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Impeachment podcast. it would be a terrible idea for him. the subpoenas that were sent out show that the federal government is looking at charges of potential money laundering and conspiracy to defraud the united states and obstruction of justice. i think ultimately if and when he is charged, it will be for the low-hanging fruit of violations of the foreign agent registration act and campaign finance crimes like his associates lev and igor who i think will ultimately testify against him. and the...

Scrutiny has continued to do the things that got him in trouble in the first place. where have you seen that kind of behavior before and is it common in these investigations or these cases? >> yeah, it is common. rudy giuliani is definitely flying too close to the sun here. i mean, youve got a situation where lev and igor have convinced him that there are serious conspiracies going on and are ready to flip on him. it shouldnt be a surprise. because, remember, lev and igor seem to be a flight ris...

Very long time. this is one of the most professional scholarly russia analysts there is. by the way, shes described often in the u.s. news cycle as a kremlin hawk. not exactly. very nuanced in her appraisal. her biography, which is one of the more insightful biographies of vladimir putin, very cleverly its almost a post-modern analysis. she takes different archetypes of who putin and is studies them. she takes them in isolation and then creates a composite. not just the kgb case officer but the ...

Conspiracy, its nonsense. its nonsense on stilts. ive known fiona hill for several years. ive followed her work for a very long time. this is one of the most professional scholarly russia analysts there is. by the way, shes described often in the u.s. news cycle as a kremlin hawk. not exactly. very nuanced in her appraisal. her biography, which is one of the more insightful biographies of vladimir putin, very cleverly its almost a post-modern analysis. she takes different ark types of who putin ...

Are off. you could go as high as firsthand information that levs and l igor have. it could also be a fizzle. they could be terrible witnesses, they could not be in fact truly cooperating. we just dont know yet. >> but im not asking how an investigation would end. im justig asking what an investigation could encompass. if it encompasses the decided associates of giuliani and we know iasdny is investigating ru, i guess what im asking is, as with the michael cohen case, where donald trump was an un...

Register. so questions could be asked about that. >> let me follow up with you. the southern district of new york has indicted lev parnas and his sidekick. >> igor. >> and they were direct reports to rudy giuliani. they werent indicted for their conduct in ukraine but thats also under scrutiny. the attorneyer for lev parnas h availed him to congress. so everything he knows but the ukraine operation will also be known by congressional investigators. where might -- and i asked you this last week b...