rest of africa. there are . a lot of people and that these diprotodon people buying the things that only the elephant had. a lot of people. did for that.
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housekeeping. most nights the rest so i don't have to deal with all that stress anymore before when i was receiving unemployment benefits i had to register regularly at the job center to prove that i was actively looking for work. on me in . quite a burden. i mean. in the northern finnish city of old who got gokhan and also receives a basic income he's been out of work for four years after his company shut its offices here the computer scientist eventually realized that he was too old for young startups and too long out of the business to be offered a programming position now he wants to be self-employed the basic income provides him with a safety net. if there are a lot but when i worked in the i.t. sector salaries were quite good. and i know being self-employed comes with risks
but i've wanted to be my own boss for a long time and now i have the opportunity. to. see then and go he's chosen a new career path selling luxury chocolate is his business idea yako offers his exclusive products just specialty shops and shopping malls he even imports some of them from germany. online he set up an internet shop to increase sales in his small business your statement of why if you only want to sit at home on your sofa the basic income allows you to continue to be lazy and stop looking for a job. but what if there are more people like me who i want to work and it's very motivating me if i want to buy my young go is giving himself a year to make his chocolate business profitable one thing is clear to him in
finland you can't make ends meet with the basic income alone. the finnish government isn't ready to release an interim assessment of the pilot program officials want to wait until the trial wraps up at the end of twenty eighteen to say how the two thousand test recipients used the basic income it could play an important role in future societies if there are radical changes in the working world. so it's unclear how the job market will develop in the future well it's possible that automation could mean there aren't enough jobs for everyone to him and then we'll have to consider how to overhaul our social security system and. you how yet everyone still has big plans and since he began receiving the unconditional basic income his creative drive has blossomed.
together with some friends he wants to buy this vacant cultural center they want to call the project are the envy. you got once artists to move in and work at the center he's passionate about his idea but he and his friends don't have the money to turn it into reality yet still he remains optimistic and commodity divisions drive the whole world to develop and there should be as many of them as possible you have to have a hundred wild ideas and the end to remain that work and they move us forward that . you have yet to be in in things the basic income is a real innovation. and he believes it would be a shame to get rid of it after the two year trial. there are around one point three million cars and trucks on our planet but only around two million of them have an electric motor that was still too few charging stations in operation plus the cost of the vehicles is too high for many.
nonetheless the number of electric vehicles is forecast to hit forty million by twenty twenty five not soon enough for some of them all green minded citizens of mexico. it's clear weather but a blanket of smog flies over mexico city five million cars travel through the vast urban center every day even though the bad areas culpable it seems no one here wants to give up driving. when i had so many cars too bad they pollute so much the point why don't you have an electric car. my husband really wants to buy one hopefully we can get one soon. like but there's not enough choice. they're so expensive. there are too few charging stations but where there's a will there's a way heck to ruiz has packed fourteen batteries under the hood of his converted
electric beetle and we're taking it out for a spin and the car is quiet hum is quickly drowned out as we dive into rush hour in the mexican capital and are indulged in exhaust fumes. i even had to go to a specialist because i developed a nasty a problem because i've been living in such a poisonous city for fifteen years. who needs an expensive new car that will go two hundred kilometers an hour if you spend most of your time stuck in traffic ruis had his car converted to meet his true needs. q so what kind of a range does your car have to quit the fifty kilometers. fifty kilometers that's nothing . it's really not worth it as it. says it is worth it i never drive more than twenty five or thirty kilometers a day. if he had stronger batteries the electric beetle could
go much further but really it doesn't care if. he paid forty five hundred euros for his electric drive to this man i thought oh dear love has the mechanic converts cars with diesel or gasoline engines into electric vehicles a mini like this one requires a lot more battery power than the bug deal of hers is self taught your good looks like all the others i'm pretty proud of it all for free. jill a post says converting conventional cars is quick saves resources and costs just a fraction of what a new electric car would cost us and i love it and it's to our advantage if we use what's already been made turned it into something that could still be used but without the negative side effects feel better. if the state were to subsidize not just the price of newly cars but also conversions he says everyone could happen electric vehicle for as little as three thousand euros and filipinas
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didn't have any family to live with other people from my village i'm just going to work out a teacher from the village tells us that her mother was taken by the rebels lucy hasn't heard from her since everyone else and her family is dead. stories like lucy's are not uncommon. but letting the man lead one morning they came to our village but they had really big guns and started shooting at everything in sight they even killed children i ran away with my family and came to this camp last year as we watch the. after school we accompany a kid back to his new home in the refugee camp. only his grandfather is there to greet him. it's very hard to survive here there's not much aid and we no longer have fields to plant things to eat only god can help us. the camp went up
a year ago practically overnight after an armed group attacked the christian district of the city seeking protection the people there fled to u.n. troops stationed nearby. cargo bondo is a divided city the small river that flows through its geographic center serves as the border the center in the northern districts is in the hands of the muslim rebel militia called select cong the southern districts are occupied by their largely christian opponents known as the. many houses are deserted here next to that are the un barracks the cagr refugee camp grew up next to its protective fence. the blue helmets took up positions on the city's only bridge in an attempt to keep the two warring sides apart but the raids continue there are around twelve thousand five hundred u.n. soldiers in the country only
a few residents have dared to return to their homes florentine don betty lives in a hut built amidst the wreckage of his former farm which was destroyed by the sun a calm. if you don't want to move the country you can't sleep here anymore yeah woman was robbed here yesterday this and someone robbed her of twenty five thousand francs so i spoke with the authorities about the security situation here it's not safe in this part of the city the. security that you don't need to do has worked for unicef in the central african republic for years the congo bonder a camp is just one of many in the country she says and things are getting worse. the humanitarian needs are increasing sadly more and more people are under attack are i.d.p.'s we are now we have six hundred sauza and people who are internally displaced within the country which is what it was at the peak of the crisis in twenty fourteen so there's still
a lot to do among the refugees tens of thousands of children who were taken up by armed groups the u.n. is trying to liberate as many as possible from the warlords and rebels but many struggle to reintegrate into society. many of the girls were kept for years as sex slaves. for you so i won't be there i was twelve and lived in bondi of them was an armed group and forced me to go with them. since then i've lived around here i'm seventeen now it was terrible the link up and you know i saw and did the most awful things as a single life i had all those years i knew it was no life at all. i says tell you something. i'm going. there is no safe haven for children in this environment of violence. at least there's a playground in the camp but the legacy of war is unmistakable even here.
sometimes a kill spends time with other children in the camp in the afternoon. but nothing is like it used to be. you know i'll concede to see you saying i had a good life in my village i had lots of friends we had a lot of fun together. we had school lessons under the big tree in the evenings we sang and danced in the moonlight but that's all gone. so you know many of my friends are dead. and the others are in refugee camps. lucy and akio share a similar fate and they now face a highly uncertain future. and as it stands now a peaceful solution between the warring parties seems unlikely. the central african republic has a population of just five million but it total area almost twice the size of
germany which should make it an ideal place for wild animals to thrive from congo bandura our reporter yogen schneider traveled further south to the sangar special reserve. that he met activists who are doing all they can to keep the native wildlife from being wiped out. it's relatively tranquil and the rain forest in the south of the central african republic that hasn't always been the case but the war has shifted to other regions now guerrilla expert terence food was one of the few people who remained in after the area was overrun in twenty thirteen. i never thought he had alluded to put excited. there with some porch as i came from he done and succeeded to get here went by way for escaping one kid at the other and and i said it's
all just almost now because of. the unique wildlife and is still thriving thanks in part to generous financial support particularly from germany. some two thousand gorillas still live in the park for the most part undisturbed. is a source of income for the population. you have to start off sixty people. in a smaller fish like these and paying sixty people stephanie says to us it's like feeding i think entity to me. so we can get the people the benefit. more than twelve hundred wild elephants also live in sun goes on. in the middle of the rain forest is a clearing the animals are attracted to the mineral salts in the soil. for the past
year luis out on says been working here for the world wildlife fund for nature he's had many years of experience dealing with nature conservation in crisis regions. elephants are a favorite target for poachers. the animals in the clearing are rust less. we've got to i don't i mean without the time to stop it but but if there is a tough week off i party to. stop all kinds of. last year twenty one elephants were killed by poachers that's not many compared to other countries in africa confiscated weapons and tusks are put an authorized storage. she's one of the biggest because it's you know seventeen going each.
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life with my family and my parents going to school and surfing with them. so when i'm out riding a big wave and go under i sometimes think i'll never find my way out that's really scary. you know a lot of. terrorism . hitman. all the violence robberies and murders. go. i'd like to become a doctor or a primary school teacher. if i want to teach children and save lives.
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the sound of the drum has to be adjusted a little before it's completely finished you how you had to be in and knows that from experience you hand cards made to order sharman drums one at a time. right now i'm trying to make as many drums as possible to earn as much money as i can one. but handmade goods always take more time and it's not mass production so as a business so it isn't very lucrative business and. you have is grateful that he's now allowed to keep the seven hundred euros he charges for each instrument in the past his additional earnings were deducted from his unemployment benefits you high as one of two thousand unemployed finn's receiving a universal basic income of five hundred sixty euros without restrictions besides making drums the artist says he can now also devote more time to his children and
housekeeping. most nights the rest so i don't have to deal with all that stress anymore before when i was receiving unemployment benefits and i had to register regularly at the job center yet to prove that i was actively looking for work. on in. quite a burden. i mean that in the northern finnish city of new york kolkata and also receives a basic income he's been out of work for four years after his company shut its offices here the computer scientist eventually realised that he was too old for young startups and too long out of the business to be offered a programming position now he wants to be self-employed the basic income provides him with a safety net. if there are a lot but when i worked in the i.t. sector salaries were quite good and i know being self-employed comes with risks but
i've wanted to be my own boss for a long time and now i have the opportunity. she didn't go he's chosen a new career path selling luxury chocolate is his business idea yako offers his exclusive products just specialty shops in shopping malls he even imports some of them from germany. online he set up an internet shop to increase sales in his small business your statement of wine if you only want to sit at home on your sofa the basic income allows you to continue to be lazy stop looking for a job. well that if there are more people like me who i want to work on it's very motivating me if i want to buy my young go is giving himself a year to make his chocolate business profitable one thing is clear to him in
finland you can't make ends meet with the basic income alone. the finnish government isn't ready to release an interim assessment of the pilot program officials want to wait until the trial wraps up at the end of twenty eighteen to say how the two thousand test recipients use the basic income that could play an important role in future societies if there are radical changes in the working world. so it's unclear how the job market will develop in the future well it's possible that automation could mean there aren't enough jobs for everyone and then we'll have to consider how to overhaul our social security system and. you how yet again and still has big plans and since he began receiving the unconditional basic income his creative drive has blossomed. together with some
friends he wants to buy this vacant cultural center they want to call the project are the envy. you got once artists to move in and work at the center he's passionate about his idea but he and his friends don't have the money to turn it into reality yet still he remains optimistic and a model innovations drive the whole world to develop and there should be as many of them as possible you have to have a hundred wild ideas in the end to remain that work and they move us forward and. you have yet to be in in things the basic income is a real innovation. and he believes it would be a shame to get rid of it after the two year trial. there are around one point three billion cars and trucks on our planet but any around two million of them have an electric motor that risk builds who few charging stations in operation plus the cost of the vehicles is too high for many.
nonetheless the number of electric vehicles is forecast to hit forty million by twenty twenty five not soon enough for some of them all green minded citizens of mexico. it's clear weather but a blanket of smog flies over mexico city five million cars travel through the fast urban center every day even though the bad air is culpable it seems no one here wants to give up driving. the one hundred so many cars too bad they pollute so much people and why don't you have an electric car. i know you've been really wants to buy one hopefully we can get one soon. like but there's not enough choice. the choice grants are. there are too few charging stations but where there's a will there's a way hectored ruiz has packed fourteen batteries under the hood of his converted
electric b.t.w. beetle. we're taking it out for a spin and the car is quiet hum is quickly drowned out as we dive into rush hour in the mexican capital and are engulfed in exhaust fumes. i even had to go to a specialist because i developed an asthma problem because i've been living in such a poisonous city for fifteen years. who needs an expensive new car that will go two hundred kilometers an hour if you spend most of your time stuck in traffic ruiz had his car converted to meet his true needs. these are what kind of a range does your car have to cut by fifty kilometers. fifty kilometers that's nothing. it's really not worth it it as. it is worth i never drive more than twenty five or thirty kilometers a day. if he had stronger batteries the electric beetle could
go much further but really it doesn't care. he paid forty five hundred euros for his electric drive to this man i thought odell a pass the mechanic converts cars with diesel or gasoline engines into electric vehicles a mini like this one requires a lot more battery power than the bug deal of hers is self taught. looks like all the others i'm pretty proud of it. dillard says converting conventional cars is quick saves resources and costs just a fraction of what a new electric car would cost us and i love that it's to our advantage if we use what's already been made turned it into something that could still be used but without the negative side effects. if the state were to subsidize not just the price of newly cars but also conversions he says everyone could happen electric vehicle for as little as three thousand euros and telepaths
hasn't needed a big lab or testing grounds to make it work. here we write down everything we planned and learned so we don't forget a lot of good not going to be that of how to build the batteries. the mechanisms work. how we set them up and we get it may look a yogic but it's what's going on in our heads if you're going to go the fifty eight year old has been experimenting for around a decade his dream making it possible for nearly any driver to convert a car rather than leaving electro mobility to the lucky few who can afford to buy an expensive new model. little driver had to rule as was initially a customer but now he's turned into a partner those who really want to protect the environment don't have to wait for the car industry to finally come through. and over the last been talking about electric cars since the one nine hundred eighty s.
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former trump campaign chairman paul manafort is on trial. charges predate the trump campaign but could have ramifications for the campaign if he is convicted and could face up to 10 years. let's take a look at some evidence presented by the special counsel against paul manafort. case stands on two basic legs. one that manafort made tens of millions working for ukrainian politicians and russian oligarchs that he never paid taxes on and two that he took out fraudulent loans from u.s. banks. manafort spent upward of there is 14 million to buy several properties in alexandria, virginia, landscaping, housekeeping and home improvements done to boost the value of the homes. then allegedly inflated his worth on loan applications like this one, taking out even more money.
as the specialty counsel put it, he created cash out of thin air. he spent more than $1.4 million at clothing stores in new york and and -- beverly hills. this is a python jacket, $18,000 jacket. and, by the way, that's not all. i'm going to swipe this over to the next one so you can see what a $15,000 ostrich jacket looks like. here's the problem. everybody can live whatever lifestyle they want but this one was nearly tax free. joining knme now live outside t court. ken, good to see you. you've been out there. outside there since the beginning of this trial. what's the early take on how it's going? >> reporter: well, you never now how a jury is processing this, but the evidence from where i
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column about this -- that the government in this case, wants a win badly. that's why they charge crimes like tax perjury, lighter burden, easier to prove and even with all of this documentary evidence, this overwhelming avalanche of data against paul manafort in black and white, they still trot in the evidence of this lifestyle just to put the final cherry on the top. >> ken, the judge had some issue with photographs of things that described paul manafort's lav vish lifestyle. >> there were photos of closets full of suits and expensive renovations. judge is keeping them out because he says it's unfair. paul manafort's not on trial for being rich. overnight, the mueller team filed a brief arguing that the judge is wrong about that and they do have more latitude to
put in the evidence. judge rejected that and said he's not going to allow it unless manafort argues something that requires a rebuttal. then he might let some in. >> you looked a bit at the opening statement. is there something in there that could be bad for the defense? or special prosecutor? >> no. quite the opposite. there could be something bad for the defense. defense focused its opening statement, which is a preview of the defense's case, on the fact that rick gates is a lying liar. his pants are on fire. that's the idea. and if the government can, as they intimated this week, if they can make their case without rick gates at all, then the defense's case goes out with a whimper because they focussed so much time on rick gates as an unreliable witness. the government takes a risk if it does not call rick gates, because gates is authenticate a lot of these documents, and also, he's coup the rating witness who can walk in and
point the finger at manafort and say that's the guy i did the crimes with. government also realizes that cooperating witnesses have major credibility problems because in most cases they are admitted criminals on the stand saying i lied in the past, but this i swear i'm telling the truth. >> thanks for this analysis. looks like we're getting closer to a sit-down between president trump and robert mueller. new reports say he's pushing for an interview and mueller could be narrowing the scope of the questions. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... ...commanded armies... ...yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com.
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president trump is reportedly pushing for an interview with robert mueller against the advice of his legal team. believing he can convince the investigators the probe is a witch hunt. president's lawyer says mueller esteem is aefrg of offering to limit to two main topic areas, collusion and construction. let's not forget the president's tweet on tuesday, collusion is not a crime. but that doesn't matter because there was no collusion, september by crooked hillary and the democrats. let's take a look at what we're dealing with when talking about collusion and obstruction. according to miriam webster collusion is a secret a i agreement or -- deceitful
purpose. word is being used as a sort of catchall term. he's only technically right when he saying it's not criminal. legal experts say under u.s. code collusion is federal crime only applicable under antitrust law. that is a collaborative agreement usually secret among roo rivals. basically it's price fixing and bid rigging. but what is a crime is conspiracy. under the federal conspiracy statute a crime is committed when two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the united states or to defraud the united states or any agency thereof in in any manner or any purpose. robert mueller has already use thd against paul manafort. obstruction, one of the topics mueller wants to talk to trump about. according to part of title 18 of the u.s. code, someone obstructs
when they corruptly or by threats of force endeavor to influence intimidate or impede the due administration of justice. accusations of obstruction came fast. after trump tweeted this is a terrible situation. attorney general jeff sessions should stop this now before it continues to stain our countriny further. his lawyer, rudy giuliani denied this was evidence of obstruction. >> >> it's an continue. he used a medium that he uses for opinions. twitter. one of the good things about using that is he's established a clear sort of practice now that he expresses his opinions on twitter. he used word should. he didn't used word must. and there was no presidential directive that followed it. he didn't direct to do it and he's not going to direct him to do it. >> joining me former assistant watergate prosecutor. there's so much to unpack. first of all, the white house
said that the tweets are presidential opinions. this is a new category we've never heard of before yesterday. but they are not to be thought of as instruction or direction. even though he's the head of the executive branch. >> i don't buy into that argument at all. his words matter, and his words, whether they're expressed z on twitter or in a speech, carry consequences. and it's silly to be arguing about did he carefully select a word, should do it, instead of must do it? when your boss says you should do something, you know that if you don't do it, you're going to lose your job. and so, to me, you used words in defining this as influence or intimidate, clearly this it is an attempt to influence and intimidate someone into doing something. all of president's words recently, have been to influence
or intimidate the entire investigation to undermine the mueller investigation, and think we ought to stop calling it the mueller investigation. weal ought to be calling it the russia investigation and we shouldn't allow the president to determine the words we use. he used the word collusion. word is conspiracy. conspiracy to commit a crime, and collusion is simply a s synonym for that. if the best argument he has is a semantic one, he's going to lose. >> what about rudy jewgiuliani' comments? walking it back, having the white house say it's not really what he meant, having rudy giuliani going on and saying it's no the what he meant. to some degree does that help the president that he's one big dust ball of confusion? >> i don't think anyone wants a president who's just simply one
big dust ball. we'd like a president who speaks clearly and says what he means. his history on twitter, by the way, of course includes him hiring and firing people by twitter. and giving orders by twitter. he abolished or tried to abolish don't ask, don't tell, and some of the other gender integration issues for the military on twitter. he certainly twittered about immigration in a way that were orders he intends to carry out. i don't think we should be arguing about whether he meant should or must. i think he intended clearly to disrupt this investigation. in the same way he sent messages to the jury in the manafort trial that his friend was a good man who had worked for ronald reagan and was a darling, i think he used the word darling. i think these are things that should not be allowed. there is a judge in new york, judge bu
judge -- who has ruled the twitter account is a public domain and he cannot block people from it. >> which speaks to the idea it is official and when he says things on it, it's no the mere opinion. now that mueller has apparently agreed to marrow the range of topics and offer trump the chance to give written answers, what do you think the strategy is? >> i don't know that the president will ever actually sit down. this may all be for show for his audience that oh, i really want to do this. and that he will ever actually agree to sit down. but i also don't really think the prosecutors need him, because he is obstructing in plain sight. he is communicating openly. normally we have to either get wired conversations, recordings of them, or someone who will testify that the president said something. in this case, we are all witnessing in the same way that we witnessed what he said when
he was with putin in that press conference. to me, that was a clear case of his cooperation with russia, and his sub serve yens to russia and i think we ought to take at face value the things we actually see and not listen to him when he says don't pay attention. 0 don't believe what you see and hear. those were his words. i believe what i see and hear. >> jill, always great to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, president trump's trade war is hurting americans but the president keeps saying it's helping the country and now he could increase tariffs on china to 25%. what that means for the things you buy everyday. take a look at the markets by the way. dow is down about half a per cent, s&p down less. nz by the w nasdaq is up. apple nearing a $1 trillion valuation. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. i'm alex trebek here to tell you
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>> it was a low point for me as well. i feel very strongly about that, and i am very vehemently against family separation. and the separation of parents and children. >> according to the latest i.c.e. report, as of july 26, 1820 of the 2551 children age 5 and above have been reunified with the parents or sponsors. that means 731 have not been. government has said up to 463 parents might have been deported without the children. an employee at a facility is facing molestation and sexual abuse charges. phoen phoenix police say the 32-year-old admitted to the accusations of inappropriately touching a girl in our bedroom. win of the roommates reported the allegations to police. houston police named a suspect and possible motive in the murder of a well known doctor,
mark hausknecht. they're searching for pappas. they said he had a grudge against the doctor. he is considered armed an dangerous. the epa says the wildfires are exposing the state to unhealthy air. 17 major wildfires are currently raging across california. president trump is escalating his efforts to bring china to the negotiating table on a new trade deal proposing to raise tariffs on chinese goods to 25%. they would target $200 billion. china retaliated with sweeping tariffs on a range of u.s. good, soy beans, corn, tobacco and whiskey. it could force companies to cut costs. they could lead to as loss of
more than 450 jobs. so what do americans think of these tariffs? >> a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows only 26% believe that the tariffs will help the united states. joining us now is a former u.s. trade representative and former mayor of dallas. ron kirk. thank you for being with us. >> always good to be with you. >> thank you, sir. we just heard from the secretary of commerce, wilbur ross on fox business on this new potential hike. excalation of this with china. let's listen to what he said and we can discuss it on the other side. >> well, the reason for the tariffs to begin with was to try to convince the chinese to modify their behavior. instead, they've been retaliating. so the president now feels that it's potentially time to put more pressure on in order to
modify their behavior. >> secretary, is this a good way to do this? i think we can argue agree ther issues with the way china behaves on the world stage as is relates to trade and protection of intellectual property and other matters. but we have ourselves in a trade war with mexico, canada and the united states. >> we do not, and as you corrected noted, china's behavior under the rules of the world trade organization have been problematic for some time, but it shouldn't go unspoken that previous administrations have engaged china on this. when i was privilege to serve as u.s. trade representative for president obama, we sued china ten times and successfully, on a number of these matters, but one of the reasons we were successful is we were able to engage those allies that we are
now in a separate trade spat with from mexico and anna da and the european union to jointly come to the table and try to encourage china to improve their behavior. one reason we didn't just go to sort of the blunt tool of tariff threats is that the cost is ultimately borne by u.s. consumers and businesses and workers. as we've seen in case after case, whether it was the tariffs on steel, or the threatened tariffs again the european union, it was american businesses and farmers that have screamed the loudest. and what concerns us now is to get to the next level of tariffs that president trump has threatened, the overwhelming negative impact of that will be on american families and american consumers. >> the government is, i think coming up with $11 billion or $12 forfarmers. but if you take all the losses,
looking agent $39 billion without the new excalation to china. how do you weigh that? we've been out there talking to farmers. our reporters have been out there and many are willing to stand by the president for a little while. they feel there's a lot of unfairness in trade and they are feel the press's talking tough on their behalf but a lot live on razor thin margins. >> they do. again, one of the reasons we didn't just go to that because most countries, always respond against agriculture first. and look, i think any time we invite a tariff war, it ultimately is going to hurt us. but, your average farmer is frankly, not boeing or caterpillar. they can't sustain these ridiculous retaliatory tariffs and loss of market share beyond more than a few months, because then they're out of business. so, i think it's a very blunt tool that might give some short
term affect, but nothing's funny about this, i can't imagine president obama having unilaterally said we're going to throw $12 billion to the auto industry, without our republican friends and congress screaming bloody murder about what that's doing to the deficits. fact is that interethis preside wants to be rewarded for putting out a fire he started. there are simply more thoughtful ways to try to engage with china, and correctly get them to address their behavior. that was one of the principal reasons we decided to become a part of the trans-pacific partnership because it would have extended the u.s. rules, in particularly for intellectual property rights protection throughout southeast asia and sort of blocked china in. but as you know the president came in and took that off the table. as he subsequently did with the
propose the trade greemtd with the european union, and then now, he reaches the brilliant observation that perhaps we should have a tariff-free trade agreement with the european union which we were well on our way to negotiating. >> good to see you as always. ron kirk. thanks i sir. >> thanks for having me with you. four american cities now suing president trump. coming up, we'll talk to one of the mayors claiming the president is violating the constitution. it's time for our monumental americans. today, it's the 55 unknown american troops who died in the korean war whose remains were turned over by north korea and were finally returned to american soil. 55 caskets draped in american flags were received in hawaii by vice president mike pence and other dignitaries and by dozens of veterans. they will under go forensic analysis by the department in effort to establish the identities of the heros.
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have health care. that's a problem for all the cities and all the states and this country. we can't continue to call ourselves the greatest country in the world when we don't even provide health care for the individuals who live in our country. you think about reproductive health care, you think about hiv and aids. this is unconscionable. we've joined the lawsuit. we know other cities will join as well because as these costs st sky rocket, cities have to cover it. >> have you to have standing in order to join a lawsuit and your standing is that your city is suffering as a result of these decisions to undercut obamacare. >> absolutely. and just as i just pointed out, 17,000 individuals last year that our fire department at to respond to taking them he to health care stilts and they don't have health care. as a result. that's uncompensated care we
have to take care of. we don't turn people away. we try to take care of them. this is a cost cities cannot afford to bear. >> what does success look like for you today? what does skrvictory look like terms of obamacare? >> what is looks like is what the initial protocol was for obamacare. i call it the aca, affordable care act. that was provide opportunities for people to get health care, to advertise those opportunities and promote them. what we saw in the states were robust rolls increasing with people applying for the affordable care opportunities that were made available to them. now that we've sort of kind of slowed it down, not promoting it or advertising it, no the enforcing it, and now we're driving up the cost. and people cannot afford the costs that are being driven up by the acts of the trump administration. >> mayor thank you for joining
me. joining three other cities in a lawsuit against the trump administration. next up, the trump administration going after fuel efficiency standards, proposing a freeze. the white house says it would keep drivers safer and cut the price of cars. we'll ex-complaplain what it wi really do. you go out and you want to buy grocery, you need a picture on a card. you need id. >> no, you don't. unless you're buying your groceries at a strip club. i'll take a bag of the chicken wings. trump has no idea how daily life work force the average american. i need an id to buy groceries and sometimes they don't fit in your helicopter. and your butler has to ride over in the second helicopter. you guys get it. i don't know why i'm telling you
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i want to reintroduce you to jane. jane bought her car a few years ago for $33,000. gets about 24 miles per gallon. she drives 5 days a week and fills up every other week. in 10 years, by 2025, it's time to buy a new car. under current standards the car would get over 50 miles per h r gallon. she would only have to fill up once every month and a half. now, under new proposed standards, that car would now cost jane much less. of the but here's the kicker. she could still be filling up at least once a month. this is one example of a consumer. truth is markets and technology are already heading in this direction. all standards aside. joining me is nbc news chief environmental affairs correspondent ann thompson who has just gotten off the fine with the department of transportation and the epa to
try to make sense of this. talk to me about what the real life impact of this is. >> the real life impact, the trump administration is saying they're going to save. that will save you about $2340 on the cost of the new car. reality is you will also be buying cars that use more gas, and put more greenhouse gas emissions into the air. so, it's -- it will cost you more at the pump and also put more of the emissions into the atmosphere that fuel climate change. >> so what degree are people like jane in our example, like everybody who buys a new car, even the same type as before. generally getting one that has high efficiency fuel standard the. some driven by technology or high-ish gas prices, people worried about the fact if they own a car for 10 years prices might go higher. to what government does the
government, these obama standards have? >> remember, these were enacted when gm and chrysler had filed for bankruptcy so the government had the car companies where they wanted them. and they enacted these and since they've enacted these, fuel cars have become more fuel efficient. would they have without government standards? i'm no the so sure. detroit is all about the bottom line. that's the most important thing. >> so detroit's more interested in selling cars at a lower price and letting the consumer worry about how much gas they put in the car. >> yes. >> but the gas is in many cases a bigger variable than the price of the car. >> and because gas prices are now at historic lows people have chosen to buy bigger car, suvs, light trucks that are now more fuel efficient. >> ford is a great example. they made an aluminum pickup truck. >> f-150. >> still the best selling vehicle. it has what's called an
econo-boost engine. will people move toward lower fuel efficiency if not forced to buy higher? >> they will move to whatever they like best at that moment. and that is now because nobody -- gas prices are not top of mind as they once were, let's say five or six years ago. they have moved to more suv's, more light trucks as opposed to those compact car that is become all the rage when gas prices go absurdly high. >> the administration's making a very unusual safety argument here. what is that? >> they are. what they say is this will make the roads safer because new cars will be cheaper under these standards, therefore people will buy new cars more often and that will get the new cars on the road that have the best technology to protect you and to
protect the environment. that's their argument. wild card in all of this? california. because in doing this, the administration wants to rekrind the waiver that allows california to send its own emission standard the. governor tweeted and says we will fight this stupid idea in every way possible. 19 attorneys general around the country are promising to sue the trump administration over this. we are about to see an environmental civil war in this country over these rollbacks. >> thanks very much for your reporting. we're 96 days away from the midterms leading up to the election. we'll be talking with some of the underdogs. i'll speak with the tal la hassy mayor running to be florida's governor. president lobbying for --
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we're 96 days away from the midterm elections. we here at "velshi & ruhle" want to highlight the underdogs. today we're looking at the race for florida's governor, specifically the democratic primary, just a month away. there are five candidates including a former congresswoman. they're all worth mega millions, except for one, tallahassee mayor andrew gillum. he comes in fourth in the latest round of polling but he just got a boost, an endorsement by former presidential hopeful bernie sanders, who tweeted if part yesterday, gillum will work for medicare for all, invest in sustainable energy, raise the minimum wage. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me, and thank you for reminding everybody that i'm the only candidate who is not a millionaire. >> one of the candidates, jeff
greene, is worth modern $1 billion. >> it's true, i've told my wife she just has to tolerate that fact. the truth is i'm unafraid by that. money doesn't vote, people do. and over the last day, with senator bernie sanders' endorsement, the energy that we're getting out on the street, the fact that the little resources that we do have are now hitting the street with television ads and canvassers on doorsteps. we're doing what we think is going to be necessary in order to pull this win out on august 28th. >> let's talk about the issues in florida. according to a recent poll by "usa today," the most important issue among floridians, the economy. school safety, understandably, is the second most important, and the environment coming in at 11.8%. south florida in particular has a good understanding of rising water levels and things like that. the unemployment rate in florida is a little lower than the national average, 3.8%. so how do you sell yourself here? >> i'll tell you, the unemployment rate doesn't tell the whole story. the fact is that in my state,
under rick scott, 44% of the people, working people in my state say they cannot make ends meet at the end of the month. many of them are working harder than ever and still can't pull down a wage where they can take care of themselves and their families. that unemployment number doesn't surprise me. what might surprise some is that many people are working two or three jobs in order to make ends meet. that's not my vision of a good robust economy. in this state we have algae blooms flowing out of the east and west side of this state due to the dereliction of duty on behalf of our governor and the republican leadership. and we've also obviously got to tend to the real issues around school safety and gun safety. i know a little bit about it, having been sued by the nra and the gun lobby twice all over a proposal that we refuse to repeal an ordinance that says you can't shoot guns in city parks, that you can't shoot guns in parks where kids play and
families picnic. the good news is we beat them not once but twice. i would love to have taken it to the supreme court if they wanted to continue the suit. there are a lot of issues that confront the state after 20 years of republican control. but we have a chance this year to flip florida blue. i believe we're going to do it by having a candidate who has the ability to inspire more of our voters to come out and vote. we lost the last two races for governor by less than a point. we can make up that difference this november. i believe i'm the best candidate to make that happen. >> you're a radical, you don't want people shooting guns in public parks. >> totally radical, man. we're also dealing with this arcane, ridiculous stand your ground law which you've highlighted on your network with marquise mclaughlin. it doesn't make sense. it encourages vigilanteism. we need to remove stand your ground from the books in florida. >> andrew gillum, thank you for being with us today. >> thank you for having me, be
we will. >> andrew gillum is the mayor of tallahassee. back to our breaking news, apple just hit $1 trillion in value. cnbc's dominic chu joins me now. hey, dom, this is a first. >> this is a first. years from now, or months from now, when a "jeopardy" answer comes up, what is apple, the answer is a $1 trillion company. it's notable right now because it hit that mark and that was the high price so far today. from there it is now lower than that particular level. what this signals for apple is this is a company that's been reliant on selling smartphones like iphones for the bulk of the last decade. it's now moving more away from that although it still sells a lot of them. it's now growing its services businesses, that's itunes, the app store, things like that. that's now a $9.6 billion a quarter business for apple.
a lot of investors are at least optimistic that that services business for apple can continue growing. that growth is what's propelling this valuation back up to the $1 trillion mark. the first ever company on the s&p to get there, ali. >> major markets often move in lockstep. for the last couple of days we've seen it do otherwise. you're seeing the nasdaq higher, tech stocks are higher on this news, on this hopefulness that technology continues to grow. we haven't topped out with these $1,000 phones. the dow continues to be lower on trade wars but tech stocks are doing a little bit better. dom, thank you for joining us on this new news that apple is now a $1 trillion company. amazon not too far behind. that brings it to an end for us. thanks for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." i'm back at 3:00 p.m. eastern and 6:00 p.m. eastern for "the beat." now it's time to hand it over to andrea mitchell for "andrea mitchell reports." coming up, the president
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stand the inhabitants poverty. poverty forces hundreds of thousands of men to work abroad. women have to raise their children on their own and care for the elderly as well. but. the kush to back families farmyard twelve year old i cross helps with the housekeeping the album has to be heated flour for bread dough costs money which i can and sounds husband sends he walks thousands of kilometers away in russia. you know if my husband came back who'd help us who'd give us money
we have to finish renovating the house my son still has to study. her husband has lived with her eldest daughter in a cattle in book for eight years i care and so also worked there for a time the fact that she has to take care of the family on her own in the village has made her more self-reliant. how can this be good nothing about it is good if only everything were normal if we lived together. the children are already grown. knew how many years have they spent without their father. and they only talk on the phone with him they miss him so. that's especially true in the long winter months temperatures can fall to ten below zero celsius wood is used for heating delayed bag her eldest son
doesn't talk much. the only thing i envy is some families their children are to shy is mine if you tell them to dance they dance order. at thirty five she's married but a single mother she lives with the pressure of having to do the right thing as a parent and the children often ask after their father splash and they don't ask just now and then but every day my boy is already big one of the girls aren't yet but they all ask when's papa coming at new year's or not. he should come back and live here the children think we'd be able to live without money. the players are supposed to be. but i can't and star is a realist is the m.o. he came back to us who'd help us then. i don't think we'd starve if he came.
up but it's hard to live here there's no work the market is far away. we have nothing to sell. but other than. the oven has to be really hard before they can bake their bread and that takes time . part of the time when it's hard enough every day she tries to see her husband on the internet often in vain. you know in connection with the connection is weak because they're surrounded by mountains. or. when she can get a video connection i can't and sar shows her husband the children as well. husband works as a caretaker in russia he earns much more than he can in kurdistan like him many
relatives and neighbors have moved to russia. or. yes look doesn't. back inside her sixty four year old mother in law is pursuing her favorite activity embroidery that helps earn a little extra money she can't live on her pension alone and she can't help with the housekeeping as much as she used to her legs hurt she hopes her son and granddaughter will return soon. as they get there so they won't stay in russia they'll come back and take care of me. she's less worried about money than that all of her relatives will leave the village and she'll be here alone. there. who are going to fall oh dear. a little. closer to war.
seven months old i be cute needs changing. the palace she has to sleep now. so let's get ready. how many families in the village have five or more children there a way of providing for their old age the baby is swaddled in cloth according to age old tradition and a small wooden drainage pipe keeps a dry nappies are too expensive. they eat when they're all together they make everything themselves bread vegetable hard part stewed fruit tea. without
a father in this patriarchal islamic influences citing the fifteen year old daughter beck has to act as man of the house. when we still lived together with papa we went hunting in the mountains and worked in the fields we did everything together the initiative also though he had to say. after the meal the boys take care of the cows says their father used to the children talk about what it would be like to live in russia. he is now i don't know. but it's good to live together whether in russia or here. i care and sorry go shopping when her eldest daughter visits her they shop together . porson know what i want my daughter to study in your cattle rittenberg and get a russian passport. as if there's nothing here this is
just the mountains and we sit around. in the village she meets a friend. whose husband also works in russia like so many men from the surrounding villages today they go in shopping together. if you. keep her ways out rice for her asking how many kilos she needs. then she rounds it up giving her a bit more for all. i care and sorrow and saw fear leave the shop i karen's our remarks on how cold it is
and says she's going home is all fair invites her to come over and drink a cup of tea with her and her family before she dies. to give. his office husband went to work in russia six months ago she has six children she and some money with her washing machine but it's not enough to feed her family. i need money we have to pay off the loan every quarter we have to pay thirteen thousand and some about two hundred euros right now everything's good a normal four of my children live in town and go to school there everything's fine with us we can't complain there's always.
via and i can't and aren't isolated cases like their husbands eight hundred thousand caregivers men work in russia and send the equivalent of two billion euros a year back home it's the country's most important source of income for half the people in this valley live in poverty after i cut and sar has taken her purchases home she prepares the baby grow strong she remembers when she had her first child shortly after she married eighteen and moved in with her husband. and is there with back then i hoped we'd be happy you know. all of the when you're young that's how you think you know which itself i wanted to study more. that didn't happen if i had my elder daughter. the next morning she travels to bascom the nearest town the trip takes more than
two hours she wants to buy winter clothes for her baby at the bazaar. and. the bazaar is the only place far and wide where people from the surrounding villages can buy fabric clothing and shoes she has to do that alone now for the whole family she compares prices things have to be cheap and she can carry heavy loads now. that ship them. my husband and i used to come here in our car and buy food and other things. now it's harder with the baby so. we come here by bus as. i have to carry the food to the bus which is full of people. i can't get there too late the bus doesn't white. alfalfa wish marshaled new york hello to you. in the end she finds what she was
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little bit of the gave them i had serious problems on a personal level and i was unable to live there wasn't going to. want to know their story and so migrants terrified and reliable information for margaret's. i current star krista beck is a kirkus woman who has five children and is married but her husband works in russia moved my husband lives there it's hot but what can i do that's life is the migrants are those interested a village in southern kyrgyzstan. in the winter the sun is hidden behind the mountains for months as if it couldn't stand the inhabitants poverty. poverty forces hundreds of thousands of men to work
abroad. women have to raise their children on their own and care for the elderly as well. the kush to back families farmyard. twelve year old helps with a house keeping the other has to be heated flour for bread dough costs money which i can and sounds husband sends he works thousands of kilometers away in russia and you don't know if my husband came back who'd help us who'd give us money we have to finish renovation the house my son still has to study. husband has left
with our eldest daughter in the katter in book for eight years i couldn't solve also work there for a time the fact that she has to take care of the family on her own in the village has made her more self-reliant. how can this be good nothing about it is good and if only everything were normal if we lived together. the children are already grown. little knew how many years have they spent without their father. because they only talk on the phone with him they miss him so. that's especially true in the long winter months temperatures can fall to ten below zero celsius wood is used for heating. delayed bag her eldest son doesn't talk much. the only thing i envy is some families their children are to shy as mine
if you tell them to dance they dance. all the time. oh thirty five she's married but a single mother she lives with the pressure of having to do the right thing as a parent and the children often ask after their father grassroot they don't ask just now and then but every day my boy is already big one the girls aren't yet but they all asked when's papa coming you use or not he should come back and live here the children think we'd be able to live without money. who . oppose of your own business those opposed will be around. but i can't and sar is a realist is there no he came back to us who'd help us then. i don't think we'd starve if he came. in the gulf but it's hard to live here there's no
work the market is far away. we have nothing to sell other than that. rather than. the oven has to be really hard before they can bake their bread and that takes time . hard to tell when it's hot enough every day she tries to see her husband on the internet often in vain. you know in connection with. the connection is weak because they're surrounded by mountains. or. when she can get a video connection i can in sa shows her husband the children as well. her husband works as a caretaker in russia he earns much more than he can encourage a star like him many relatives and neighbors have moved to russia.
yet look doesn't. back inside her sixty four year old mother in law is pursuing her favorite activity embroidery that helps earn a little extra money she can't live on her pension alone and she can't help with the housekeeping as much as she used to her legs hurt she hopes as some and granddaughter will return soon. they won't stay in russia they'll come back and take care of me. she's less worried about money than that all of her relatives will leave the village and she'll be here alone. there through. our little ball oh dear. a little. closely real war. seven months old i be cute needs changing. this is the
palace she has to sleep now. so let's get ready. to have many families in the village have five or more children there a way of providing for their old age the baby a swaddled in cloth according to age old tradition and a small wooden drainage pipe keeps a dry nappies are too expensive. they eat all together they make everything themselves bread vegetable hard part stewed fruit tea. without a father in this patriarchal islamic influences citing the fifteen year old
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