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Their premises. they have an enormous liability on their institutions and personally for general negligence. that is a good sign. people in the white house started to talk about liability and a remarkably similar what to what he described that evening. so this has been out there, david, youre just exposing another instance of it potentially. >> there is a lot of access. and remember she has given $50,000 to various trump political organizations. so that probably gets her in, and she can take qui...

>> i hear her trying to lift up my grandmother in the west bank. >> real fissures in the democratic party with implication for 2020. my guests this morning, sherrod brown of ohio and liz cheney, chair of the house republican conference. plus, waiting for biden. er have sherrod brown not running. bloomberg, not running. both likely out because they are expecting joe biden to get in. >> i havent made the final decision. dont be surprised. >> what is biden waiting for? and pardon me? did michae...

That, as this missile facility, i should say its a satellite launched facility, theyve never launched an icbm from there. they have tested missiles from there. after he plenled to shut it down, now hes opened it back up with rapid work happening in the last few days. these photographs showing that the facility could be ready for a launch or test at any moment and president trump saying that would be very disappointing to him, an indication that tensions could be creeping back up after that abrup...

Discussing his seeking some sort of pardon. that wasnt behind closed doors. >> i would tell you what i believe. if the president were to offer him a pardon now, he would not accept it. period. >> why do you think so? >> because he said so in a very convincing way. >> he is going to jail now. he starts in may, a three-year prison sentence in a federal penitentiary in upstate new york. did michael cohen address the issue of a pardon when he testified before your committee? you dont have to tell us...

Committee. this as nbc news confirms a "wall street journal" report that cohens own lawyer approached president trumps attorneys about a pardon just after the fbi raided his properties. back with me, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian, and joining me, msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. ken, what do you know about what went down in the days after michael cohens home and offices were raided? >> i think the important thing here is there were discussions about...

Implication that donald trump was putting michael cohen? extra dangers? >> i have been to otisville, ive been there screening a film with the tribeca institute. when i look at these guys and i look at the opportunities that the michael cohens have had, that the paul manaforts have had in their lives to better themselves, the opportunity theyve had to develop positive outcomes on a personal level for themselves and yet choose an egregiously immoral path, i dont think that i look at them with the ...

>> i was curious about that, how much long can abbe lowell stay jierd kushners lawyer? it seemed to imply kushner was lying to him. >> thats one implication. he also talked to other people in the white house as part of his own investigation and its his position they all represented to him there was nothing abnormal here. its a huge question mark. i hope the outoversight committee can get to the bottom of it. >> i feel like there are a lot of euphemisms question marks in this case. maybe another ...

Man who knows every deal, has been granted limited immunity by federal prosecutors in dealing with the hush money payments and the probe they had in the case against michael cohen as well as the involvement of ami in all of this. im curious, if he comes before a house investigative committee, are all bets off? could they ask him any questions? >> potentially. the question is what is the extent of the immunity. its going to have an implication on his right to invoke his fifth amendment right. the...

Russian guy who was linked to intelligence and among other things delivering messages back and forth between trumps campaign chairman and a putin linked russian oligarch tied to campaigns in other countries to affect other elections and not to mention suspected gigantic russian money laundering plots. that guy is maybe not as attractive a target for a presidential pardon. not at least in this environment with these dangling threads out there in erm thterms of the presidents implication in the sc...

Post" reported that the four separate countries had been caught chattering about how he was susceptible to manipulation because of the things sam laid out, his inexperience, business ties, bad debt. and right now opposite the michael cohen hearings just of this week where was he? he was visiting mbs, the ruler of saudi arabia, the modernizer who the administration has bent over backwards to defend despite his implication in the murder of jamal khashoggi. so everythings bad about this and the pre...