26efth. 17 . Yes. What do you come to mean by yes, sir. They got. Security assistan, three e amigos. As well. They cudid. If i said that number was my understanding of ambassador sondlands use of around 270 million. That term thed three people in would that probably be accurate . Charge of ukraine policy during the summer was he, gordon sound about right . Sondland and ambassador volker did they get aid in fy 18 . And secretary perry. When did you come to learn yes, sir. Including security about mr. T giulianis role and assistance . Including security what do you consider his role to assistance. We already talked about the have been . Er i first heard about former javelins and antitank missiles mayor jewgiulianis interest in that they were not able to purchase in previous ukraine in january of this year. Administrations. Have they gotten Security Assistance in fy 19 . Yes, sir. Prior to the 400 million or that was a different phase than what happened during the so that were discussing
That is correct. You explained earlier that your job in the white house was to coordinate United States and Ukraine Policy, is that right . It is to coordinate United States policy visavis ukraine, correct. You testified in the spring of this year that these officials, these ukrainian officials began asking you, quote, advice on how to respond to mr. Giulianis advances, end quote. Is that correct . That is correct. What do you understand they meant by mr. Giulianis advances . I understood that to mean both his public commentary, so publicly calling for investigations into 2016, burisma, and hunter biden, as well as his direct overtours to the government of ukraine directly and through proxies. Thats what i understood. As you understand it, under Whose Authority do you think mr. Giuliani was acting under . Congresswoman, i dont know. Did the ukrainian officials you were speaking to tell you that they were being asked to im sorry, can you say that again, maam . Do you think the ukrainian
another factor? in my mind, yes, but i didn t think about it more than that. so your concerns regarding this phone call were not legal, they were based on moral, ethical and policy differences. let me ask you, then, what you thought was wrong, you said this was wrong. not illegal, but wrong. as i stated previous sitting here a couple days ago, there are dozens of corrupt nations in the world, hundreds of corrupt government officials. exactly one time did a vice president go to a nation and demand the specific firing of one individual and withhold a billion dollars. he was paying his son. i ask you, was that wrong?
yes. but it wasn t the basis of lodging a criminal complaint or anything like that. your concerns regarding this phone call were not legal, they were based on moral, ethical and policy differences. he said this was wrong, not illegal but wrong. there are dozens of corrupt nations in the world, hundreds of corrupt government officials, exactly one time, did the vice president go to the nation and demanded the specific firing of one individual, and to give a six hour time limit and withhold or threaten to withhold a billion dollars in aid? it was the individual who was investigating the company that was paying his son. so i will ask you, was that also wrong? that s not i don t have any firsthand knowledge of that.
implications? yes, but it wasn t the basis of, i don t know, lodging a criminal complaint or anything like that. then you go on to talk about policy concerns and ethical judgments. so your concerns were not legal, they were based on moral, ethical, and policy differences. let me ask you and what you thought were wrong, to use your words, not illegal but wrong. as i ve stated previously sitting here a couple of days ago, there are dozens of corrupt nations in the world, hundreds of corrupt government officials. exactly one time did a vice president go to a nation and demand the specific firing of one individual and give a six-hour time limit and withhold or threaten to withhold a billion dollars of aid if not. it was the one individual who was investigating a company that was paying his son. so i ll ask you, was that also wrong? that is not what i understand. i frankly don t have any firsthand knowledge of that.